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Raccoon
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In my young age I was stupid and naive. I was fascinated by video games, I loved playing video games, and I was dreaming about making video games - which everyone would play and enjoy admiring me as their developer.
In my young age I was stupid and naive. But I have grown, become more mature. I'm still stupid and naive overall... but less. (Because that's how things are, that's what becoming more mature actually is - you're getting less stupid and less naive over the passing years getting new life experiences.) I no longer dream of >>making<< video games, of sitting hunched in front of huge-ass PC coding stuff.
These people don't make games. They don't! It's the corporate suits that do! They create games with the power of their decisions. It's them who shape the games into the products they finally are - great, bad, good, poor, F2P, always-online, singleplayer, multiplayer, Dark Souls, etc... Developers, artists, coders are just plain workers, servants, following the orders of their leader. Making things their employers demands. They have no power, no influence over the direction the project moves in.
You think people are keen to employ solutions like always-online in their games, like Dracula morphing into a fucking rat. Of course no! They have to, though. They're forced to. By the power of decision. By the power of sad suit-wearing people who have never played any proper game in their lives, looking only at charts and current "industry trends".
Therefore in my narcissistic dreams of taking over the world I no longer dream of becoming the world's #1 games' developer. I dream of becoming world's #1 CEO, world's #1 corporate suit, world's #1 project manager. I want to have the power to shape the final product, I want to choose a direction. Not just follow someone else's order, someone else's leadership.
What about Kickstarter guys you say - game developers are creating the games they want. They haven't become executives. Eh? No! They have become their own employers, they have become the executives, the "corporate suits", the marketers and project managers. From now on they're making business. They have influence, total control. Games are their own.
Want to really make games? Become corporate suit, not a programmer. Be a pimp, not a prostitute!
/rant mode off
Sorry if I offended someone. Had to vent off.
"Anatidaephobia is the fear that somewhere in the world there is a duck watching you."
Fuck Polish government for oppressing women!
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tonizito
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| Posted: Fri, 11th Apr 2014 21:44 Post subject: Re: Become corporate suit; not game developer |
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| Raccoon wrote: | | Want to really make games? Become corporate suit, not a programmer. Be pimp, not a prostitute! |
Fixed 
Could you explain what you find wrong about kickstarter vs traditional a bit better though?
| boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
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| Posted: Fri, 11th Apr 2014 21:58 Post subject: |
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On a serious note, the main reason I became interested in programming as a kid were video games. But over the years, I figured out it's almost an impossible mission to produce a video game to remember (and not burn out in the process), due to adapting to "market conditions" (i.e. what fourteen year olds like at the moment) and executives' hunger for bonuses (indie scene was nonexistent 10 years ago when I was considering such a career, and releasing a game with simple graphics, e.g. retro pixelized, was business suicide).
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LMLM
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I'd rather have the developers themselves doing the business side rather than the non-gaming suits. There's room for both. Also if you want to make a game you can do it as a hobby and just give it away. Lots of people do that on PC as the modding scene here is huge.
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Morphineus
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| Royalgamer06 wrote: | | That's why I am probably gonna study Indie Game Development (or Software Engineering) |
I usually advice people away from it. Most don't even know what it is in reality or wouldn't find a job in the industry following that road. If you haven't done something into the field out of your own, than most likely you won't make it.
Hell my fiancee is even a drop out from that field. Started university with game design program. After 6 months she already got bored and was surprised it was nothing like she thought it was going to be. Her classmates... 1 that works in the industry and most aren't in IT anymore.
I used to mod, map/level design and eventho I had fun, I knew pretty soon it wasn't something I'd enjoy doing as a job/study. So try something like that first, instead of going 'mm maybe that could be cool' 
A career is serious bizniz so do everything to make sure you'd enjoy it and could go for it
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ixigia
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| Posted: Sat, 12th Apr 2014 01:09 Post subject: |
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This sounds familiar..  
I spent almost one year trying to become a glorious programmer in my young age, but after some grim predictions about my future here, I decided to become a successful corporate suit instead.
"Management Engineering is the shit", they said. Alright alright alright, I answered, sounds fine to me. I did that, finished the studies in order to become the ultimate CEO, a badass manager with lots of blonde naked kurwa secretaries around my royal office.
And guess what.
I'm borderline unemployed now 
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tonizito
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| Posted: Sat, 12th Apr 2014 01:20 Post subject: |
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| ixigia wrote: | "Automation is the shit", they said. Alright alright alright, I answered, sounds fine to me. I did that, finished the studies in order to become an automation/robotics engineer, a badass system designer with lots of blonde naked kurwa factory workers and smoking hot HR chicks around my office.
And guess what.
I might be borderline unemployed soon
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Il_Padrino
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Raccoon
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| Posted: Sat, 12th Apr 2014 14:43 Post subject: Re: Become corporate suit; not game developer |
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| tonizito wrote: | | Raccoon wrote: | | Want to really make games? Become corporate suit, not a programmer. Be pimp, not a prostitute! |
Fixed
Could you explain what you find wrong about kickstarter vs traditional a bit better though? |
I don't find anything wrong with Kickstarter.
What I meant is - if you want to run a Kickstarter campaign, you also have to start you're own business. And as such, you have to know how to run your company. You're becoming less of a programmer, and more of a "corporate suit" - your coding skills aren't that much important anymore. Now you have to do the shit every person running a business does - manage costs, hire proper people, develop business strategies, figure out how to conduct marketing... damn! Even finding a nice building for your new office, paying electricity bills, etc... are now your responsibilities.
Therefore what is now more important is how good of a manager you are, not how good of a programmer you are (<- it still matters when working with your team but not that much).
If you want to make games, study the fields that will make you a better manager. Managers make games.
Developers in big corporations don't make games - the shape of the final product is not the effect of want they want.
"Anatidaephobia is the fear that somewhere in the world there is a duck watching you."
Fuck Polish government for oppressing women!
"People are such awful conversationalists that they’ll interrupt you when you’re answering a question they asked."
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Raccoon
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Ixi, leave italy Young good looking italian stallion, with a degree in Management Engineering. There should be plenty of jobs for you in europe?
Something like this? https://jobs3.netmedia1.com/cp/faces/job_summary?job_id=GTS-0647797
Basic knowledge means that it is sufficient to have heard about the stuff. 50% travel means that you'll most likely get a company car and go to customers/potential customers. Just a shot in the blue of course :/
Btw: Fuck the suits. I'll make what you want, but in my spare time I am my own master and will do whatever I want
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you can
* have a fulfilling job and fear of losing it all with no money or financial security
* have stability and money in a soul crushing job
pick one
i had a job i could have easily turned into a lucrative career, but it was killing me creatively
maybe i'll return to it eventually but i really want to give a try to something more creative while i still have some savings
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ixigia
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@ Pumpy & Raccoon: Thanks guys for the kind words <3. I will definitely try to look into something outside my national boundaries in the future (I have some sort of plan  ), but alas, I can't do that right now. Until my father needs help with his job, I can't really think about moving...so I will have to deal with the actual situation for a while.
In the worst case scenario, I'll ask the experienced FireMaster for some tips about becoming a professional "street artist" 
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garus
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You can become a high class prostitute, that's a fulfilling job with stability and money
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garus
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Unfortunatelly, we don't live in a Disney cartoon.
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garus
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Waargh
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As a suit I've skipped the whole thread but welcome to the gamedev world anyway. I'm self-financing a Unity-based first person exploration adventure game - check the digital painting thread for some art. And loving it.
Today I didn't even need to use my AK. I gotta say it was a good day. (c) - Ice Cube
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