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 Posted: Tue, 18th Oct 2005 13:34 Post subject: |
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| sexyjesus wrote: |
XBOX 360 will still bring controller issues . |
wrong again, xbox 360 controllers will work on PC
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| Posted: Tue, 18th Oct 2005 18:36 Post subject: |
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[quote="xxxMrGreenxxx"] | Hfric wrote: |
actually, no it wouldn't! It would still be running in Dx9 whereas the 360 will be using the next version (effectively Dx10 but with a new fancy name) which is being released as part of Vista, so we won't be seeing 'better' graphics on PC until late 2006.
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Actually, DirectX doesn't provide 'better' graphics, it merely makes it easier for Developers to develop with them. There's nothing DX10 will do that couldn't be done without it.
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| Posted: Tue, 18th Oct 2005 20:42 Post subject: |
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If the next gen consoles do support a keyboard and mouse combo, they could seriously put a hurt on the pc's fps's. Theres a few fps's on the console only that I would love to play if I could use a keyboard/mouse. To hell with using a damn stick for aiming!
Vote Pro-Gun.
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| Posted: Tue, 18th Oct 2005 21:17 Post subject: |
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| tech673 wrote: | | If the next gen consoles do support a keyboard and mouse combo, they could seriously put a hurt on the pc's fps's. Theres a few fps's on the console only that I would love to play if I could use a keyboard/mouse. To hell with using a damn stick for aiming! |
I agree and hope the xbox360 will support this, cause it sounds like the PS3 will  |
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| Posted: Tue, 18th Oct 2005 21:48 Post subject: |
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wont a console supporting keyboard and mouse be more like a uhm...... a PC? but only without upgrade possibilities and every moron can use it? lol
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| Posted: Tue, 18th Oct 2005 22:02 Post subject: |
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| woozap wrote: | | wont a console supporting keyboard and mouse be more like a uhm...... a PC? but only without upgrade possibilities and every moron can use it? lol |
Aleast I won't have to upgrade every 6 months trying to keep up and I think xbox live is to good to pass up this time  |
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| Posted: Tue, 18th Oct 2005 23:03 Post subject: |
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most of them may be ports until about 2007 probably which will be when pc performance and graphics surpass ps3s graphics/performance etc
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| Posted: Wed, 19th Oct 2005 01:00 Post subject: |
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thats what i think is gona happen
PS: MS paint will always rule no matter how good the consoles are  lol
| nightlith wrote: | | lol pirates pretending to be pirates...oh god the irony... |
[quoted from Pirates of the Burning Sea thread] |
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| Posted: Wed, 19th Oct 2005 02:10 Post subject: |
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| oxygenuk wrote: | | most of them may be ports until about 2007 probably which will be when pc performance and graphics surpass ps3s graphics/performance etc |
This could be true, but do you guys think that once the game developers start making games for the nexgen consoles they'll make a ton of money and forget about the PC.
What kind of assentive will game developers have, to come back to the PC and just develop games for the PC.
Lets face it Consoles rule the market now and in the future, I see this growing. So why come back to the PC? |
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| Posted: Fri, 21st Oct 2005 21:39 Post subject: |
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| cybersurfer wrote: | | oxygenuk wrote: | | most of them may be ports until about 2007 probably which will be when pc performance and graphics surpass ps3s graphics/performance etc |
This could be true, but do you guys think that once the game developers start making games for the nexgen consoles they'll make a ton of money and forget about the PC.
What kind of assentive will game developers have, to come back to the PC and just develop games for the PC.
Lets face it Consoles rule the market now and in the future, I see this growing. So why come back to the PC? |
because you need a bigger budget to start a game for the console. for the PC it's so much easier, i can start programming a game with C++ today in my basement.
plus im not sure about how games are distributed for the next gen consoles, will people be able to code their own games using w/e software next gen uses and make their own CDs and play it on the console? or do they have to go through microsoft?
| nightlith wrote: | | lol pirates pretending to be pirates...oh god the irony... |
[quoted from Pirates of the Burning Sea thread] |
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| Posted: Thu, 29th Dec 2005 08:42 Post subject: |
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And you guys thought I was crazy by saying that the Xbox360 was going to hurt PC games....let alone the gameing industry.
Bow be for me Muh ha haaaaa
Xbox 360 Launch Marking Games Industry Downturn?
Arstechnica has recently written an article putting forth the idea the the launch of the Xbox 360 marks a downturn for the gaming industry. Arstechnica cites a slow launch in Japan, hectic launch in the US and shortages of consoles for the gaming industries recent decline.
“Gaming stalwarts like EA and Activation are warning that their profits will be less than hoped for when all is said and done for this quarter, putting a sad face on many investors. This has many folks scratching their heads; isn't this the hot time for gaming?”…” It looks as though this year's scapegoat may be the Xbox 360 launch, but there are signs that 2006 could continue this trend. “
So, is the Xbox 360 to blame for the collapse of the games industry, world hunger, and global warming? I think not, but hey, lets hear what you have to say!
FULL STORY
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20051226-5844.html
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| Posted: Thu, 29th Dec 2005 09:26 Post subject: |
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well i dont think thats entirely true since i'm pretty sure games like mario kart DS and animal crossing DS have proved huge sellers for some companies. it's a bold statement and you have to reflect on what EA released last year in november. (i cba looking it up but no doubt it was a few high profile games).
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| Posted: Fri, 30th Dec 2005 18:14 Post subject: |
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played Quake 4 on xbox360 with Samsung 21 tft lately & there was constant frame drop in explosion areas below 25fps wich is unplayable & textures looked a bit blocky,even my pc with 6800 everything on high+aa on 1280/ can do average in this game 35-40fps,so i say xbox360 is overhyped shit wich is waste of money,waiting for ps3....
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| Posted: Fri, 30th Dec 2005 18:50 Post subject: |
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| ELIZ wrote: | | played Quake 4 on xbox360 with Samsung 21 tft lately & there was constant frame drop in explosion areas below 25fps wich is unplayable & textures looked a bit blocky,even my pc with 6800 everything on high+aa on 1280/ can do average in this game 35-40fps,so i say xbox360 is overhyped shit wich is waste of money,waiting for ps3.... |
Quake 4 on X360 is just a bad, rushed port. You can't blame the Xbox in this case...
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| Posted: Fri, 30th Dec 2005 22:32 Post subject: |
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| Hero98 wrote: | | ELIZ wrote: | | played Quake 4 on xbox360 with Samsung 21 tft lately & there was constant frame drop in explosion areas below 25fps wich is unplayable & textures looked a bit blocky,even my pc with 6800 everything on high+aa on 1280/ can do average in this game 35-40fps,so i say xbox360 is overhyped shit wich is waste of money,waiting for ps3.... |
Quake 4 on X360 is just a bad, rushed port. You can't blame the Xbox in this case... |
Ya you can't call the whole system crap because of Quakes bad developers...please your ignorence scares me. |
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| Posted: Sat, 31st Dec 2005 00:15 Post subject: |
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only gams i ever felt immersed in was final fantasy X and tomb raider. Possibly Farenheit but it seemd a little too mellow dramatic.
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| Posted: Sat, 31st Dec 2005 00:39 Post subject: |
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| cybersurfer wrote: | | Hero98 wrote: | | ELIZ wrote: | | played Quake 4 on xbox360 with Samsung 21 tft lately & there was constant frame drop in explosion areas below 25fps wich is unplayable & textures looked a bit blocky,even my pc with 6800 everything on high+aa on 1280/ can do average in this game 35-40fps,so i say xbox360 is overhyped shit wich is waste of money,waiting for ps3.... |
Quake 4 on X360 is just a bad, rushed port. You can't blame the Xbox in this case... |
Ya you can't call the whole system crap because of Quakes bad developers...please your ignorence scares me. |
ok what about CoD2 without any AA[not to mention that playing fps with joypad is as lame as driving real car with keyboard,well some may like it ] & also there was some fantasy game don't remember the name it also had pretty low fps in shiny areas,game looked cool but i just felt those slowdowns
that makes 3 games already,so if someone says bad port ok,but 3 games damn  i'll stay away,there is not even a single game on new box that had something revolutionary comparing to those videos for ps3, remember that video from MotoStorm
http://media.ps3.ign.com/media/748/748488/imgs_1.htm l, when bike jumping from roof of other buggy or something & there was mud everywhere ?,i was like wow loox ubercool,but after they said that it wasn't pre-rendered my jaw droped below sea level,even if ps3 will come out 6 month later i'll wait,just let's hope it wasn't all fake
p.s. if x360 could do like that.......?.....
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| Posted: Sat, 31st Dec 2005 02:26 Post subject: |
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| ELIZ wrote: | | cybersurfer wrote: | | Hero98 wrote: |
Quake 4 on X360 is just a bad, rushed port. You can't blame the Xbox in this case... |
Ya you can't call the whole system crap because of Quakes bad developers...please your ignorence scares me. |
ok what about CoD2 without any AA[not to mention that playing fps with joypad is as lame as driving real car with keyboard,well some may like it ] |
Thats where your truly wrong I've been a PC gamer for years and I can honestly say COD2's controls are as good as the PC. It amazed me how good the controls are for that game. PD0 not so much but its ok.
You shouldn't comment on things you obviously haven't played. |
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| Posted: Sat, 31st Dec 2005 05:44 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Sat, 31st Dec 2005 20:20 Post subject: |
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Developing games for consoles is just cheaper. Period. Across the board. Developers don't have to worry about making graphics scale back to work with old video cards, make gameplay performance work on dial-up connections with little lag. They don't have to worry about whether your PC has 512mb of RAM or 4 gigs. Simply put, with consoles developers don't have to cater to the lowest common denominator, because what they are developing for is all THE SAME.
Maybe startup costs are more expensive on consoles (I don't even think THAT is a fact, but whatever), but final development costs are much less. You don't have to worry about integrating anti-cheat software, developing multiple multiplayer lobbies (GameSpy, Xfire, et. al).
Everything is uniform and consistent. The consoles are all equal, there's no random element, less tech support, less bug testing across zillions of PC configurations.
It's just cheaper and easier.
So, the answer to this question is fairly simple. Yes, the BIG game companies would be stupid to develop for PC. It's easier and cheaper to port from console. The little guys, where the TRUE innovation in games comes from will ALWAYS be on PC. There's no licensing fee to Sony or Microsoft to program in C++, so real innovation will always be there. But the big boys will be porting and that is just how it will be.
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| Posted: Sat, 31st Dec 2005 21:17 Post subject: |
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| diabolikul wrote: | Developing games for consoles is just cheaper. Period. Across the board. Developers don't have to worry about making graphics scale back to work with old video cards, make gameplay performance work on dial-up connections with little lag. They don't have to worry about whether your PC has 512mb of RAM or 4 gigs. Simply put, with consoles developers don't have to cater to the lowest common denominator, because what they are developing for is all THE SAME.
Maybe startup costs are more expensive on consoles (I don't even think THAT is a fact, but whatever), but final development costs are much less. You don't have to worry about integrating anti-cheat software, developing multiple multiplayer lobbies (GameSpy, Xfire, et. al).
Everything is uniform and consistent. The consoles are all equal, there's no random element, less tech support, less bug testing across zillions of PC configurations.
It's just cheaper and easier.
So, the answer to this question is fairly simple. Yes, the BIG game companies would be stupid to develop for PC. It's easier and cheaper to port from console. The little guys, where the TRUE innovation in games comes from will ALWAYS be on PC. There's no licensing fee to Sony or Microsoft to program in C++, so real innovation will always be there. But the big boys will be porting and that is just how it will be. |
first post well put,nogh said 
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| Posted: Sat, 31st Dec 2005 22:39 Post subject: |
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| ELIZ wrote: | | cybersurfer wrote: | | ELIZ wrote: |
ok what about CoD2 without any AA[not to mention that playing fps with joypad is as lame as driving real car with keyboard,well some may like it ] |
Thats where your truly wrong I've been a PC gamer for years and I can honestly say COD2's controls are as good as the PC. It amazed me how good the controls are for that game. PD0 not so much but its ok.
You shouldn't comment on things you obviously haven't played. |
i played it yersterday by my friend,if u wan't proof i can make a photo with digicam & send it to u lol,
many ppl will agree with me that playing fps with joypad/controller suxx,it just doesn't feel right & reaction with mouse+keyb much faster
i expressed my opinion,but if u got problem with that well thats your problem
Have a nice day
p.s.CoD2 still look ugly without AA  |
There is AA in COD2 thats how cluesless you are. The funnything i did notice is on my SD TV it looks like it has less jaggies than the LCD screen at Furtureshop...which is weird. Another point the controls are very close to PC with COD2...liquid smooth. I'm very impressed as a long time PC gamer |
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| Posted: Sat, 31st Dec 2005 22:57 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Sat, 31st Dec 2005 23:15 Post subject: |
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Heya, I absolutly have to agree with diabolikul. My thoughts exactly. However, I don't think it should concirn anyone here whether PC gets ported to console or vise versa, seeing as the majority here does not buy their games. Realistically, games being ported from console to PC is just another excuse for pirates to pirate games, that's why you get the "Oh, this is total console POS, i'm not buying this".
There are some good games meant specifically for PC, like HL2 for example, it wasn't amazing, but it was a good title. I think games being developed for consoles are better because developers don't have to worry about different specs, as already pointed out. Thefore they have more time to focus on the gaming. In general console gaming is superior to the PC, with the exception of maybe first person shooters, but then again you have HALO and HALO 2 which play great on the consoles. I think PC games are truly meant to target gametypes like rts and turn based strategy, and of course FPSs. I have no problems playing console ports, ie. I-NINJA , Onimusha 3 and Dynasty Warriors 4 Hyper. In closing, things are good the way they are right now, if we see more console ports that will only be a bonus.
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| Posted: Sun, 1st Jan 2006 00:38 Post subject: |
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| TheBugulous wrote: | | Well 360 & PS3 between them & existing older consoles are bound to squeeze the PC game market ever smaller. Thankfully there is almost no point to continually investing time & money in upgrading a gamez PC, when the majority of titles will be co-developed for console. Should save us around £1000/year |
I agree 100%...that’s why I have converted to the console. At least most games will run smooth because they know how to use the hardware better....and not worry about 200 different system configurations.
The only thing I'll miss is the more accurate controls and the up and in your face action. But if the controls are as good as COd2 than I'll be happy.
Xbox live is a whole other online experence...I love it
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| Posted: Sun, 1st Jan 2006 01:11 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Mon, 2nd Jan 2006 17:05 Post subject: |
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X360 is very goog console and games for it are great but I think PlayStation 3 will be better so I'll buy it.I think games for PlayStation 3 will be better, too (graphics, physics...).
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| Posted: Mon, 2nd Jan 2006 17:25 Post subject: |
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| nellebgd wrote: | | X360 is very goog console and games for it are great but I think PlayStation 3 will be better so I'll buy it.I think games for PlayStation 3 will be better, too (graphics, physics...). |
actually hideo kojima said there's pretty much nothing seperating the two. I think i'll beleive that guy instead of forum speculation from people who a) dont develop and b) havent had time working with the ps3 hardware. Microsoft have a whole heap of jap devs signed to develop for the x360. And one final thing you do realise that games like COD2 were developed on alpha kits which contained off the shelf hardware. Dont expect any games to use full features of the GPU for a few more release cycles. Most companies have only had their final dev kits for a few months now, most games you saw previewed started development 6months ago at least. In fact atm no dev house is using the 3 cores optimally i remember reading quite an in depth technical review from a certain developer. Developing for multi threaded multi cored cpu's is nothing like what we've prevoiusly been dealing with. The devs have to school themselves first.
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