Time for an upgrade?
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xxax
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PostPosted: Thu, 30th Jan 2014 20:32    Post subject: Time for an upgrade?
Anyway its been two years and i always get this need to upgrade after two years...

My current setup is this
Asus P8p67 PRO
8 GB ram
i5 2500k
Gigabyte 570GTX

I was thinking about a new GPU (probably a 7 series), but should i be looking at a new CPU or is the 2500k still decent?
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rgb#000
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PostPosted: Thu, 30th Jan 2014 20:38    Post subject: Re: Time for an upgrade?
xxax wrote:
Anyway its been two years and i always get this need to upgrade after two years...

My current setup is this
Asus P8p67 PRO
8 GB ram
i5 2500k
Gigabyte 570GTX

I was thinking about a new GPU (probably a 7 series), but should i be looking at a new CPU or is the 2500k still decent?

if you overclock 2500K to at least 4.5Ghz and get a new gpu, something like gtx780 you'll be able to max everything out for a long time to come Wink

you DON'T need a new cpu.
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KillerCrocker




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PostPosted: Thu, 30th Jan 2014 20:39    Post subject:
I would say You are still very fine. thats still a good pc.
Maybe jsut get ssd if You want one.

570gtx is fine but if You would really want to upgrade then only gfx, because that 2500k is still very fine. I doubt You would get more than 5-10% performance at MOST withe very expensive cpu.


btw. what clock do You run that 25k ? Always can get good cooling and do 4,5-5ghz and then just make upgrade completly pointless.


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xxax
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PostPosted: Thu, 30th Jan 2014 20:47    Post subject:
CPUz shows around 4,3 mhz.

I can't remember if i OC'd it, i was planning to. Looks like i did some light work on it.

EDIT: I do have a 90 gb SSD
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PostPosted: Thu, 30th Jan 2014 20:51    Post subject:
That's exactly the same system that I have (same motherboard also), and I agree, the GPU should be your #1 priority as long as you overclock the trusty 2500k. There haven't been too many games able to put the 570GTX to shame so far, assuming that you avoid them uber details, expensive AA methods and super-high resolutions, but with the "nextgen" era things will inevitably change. I can already see tons of bad ports and unoptimized software ahead of us, and you (we) will definitely need more horsepower even at 1080p Razz

I'll have to wait for the upgrade so I'll just play my future games at 30fps and become a peasant again.
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PostPosted: Thu, 30th Jan 2014 20:56    Post subject:
ixigia wrote:
That's exactly the same system that I have (same motherboard also), and I agree, the GPU should be your #1 priority as long as you overclock the trusty 2500k. There haven't been too many games able to put the 570GTX to shame so far, assuming that you avoid them uber details, expensive AA methods and super-high resolutions, but with the "nextgen" era things will inevitably change. I can already see tons of bad ports and unoptimized software ahead of us, and you (we) will definitely need more horsepower even at 1080p Razz

I'll have to wait for the upgrade so I'll just play my future games at 30fps and become a peasant again.


I'm quite pleased with the 570 myself, but as you say unoptimized games loom on the horizon Very Happy

I was thinking of waiting a bit, maybe for the 8-series, but a friend of mine said he get components quite cheap, so i'm waiting on his price list. If its good i'll upgrade, if not i may wait a bit.
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PostPosted: Thu, 30th Jan 2014 21:04    Post subject:
its to early to upgrade. Wait for "next gen" games


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rgb#000
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PostPosted: Thu, 30th Jan 2014 21:13    Post subject:
KillerCrocker wrote:
its to early to upgrade. Wait for "next gen" games

Rolling Eyes

what a stupid advice. what "next gen" are you waiting for exactly? PC doesn't have "next gen", we have steady increase in hardware requirements, this is not consoles where you jump from one set in stone hardware to the next.

games in 6 or 12 months won't magically require 5x more powerful GPUs and we won't magically have 5x more powerful GPUs. i really wonder what are you waiting for, i guess you know something we don't?
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PostPosted: Thu, 30th Jan 2014 21:17    Post subject:
id wait for nvidia's 8 series at least.
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PostPosted: Thu, 30th Jan 2014 21:20    Post subject:
readonly wrote:
id wait for nvidia's 8 series at least.

yeah and then wait for price drop of 8 series, oh but look 9 series is around the corner, better wait for that... it's never ending cycle.

i always grin at people who talk about some waiting with pc upgrading, it's so stupid.

if you can and want to upgrade just do it right now, today, and you'll be most happy. living in a constant waiting state is shitty.
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PostPosted: Thu, 30th Jan 2014 21:23    Post subject:
rgb#000 wrote:
readonly wrote:
id wait for nvidia's 8 series at least.

yeah and then wait for price drop of 8 series, oh but look 9 series is around the corner, better wait for that... it's never ending cycle.

i always grin at people who talk about some waiting with pc upgrading, it's so stupid.

if you can and want to upgrade just do it right now, today, and you'll be most happy. living in a constant waiting state is shitty.


Yep exactly that. I remember when i was buying this setup and thinking "should i wait for 6 series" Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu, 30th Jan 2014 21:46    Post subject:
rgb#000 wrote:
KillerCrocker wrote:
its to early to upgrade. Wait for "next gen" games

Rolling Eyes

what a stupid advice. what "next gen" are you waiting for exactly? PC doesn't have "next gen", we have steady increase in hardware requirements, this is not consoles where you jump from one set in stone hardware to the next.

games in 6 or 12 months won't magically require 5x more powerful GPUs and we won't magically have 5x more powerful GPUs. i really wonder what are you waiting for, i guess you know something we don't?

pc DOES have next gen. pc games are mostly dictated by console games and now that new consoles are out new consoles only games will be coming out, their ports (which means most pc games) will be very unreasonably demanding..

You act like if You didn't know better... we have pcs and consoles with same specs. Even pcs with better specs wills truggle... jsut as it always was


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PostPosted: Thu, 30th Jan 2014 21:53    Post subject:
Porting and writing games from start are 2 different things. Ports are running shit (gta 4 is a good sample, or star wars force unleashed).

You can buy the best stuff out their, the games wont run better if they are ported.
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PostPosted: Thu, 30th Jan 2014 22:13    Post subject:
Nah. Went from a 2500k to a 4670k, saw no change in performance. As everyone already said, a new video card should be the proper approach.




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PostPosted: Thu, 30th Jan 2014 23:19    Post subject:
8 series is still 6 months away, if not more. I wouldn't wait for that Smile

Lots of people think it's coming soon, but it isn't. If it is, it's going to be disappointing because it'll still be on 28nm and thus very limited in thermals and power.

A 780 or 290 (not the Ti, not the X) is insane bang for buck right now. Those are the ones you should get.
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PostPosted: Fri, 31st Jan 2014 00:47    Post subject: Re: Time for an upgrade?
rgb#000 wrote:
xxax wrote:
Anyway its been two years and i always get this need to upgrade after two years...

My current setup is this
Asus P8p67 PRO
8 GB ram
i5 2500k
Gigabyte 570GTX

I was thinking about a new GPU (probably a 7 series), but should i be looking at a new CPU or is the 2500k still decent?

if you overclock 2500K to at least 4.5Ghz and get a new gpu, something like gtx780 you'll be able to max everything out for a long time to come Wink

you DON'T need a new cpu.


yea, for a long time till gta5/watch dogs/witcher 3 comes Very Happy
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PostPosted: Fri, 31st Jan 2014 10:57    Post subject:
GTA V, Watch Dogs and Witcher 3 for sure runs everything maxed out on a 2500K.
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PostPosted: Fri, 31st Jan 2014 11:03    Post subject:
All those are ports though so the CPU is a bottleneck in that the code isn't optimised for the PC platform (ie. probably doesn't even use 4+ cores and may be slowed down by HT etc).

I don't see a reason to go from an overclocked 2500K (if it's stable at 4.5GHz) to something else, there won't be much of a difference IRL. Powerful GPU and at least 8GB RAM should be enough with a 4.5GHz 2500K for any game.


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PostPosted: Sat, 1st Feb 2014 16:53    Post subject:
Ok so i can get a new GTX 690 for 350 euro. Should i go for it? Or should i rather wait if he gets a 7 series?
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PostPosted: Sat, 1st Feb 2014 17:03    Post subject:
xxax wrote:
Ok so i can get a new GTX 690 for 350 euro. Should i go for it? Or should i rather wait if he gets a 7 series?

For that price. Buy 7 of them.
Where do you see this deal? Must be a mistake.


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PostPosted: Sat, 1st Feb 2014 17:18    Post subject:
Slizza wrote:
xxax wrote:
Ok so i can get a new GTX 690 for 350 euro. Should i go for it? Or should i rather wait if he gets a 7 series?

For that price. Buy 7 of them.
Where do you see this deal? Must be a mistake.


xxax wrote:

I was thinking of waiting a bit, maybe for the 8-series, but a friend of mine said he get components quite cheap, so i'm waiting on his price list. If its good i'll upgrade, if not i may wait a bit.


Is 750w enough for the GTX690?
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PostPosted: Sun, 2nd Feb 2014 03:39    Post subject:
xxax wrote:


Is 750w enough for the GTX690?


More than, (for a single 690) but one should not rely on wattage Wink Rails are what count with a PSU Smile

You can have an 850W branded PSU that only supplies 30a on the 12v rail, for example, then your in trouble, more so if you overclock and need more juice Wink

On the other hand, you can have a 650w PSU supplying 55a on the 12v rail, and that will do just dandy Smile

Never, EVER, skimp on an PSU, as it will cause you more heartache than you can imagine. Always pay a little more for a good PSU, and it will keep you set for a good few years, and then some.
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xxax
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PostPosted: Sun, 2nd Feb 2014 09:25    Post subject:
Sooooo 690 for that price good? I won't have to upgrade in 12 months again?
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