I loled at angry joe when he was talking about pro bono lawyers. Dude made some videos, for shits and gigles he used other people songs (which he "remixed" lol) and made some money of those clips. Now hes talking about "hiring" someone who will work pro bono for the rights to stuff he made money of? how about paying actuall moneyz?
or even better - if you dont have rights to a song how about not fucking using it which would solve all that yt nerd drama?
i already see all that lawyers standing in line to defend him in case for this few bucks he wont earn anymore of those old videos. seriously, i have nothing against him (i`m a long time subscriber) but some claims made in this video are just ridicilous/silly.
also TB had many problems, he had 2 strikes previously + all that shit with sega few months ago, anyway guess he can handle it better.
dunno, obviously i didnt bother to check the differences between the original song and his 'remix', and again - how law defines whats remix and whats a simple rip-off/copy. anyway, to me its kinda pointless from his perspective, i assume he already made money of those vids and no one is taking it back from him, its not like he has to pay some fine suddenly or whatever. why just dont bother and reupload them with that shit cut out, he would probably gain additional views from that vids lol, more than he would get by keeping those old reviews on his channel.
but internet is what it is, and drama has to be made.
I still don't see what there is for them to fight over?
It boils down to they offered a free service, gave you some of the money they made off of it in return...and they no longer want to do it that way..And now people are bitching its 'wrong' because they cant make money how they use to, using someone elses servers,bandwidth,backbone and services they offered.
None of the video people own any part of youtube, the servers, the backbone network, or the services uses to convert and store the videos. They haven't once said you must destroy your copy of the video..merely they don't want to host stuff like that anymore openly and freely on their equipment. In all actuality all they are doing is whining "I cant upload stuff to your servers that gets you heat from other companies? WHAT? why not? its how I make my money!! I don't want to fight the people saying my content is bad...YOU DO IT FOR ME! or better yet just ignore the people and let me continue making a living off your equipment"
Google is a corporation, a business like any other, they have no concern or care for your battles over YOUR video content, why is all these broadcasters that's uploading there keep acting like it is?
You dont want people having a say over what your video contains? or if its allowed to stay on a server? QUIT using someone else's free service to host it...
I wouldn't mind it so much, and even support whiny joe's fight if he'd quit tossing blame at youtube casually during it..and act like what it is, him vs these companies making claim solely. Youtube has nothing to do with it, other than protecting their asses. He cant expect them to pay millions fighting for stuff HE made and uploaded to them. AND he'd quit making 'woe is me' videos going over all his claims one by one..like hes showing how much a victim he is.
And since when is merely talking over a song or clip 'remixing' it? a direct 1 to 1 play of it, with you babbling over it isn't a remix to me
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I still don't see what there is for them to fight over?
It boils down to they offered a free service, gave you some of the money they made off of it in return...and they no longer want to do it that way..And now people are bitching its 'wrong' because they cant make money how they use to, using someone elses servers,bandwidth,backbone and services they offered.
None of the video people own any part of youtube, the servers, the backbone network, or the services uses to convert and store the videos. They haven't once said you must destroy your copy of the video..merely they don't want to host stuff like that anymore openly and freely on their equipment. In all actuality all they are doing is whining "I cant upload stuff to your servers that gets you heat from other companies? WHAT? why not? its how I make my money!! I don't want to fight the people saying my content is bad...YOU DO IT FOR ME! or better yet just ignore the people and let me continue making a living off your equipment"
Google is a corporation, a business like any other, they have no concern or care for your battles over YOUR video content, why is all these broadcasters that's uploading there keep acting like it is?
You dont want people having a say over what your video contains? or if its allowed to stay on a server? QUIT using someone else's free service to host it...
I wouldn't mind it so much, and even support whiny joe's fight if he'd quit tossing blame at youtube casually during it..and act like what it is, him vs these companies making claim solely. Youtube has nothing to do with it, other than protecting their asses. He cant expect them to pay millions fighting for stuff HE made and uploaded to them. AND he'd quit making 'woe is me' videos going over all his claims one by one..like hes showing how much a victim he is.
That's how I feel about all this as well. In the past, I've created content (graphical stuff) for all sorts of sites DESIGNED around that, with people directly buying stuff from my on-site store and the site getting a cut. Youtube uses a completely different model - people don't directly give money to them, no. Youtube gives ad revenue meaning Youtube is their "customer" so if Youtube feel things need to change, that's up to Youtube.
Well, think about it.
If this somehow gets these people to move on, all you'll end up with on youtube will be videos of cats and fail-compilations.
I don't know about you but I do enjoy a lot of these youtubers and wouldn't want to see them fuck off.
I still don't see what there is for them to fight over?
It boils down to they offered a free service, gave you some of the money they made off of it in return...and they no longer want to do it that way..And now people are bitching its 'wrong' because they cant make money how they use to, using someone elses servers,bandwidth,backbone and services they offered.
the issue is a old one.
facebook without user content, worth nothing.
youtube without user content, worth nothing.
users without facebook/youtube, will still have their creativity and work.
so that servers/bandwidth/backbone is useless piece of shit. without users.
to bad there is no central figure for people to listen on.
like hey, for 1 month, dont login to facebook, dont use youtube.
and you will see how deep in shit those leecher sites will be.
until then, if you want to use them just bend over and obey their rules.
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I still don't see what there is for them to fight over?
It boils down to they offered a free service, gave you some of the money they made off of it in return...and they no longer want to do it that way..And now people are bitching its 'wrong' because they cant make money how they use to, using someone elses servers,bandwidth,backbone and services they offered.
None of the video people own any part of youtube, the servers, the backbone network, or the services uses to convert and store the videos. They haven't once said you must destroy your copy of the video..merely they don't want to host stuff like that anymore openly and freely on their equipment. In all actuality all they are doing is whining "I cant upload stuff to your servers that gets you heat from other companies? WHAT? why not? its how I make my money!! I don't want to fight the people saying my content is bad...YOU DO IT FOR ME! or better yet just ignore the people and let me continue making a living off your equipment"
Google is a corporation, a business like any other, they have no concern or care for your battles over YOUR video content, why is all these broadcasters that's uploading there keep acting like it is?
You dont want people having a say over what your video contains? or if its allowed to stay on a server? QUIT using someone else's free service to host it...
I wouldn't mind it so much, and even support whiny joe's fight if he'd quit tossing blame at youtube casually during it..and act like what it is, him vs these companies making claim solely. Youtube has nothing to do with it, other than protecting their asses. He cant expect them to pay millions fighting for stuff HE made and uploaded to them. AND he'd quit making 'woe is me' videos going over all his claims one by one..like hes showing how much a victim he is.
And since when is merely talking over a song or clip 'remixing' it? a direct 1 to 1 play of it, with you babbling over it isn't a remix to me
THIS, very much this.
ragnarus wrote:
I saw things like that in here and in other "woman problems" topics so...... Am I the only one that thinks some authorities needs to be alerted about Saner and him possibly being a rapist and/or kidnapper ?
Saner is not being serious. Unless its the subject of Santa!
Well, think about it.
If this somehow gets these people to move on, all you'll end up with on youtube will be videos of cats and fail-compilations.
I don't know about you but I do enjoy a lot of these youtubers and wouldn't want to see them fuck off.
You will watch them on a different service. That's just about it.
No, it must be youtube or else...
But yeah, come to think of it I've been following spoony and he quit youtube some time ago.
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I switched to Dansgaming on Twitch from YouTube chanels, when I feel like watching someone play a game. And I can support him directly there by subscribing. Twitch has a much better revenue model. The vast majority comes from subscriptions, not add revenue. On YouTube it's the other way round. Even if Twitch introduces some sort of strict content control in the future, which I doubt, they can't take away a streamer's subscription money. And Twitch will only grow.
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Well, think about it.
If this somehow gets these people to move on, all you'll end up with on youtube will be videos of cats and fail-compilations.
I don't know about you but I do enjoy a lot of these youtubers and wouldn't want to see them fuck off.
You will watch them on a different service. That's just about it.
No, it must be youtube or else...
But yeah, come to think of it I've been following spoony and he quite youtube some time ago.
ahahahha good one.
Although I am all on Youtubers side. Its not fair to NOT BE ABLE TO Freely show and review a game You bought.
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Well, think about it.
If this somehow gets these people to move on, all you'll end up with on youtube will be videos of cats and fail-compilations.
Right, because everything else worth watching on youtube is made up of these guys musing to themselves (or screaming to entertain their "bros") while sort of playing a game. I wouldn't miss any of them in the least.
I still don't see what there is for them to fight over?
It boils down to they offered a free service, gave you some of the money they made off of it in return...and they no longer want to do it that way..And now people are bitching its 'wrong' because they cant make money how they use to, using someone elses servers,bandwidth,backbone and services they offered.
None of the video people own any part of youtube, the servers, the backbone network, or the services uses to convert and store the videos. They haven't once said you must destroy your copy of the video..merely they don't want to host stuff like that anymore openly and freely on their equipment. In all actuality all they are doing is whining "I cant upload stuff to your servers that gets you heat from other companies? WHAT? why not? its how I make my money!! I don't want to fight the people saying my content is bad...YOU DO IT FOR ME! or better yet just ignore the people and let me continue making a living off your equipment"
Google is a corporation, a business like any other, they have no concern or care for your battles over YOUR video content, why is all these broadcasters that's uploading there keep acting like it is?
You dont want people having a say over what your video contains? or if its allowed to stay on a server? QUIT using someone else's free service to host it...
I wouldn't mind it so much, and even support whiny joe's fight if he'd quit tossing blame at youtube casually during it..and act like what it is, him vs these companies making claim solely. Youtube has nothing to do with it, other than protecting their asses. He cant expect them to pay millions fighting for stuff HE made and uploaded to them. AND he'd quit making 'woe is me' videos going over all his claims one by one..like hes showing how much a victim he is.
And since when is merely talking over a song or clip 'remixing' it? a direct 1 to 1 play of it, with you babbling over it isn't a remix to me
Say what you want but claiming 100% of the money for an x minutes video because x seconds of your content was used in it is just wrong. And Youtube is far from blameless, because of the retarded dispute/appeal system, if nothing else.
I didn't say the claims was without merit, or that they was wrong for disputing it.
I been pointing out using youtube totally free of charge, for so many years as your main income, from an optional service, with no guarantee on its availability or how they provide provide it, then yelling about it when they change it is the retarded part.
So far its been them just using it, hoping it stays the same. Instead of having a backup plan incase the system changes on a whim, they rather make 10 MORE videos whining about how much hassle they are being caused.
I'm pointing out they have no control over their uploaded videos..and choose to have none because its 'easiest way' Youtube is truly a "lose control in exchange for ease of use". but then fuss they have no control over them.
You cant have your cake and eat it too. They want free, money making, easy to use, hasslefree, quick, manged by others for delivery and hosting, AND total say over what is done to it..pick one or the other. Host it yourself and hire a team, or be subject to the whims of who you give and sign over your rights of your videos to manage. They haven't paid them one cent (MADE money for them yes, paid for hosting no). technically they have no word on what youtube does with it.
I never said what youtube was doing was morally right (if corporation actions over simple videos can even be judged morally), but just within their rights. I think them even having an appeal system is generous of them. They could just go and delete it to avoid the heat claim holders are giving them over it. its 'their' content now, as far as diskspace it takes up is concerned once you uploaded it. I think the only reason they have appeals, is they know if it passes, they can keep making money off it after the uploader does all the fighting for it. Its not for the concern or care of the person that made it.
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Perhaps... but google (and also youtube, as a subsidiary) are trying to pose as the "good guys". They live off of the fact that so many people use their services, and PR hits are a threat to them - if too many people start disliking them, a reasonable competitor could emerge in the mid-term and overtake their market share. It is in their own interest to listen to what people think.
I personally like the fact that in today's modern world, you can earn a living doing various things, including posting popular videos or playing video games. The way copyright works right now is a problem though, and there needs to be a significant overhaul sooner or later. Just my 2 cents.
Well, think about it.
If this somehow gets these people to move on, all you'll end up with on youtube will be videos of cats and fail-compilations.
Right, because everything else worth watching on youtube is made up of these guys musing to themselves (or screaming to entertain their "bros") while sort of playing a game. I wouldn't miss any of them in the least.
Well, think about it.
If this somehow gets these people to move on, all you'll end up with on youtube will be videos of cats and fail-compilations.
Right, because everything else worth watching on youtube is made up of these guys musing to themselves (or screaming to entertain their "bros") while sort of playing a game. I wouldn't miss any of them in the least.
I see, you like cats, a lot. Good for you but I'm sure I can live without videos of cats and people breaking their face on the pavement and winning the darwin awards.
Thats all youtube has? videogame reviews, cat videos, and nut shots?
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