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friketje




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PostPosted: Mon, 10th Oct 2005 17:55    Post subject:
killmestupid wrote:
javlar wrote:
That movie is seriously awesome, i've always loved the Elder Scrolls games and this shows a ton of promise as always with Bethesda. Also i think you're right about this being from the 360 skid, he is mentioning "pushing the stick" where he should have said pressing buttons Razz


This video was meant for employees of various game stores, and since they get more sales from the console market, it'd make sense if the narrator was talking in the console sense.

However, this video is from a PC. The FP view movements are too fluid and aren't consistent as it would be if controlled by the stick. This was also obvious in the cursor movement, and that it was a mouse driven interface in the first place.


The x-box version is faster then the pc, don't forget, it uses a card simalar to the radeon x1800, but one that is somewhat faster then the pc-version. Besides that, new consoles have always been faster then high end pc's when they are released , even with lower specs as was the case with the first x-box. A console renders graphics just more efficient then a pc does. BTW, i've read somewhere that elder scrolls was tested both on pc and x-box, and the x-box 360 was twice as fast. (and did i mention that tv-screens have lower res, well i stop here, said enough)
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Pizda2




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PostPosted: Mon, 10th Oct 2005 18:14    Post subject:
friketje wrote:
killmestupid wrote:
javlar wrote:
That movie is seriously awesome, i've always loved the Elder Scrolls games and this shows a ton of promise as always with Bethesda. Also i think you're right about this being from the 360 skid, he is mentioning "pushing the stick" where he should have said pressing buttons Razz


This video was meant for employees of various game stores, and since they get more sales from the console market, it'd make sense if the narrator was talking in the console sense.

However, this video is from a PC. The FP view movements are too fluid and aren't consistent as it would be if controlled by the stick. This was also obvious in the cursor movement, and that it was a mouse driven interface in the first place.


The x-box version is faster then the pc, don't forget, it uses a card simalar to the radeon x1800, but one that is somewhat faster then the pc-version. Besides that, new consoles have always been faster then high end pc's when they are released , even with lower specs as was the case with the first x-box. A console renders graphics just more efficient then a pc does. BTW, i've read somewhere that elder scrolls was tested both on pc and x-box, and the x-box 360 was twice as fast. (and did i mention that tv-screens have lower res, well i stop here, said enough)


Same old talk. 6 months and PC is better, if not already.
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Epsilon
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PostPosted: Mon, 10th Oct 2005 18:28    Post subject:
PC version for modability, look at the mod community around Morrowind. Nuff said.
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skidrow
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PostPosted: Mon, 10th Oct 2005 18:32    Post subject:
Epsilon wrote:
PC version for modability, look at the mod community around Morrowind. Nuff said.


Very Happy , that's right.

The mods makes the pc version even aliver Very Happy
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friketje




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PostPosted: Mon, 10th Oct 2005 18:33    Post subject:
Pizda2 wrote:
friketje wrote:
killmestupid wrote:


This video was meant for employees of various game stores, and since they get more sales from the console market, it'd make sense if the narrator was talking in the console sense.

However, this video is from a PC. The FP view movements are too fluid and aren't consistent as it would be if controlled by the stick. This was also obvious in the cursor movement, and that it was a mouse driven interface in the first place.


The x-box version is faster then the pc, don't forget, it uses a card simalar to the radeon x1800, but one that is somewhat faster then the pc-version. Besides that, new consoles have always been faster then high end pc's when they are released , even with lower specs as was the case with the first x-box. A console renders graphics just more efficient then a pc does. BTW, i've read somewhere that elder scrolls was tested both on pc and x-box, and the x-box 360 was twice as fast. (and did i mention that tv-screens have lower res, well i stop here, said enough)


Same old talk. 6 months and PC is better, if not already.


Think it will be a year or more, the new consoles hava better specs then before. (the old x-box didn't had a high end gfx card)
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crossmr




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PostPosted: Mon, 10th Oct 2005 23:35    Post subject:
baardhimself wrote:
the only reason for me to get an xbox 360, this game looks breathtaking


Play it on PC.
It will be far superior.

Lets not forget this great article that explains why PS3 and Xbox360 will be ass:
http://www.pointlesswasteoftime.com/games/manifesto.html

look at the part on the AI..which you will be playing against in morrowind.

I was almost going to get a console finally (last console I owned was..uhm.. 8bit nintendo I think) I had a PS1 for awhile enjoyed a couple games on it, but I'm glad I've always stuck with the PC.
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javlar




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PostPosted: Tue, 11th Oct 2005 00:01    Post subject:
Dont be such a fanboy crossmr Wink

PCs are great but so are consoles. Some games are meant to be played on PCs and some on consoles. However Oblivion is defo a PC-game.


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crossmr




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PostPosted: Tue, 11th Oct 2005 00:28    Post subject:
I'm hardly a fanboy. I've just always enjoyed gaming on a PC much more. I don't actually enjoy multiplayer games that much, so playing a console thats going to gimp the AI out of the gate doesn't really excite me.

The only games I've enjoyed on a console have been FFVII, old mario stuff, and Legend of Dragoon for PS1, and phantasy star IV on sega. I guess if a company made a game like that that I just HAD to have I might get a console, but it wouldn't be likely.

The PC is just superior though in the sense that if they do fuck up the game (which happens) they can actually patch it, and mods of course...player made content..etc

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pumbertot.1




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PostPosted: Tue, 11th Oct 2005 00:31    Post subject:
javlar wrote:
Dont be such a fanboy crossmr Wink

PCs are great but so are consoles. Some games are meant to be played on PCs and some on consoles. However Oblivion is defo a PC-game.


agree.gfx aside(and the pc ones will better due to higher res and also the fact we will have gfx cards more powerful by next year when the next gen are out) as the depth of the game will have more complexity on pc, and be bigger.
but consoles are great too in thier own way.
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killmestupid




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PostPosted: Tue, 11th Oct 2005 03:04    Post subject:
crossmr wrote:
baardhimself wrote:
the only reason for me to get an xbox 360, this game looks breathtaking


Play it on PC.
It will be far superior.

Lets not forget this great article that explains why PS3 and Xbox360 will be ass:
http://www.pointlesswasteoftime.com/games/manifesto.html

look at the part on the AI..which you will be playing against in morrowind.

I was almost going to get a console finally (last console I owned was..uhm.. 8bit nintendo I think) I had a PS1 for awhile enjoyed a couple games on it, but I'm glad I've always stuck with the PC.


Had he known how processors even worked he would've realized that this is a dumb as hell argument. The ONLY difference would be is faster execution of code in trade of stricter programming guidelines, which I'm pretty sure Microsoft has rectified because they're pretty much they know what the developers want.

But I suppose he needs to pull arguments out of his ass so he can get some brainless supporters that don't bother studying up on his 'claims'.
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xxxMrGreenxxx




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PostPosted: Tue, 11th Oct 2005 14:54    Post subject:
iirc, xbox360 will be using the new version of directx 10 which is not going to be available on PC's until late 2006 (when the new version of windows is officially released). Also, ATI have incorporated new technology into their custom graphics card which again will not be made available on PC till late 2006. So, if you want to play this game at its best, xbox360 is a must have. Besides which, Kameo looks awesome Laughing
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LastRite




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PostPosted: Tue, 11th Oct 2005 15:37    Post subject:
The pc screenshots on the website look damn fine. . .

If you think theres going to be a substantial graphical difference accross platforms I'm afraid your wrong. As for gameplay I think I rather use a mouse and keyboard, I wouldnt want to water down the experience Razz
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LastRite




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PostPosted: Tue, 11th Oct 2005 15:55    Post subject:
It appears that the xbox 360 a massive helping of bloom Laughing
PC
Xbox 360
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crossmr




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PostPosted: Tue, 11th Oct 2005 16:56    Post subject:
killmestupid wrote:

Had he known how processors even worked he would've realized that this is a dumb as hell argument. The ONLY difference would be is faster execution of code in trade of stricter programming guidelines, which I'm pretty sure Microsoft has rectified because they're pretty much they know what the developers want.

But I suppose he needs to pull arguments out of his ass so he can get some brainless supporters that don't bother studying up on his 'claims'.


Did you even read the article he linked to:
"Gameplay code will get slower and harder to write on the next generation of consoles. Modern CPUs use out-of-order execution, which is there to make crappy code run fast. This was really good for the industry when it happened, although it annoyed many assembly language wizards in Sweden. Xenon and Cell are both in-order chips. What does this mean? It’s cheaper for them to do this. They can drop a lot of cores. One out-of-order core is about four times [did I catch that right? Alice] the size of an in-order core. What does this do to our code? It’s great for grinding on floating point, but for anything else it totally sucks. Rumours from people actually working on these chips – straight-line runs 1/3 to 1/10th the performance at the same clock speed. This sucks. " -Chris Hecker

and if you're wondering who he is:
http://www.cmpevents.com/GD05/a.asp?option=G&V=3&id=90772

Good chances are if this guy says it sucks for making games on, he's right.
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Gizzie




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PostPosted: Tue, 11th Oct 2005 19:13    Post subject:
can just someone who plays with mods..
tell me wich are good and a must have?

because i dont know wich one is good Smile
and i know the websites Smile

just give me names please ! Very Happy

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javlar




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PostPosted: Tue, 11th Oct 2005 20:53    Post subject:
Gizzie wrote:
can just someone who plays with mods..
tell me wich are good and a must have?

because i dont know wich one is good Smile
and i know the websites Smile

just give me names please ! Very Happy


Huh?


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Samiel




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PostPosted: Tue, 11th Oct 2005 21:38    Post subject:
javlar wrote:
Gizzie wrote:
can just someone who plays with mods..
tell me wich are good and a must have?

because i dont know wich one is good Smile
and i know the websites Smile

just give me names please ! Very Happy


Huh?


i think he means mods for Morrowind
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javlar




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Location: Kalmar, Sweden
PostPosted: Wed, 12th Oct 2005 00:06    Post subject:
Ah ok, my bad.

You can find some good mods at:

http://www.khalazzaprod.fr.st/ - Some good graphics-mods
http://www.thelys.org/modlist.php - A whole bunch of mods

And honestly just download em all, they arent very big and then just try em out.

Most of the face-mods are nice, especially Emmas facemods. Then i like these:

ZeroTheHero_Trees_Replacement_0.2
MorrowindAdditions
Blocking_Enhanced_v1_1
Armorer
mw_visual_pack_2.11 - awesome graphics-upgrades, use along with: KP_MW_Visual_Pack_2.2_nature


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Gizzie




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PostPosted: Wed, 12th Oct 2005 00:42    Post subject:
javlar wrote:
Ah ok, my bad.

You can find some good mods at:

http://www.khalazzaprod.fr.st/ - Some good graphics-mods
http://www.thelys.org/modlist.php - A whole bunch of mods

And honestly just download em all, they arent very big and then just try em out.

Most of the face-mods are nice, especially Emmas facemods. Then i like these:

ZeroTheHero_Trees_Replacement_0.2
MorrowindAdditions
Blocking_Enhanced_v1_1
Armorer
mw_visual_pack_2.11 - awesome graphics-upgrades, use along with: KP_MW_Visual_Pack_2.2_nature


sorry i didn't say i was talking about morrowind Smile
so my fault
but thx for this great info ! Very Happy Very Happy

anyone has more cool mods i must get? Cool

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Gizzie




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PostPosted: Wed, 12th Oct 2005 10:55    Post subject:
Javlar
i downloaded all the mods you listed !

but how can i install them?

empty...
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Epsilon
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PostPosted: Wed, 12th Oct 2005 12:40    Post subject:
Sorry for posting out of my morrowind ini file, but these are imho the best mods out there for morrowind.
[Game Files]
 Spoiler:
 
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skidrow
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PostPosted: Wed, 12th Oct 2005 12:45    Post subject:
lol, don't you get any erros while loading that haha.

because some mods aren't compatible with others
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Submiqent




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PostPosted: Mon, 31st Oct 2005 11:44    Post subject:
i can't beleive theres no Oblivion talk!!
I've heard rumors that it comes out tommorow!!!!

EDIT: Excuse me whilst I bash my source's head in for misreading dates. Looks like it's slated for december. Anyone got any hard info?
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skidrow
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PostPosted: Mon, 31st Oct 2005 12:05    Post subject:
http://www.morrowind.com/games/oblivion_faq.htm

What's the release date?
Holidays 2005.

Wink
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sTo0z
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PostPosted: Mon, 31st Oct 2005 12:12    Post subject:
Xbox 360 launches in November doesn't it? And they have confirmed again and again Oblivion would hit it's launch date (launch title for Xbox 360).
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MeaN_MachiNe




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PostPosted: Mon, 31st Oct 2005 12:19    Post subject:
Good looking sig there sToOz!

oh and.. on ign.com it says 21st November, is that just bull ?
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headshot
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PostPosted: Mon, 31st Oct 2005 12:20    Post subject:
Not sure about the rest of the world but the Xbox360 is out in the UK December 2nd. Oblivion is released 3 days later 5th December.

Off topic: Nice new avatar and sig sTo0z Smile

May the NFOrce be with you always.
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slak




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PostPosted: Mon, 31st Oct 2005 13:35    Post subject:
sTo0z wrote:
Xbox 360 launches in November doesn't it? And they have confirmed again and again Oblivion would hit it's launch date (launch title for Xbox 360).


They also said that they would try to get it out as a launch title.

"Why not just shut up and have people only think you are a moron instead of opening your mouth and removing all doubt." -Mark Twain
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aladrinkelahn




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PostPosted: Mon, 31st Oct 2005 14:39    Post subject:
headshot wrote:
Not sure about the rest of the world but the Xbox360 is out in the UK December 2nd. Oblivion is released 3 days later 5th December.

Off topic: Nice new avatar and sig sTo0z Smile


You come from the future, do ya? The ONLY official release date is 'Holidays 2005', not Nov 25, not Dec 5. Dec 5 is a best-guess by game retailers as to when they'll be shipping the game.

Even if there WAS an official date, nothing matters until the game goes gold.
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gold24




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PostPosted: Mon, 31st Oct 2005 19:20    Post subject: soon very soon
Pre-Release 12/5/05
u can check it out on gamestop.com

so enough talk about released dates for this one
got to admit this is probably the biggest and most anticipated game to be released this year just love those crazy rpg:)

this and the new diable game ...if u havent heard about it check out the major games sites..they have news..
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