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of course this vid is biased and anti america but if you see the other cnnnn vids you'll see there's more than a fair share of idiots on the streets. Even IF this was a VERY limited edit (like these were the only 'few' from 1000's) its still pretty stupid :/. I also would call the location of australia a piece of general knowledge that every1 should know. On another of these vids the reporter asks who the first man on the moon was, how many cevilians should be killed in iraq (or somethin like that) and the answers were so unbelieveable. Also he asks if they should use nuclear weapons on iraq and they said yes and 1 girl said 'because they used them on us' 
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My mom (whopee) used to work as a principal and now works with improving the swedish education-system. In that career she travels alot to visit other countries and see what they do to get new ideas. The schools she visits are the ones teaching 13-19 year olds. She's been to the US five times to visit alot of different schools and according to her there are huge gaps. A few schools are awesome and the kids that go there learn alot of things in creative and imaginative ways. But the majority are backwards schools with little or no dicipline (they mostly dont care if the pupils show up or how they behave in class) and outdated litterature. The thing she found most disturbing is just what this video brings up, the lack of teachings of foreign culture, religion and every day life.
And as for this video, this could be shot in any country but it brings a valid if yet biased point. I mean shoot the same video in england, sweden, iran or japan with that same map and 5% out of a 1000 participants will answer in the same embarassing ways. It's just about finding the less educated people.
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| Sublime wrote: | | of course this vid is biased and anti america but if you see the other cnnnn vids you'll see there's more than a fair share of idiots on the streets. Even IF this was a VERY limited edit (like these were the only 'few' from 1000's) its still pretty stupid :/. I also would call the location of australia a piece of general knowledge that every1 should know. On another of these vids the reporter asks who the first man on the moon was, how many cevilians should be killed in iraq (or somethin like that) and the answers were so unbelieveable. Also he asks if they should use nuclear weapons on iraq and they said yes and 1 girl said 'because they used them on us' |
I think i saw that clip of that girl saying that shit about Iraq...so stupid...but thats what any massive, corrupt government banks on. Disinformation and the "sheep" quality |
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| manwithplanxyz wrote: | | The United States is about the same size if not bigger than the continent of europe we have different cultures and countries in our country |
USA is 9,631,418 km² large and Europe is 10,600,000 km². USA has 297,000,000 inhabitants and Europe has 700,000,000. Just to clear it up 
I agree however with your point about generalizing. Each state is pretty much to be equalized with a country in Europe.
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| Posted: Sun, 9th Oct 2005 05:02 Post subject: |
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| javlar wrote: | | And as for this video, this could be shot in any country but it brings a valid if yet biased point. I mean shoot the same video in england, sweden, iran or japan with that same map and 5% out of a 1000 participants will answer in the same embarassing ways. It's just about finding the less educated people. |
I think in america it would be FAR FAR FAR FAR above 5%....
They dont know alot about the outside world.. thats a FACT.. obviously not every american is like that.. but compared to other countries its fucking silly...
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How many Europeans know the difference between the states of the USA? Or have insight into the asian countries?
How many europeans think that in most of asia, people live in huts, et cetera?
I'd say most people are rather ill-informed concerning what the world looks like.
For instance, when one of my friends were going to South-Korea, one of my other friends asked him how he could go there, "Just huts and wasteland".
Most asian cities are huge urbans (like any industrial city, in any nation) - whereas a lot of stupid fucking Europeans think everything looks like the slums in old Hong-Kong movies.
Ignorance and a limited perspective of the world is rather equal everywhere.
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| Posted: Sun, 9th Oct 2005 05:24 Post subject: |
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| fisk wrote: | How many Europeans know the difference between the states of the USA? Or have insight into the asian countries?
How many europeans think that in most of asia, people live in huts, et cetera?
I'd say most people are rather ill-informed concerning what the world looks like.
For instance, when one of my friends were going to South-Korea, one of my other friends asked him how he could go there, "Just huts and wasteland".
Most asian cities are huge urbans (like any industrial city, in any nation) - whereas a lot of stupid fucking Europeans think everything looks like the slums in old Hong-Kong movies.
Ignorance and a limited perspective of the world is rather equal everywhere. |
I think the only thing anybody should know or remeber is where the fuck is australia .
You gotta such a fucking moron to not know where is located australia on a map .
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| fisk wrote: | | How many Europeans know the difference between the states of the USA? Or have insight into the asian countries? |
Agreed to that, if you gave me a blank map to fill in the states i would be correct on maybe five of them and if i had more correct answers they would be lucky guesses. On the other hand i can point out every country in the world with some precision, sure some would be wrong but they would be in the correct region.
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| Posted: Sun, 9th Oct 2005 07:18 Post subject: |
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| javlar wrote: | | fisk wrote: | | How many Europeans know the difference between the states of the USA? Or have insight into the asian countries? |
Agreed to that, if you gave me a blank map to fill in the states i would be correct on maybe five of them and if i had more correct answers they would be lucky guesses. On the other hand i can point out every country in the world with some precision, sure some would be wrong but they would be in the correct region. |
They is a major difference bettenw state and province than contry .
No one know all french province , or canada province . same for usa state .
wanna know all city too? cmon .
The basic is to at least known where AUSTRALIA IS , LOL . Or at least point north korea in asia , not in australia . cmon .
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| javlar wrote: | | fisk wrote: | | How many Europeans know the difference between the states of the USA? Or have insight into the asian countries? |
Agreed to that, if you gave me a blank map to fill in the states i would be correct on maybe five of them and if i had more correct answers they would be lucky guesses. On the other hand i can point out every country in the world with some precision, sure some would be wrong but they would be in the correct region. |
Sure, but how do you think the average European would fare if you really went out and asked many enough? I'm pretty sure a lot of people would think Hong-Kong is an own country , Thailand and Vietnam "are basically the same", and that North Korea "is probably just a military base".
I remember when I was in high school, and a guy from Somalia joined our class, people would ask him if they had running water in his home country, and if he liked to see trees (as if he lived in the desert).
Average Joe know as much about geography as they do math. People who go to school know mathematics, but people who don't work with it are pretty much useless to anything above addition, subtraction, division, and multiplication.
Make a paper with a bunch of third-degree equations (which is pretty simple mathematics), and walk around anywhere in the world - and most people would be dumbfounded.
It all depends on where you ask (a country town vs. a University city for instance) - those who are learned know a lot of theoretical things, while some people are good at other things. A person who can play amazing piano, is still seen by many as a "genius", while that very same person perhaps wouldn't be able to tell equivocations from analogies, Egypt from Zaire, or Ugric dialects from Coptic ones.
There are a lot of knowledge in this world (duh!) - and each man has only a limited amount to learn from his surroundings.
Perhaps the americans reason like this: "What use do I have of knowing where the fuck Australia is, as a famous Judge, and professor of criminology?"
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(Sorry for playing the devil's advocate here, but sometimes the real stupidity derives from ignorance)
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| Posted: Sun, 9th Oct 2005 09:59 Post subject: |
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Well, referring fisk's post.
I can bet with you, ask any russian citizen(in a sober state :/ ) such questions, and im sure 99% will answer you with some thought and not just pure guesses.
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| Posted: Sun, 9th Oct 2005 10:32 Post subject: |
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| javlar wrote: | | fisk wrote: | | How many Europeans know the difference between the states of the USA? Or have insight into the asian countries? |
Agreed to that, if you gave me a blank map to fill in the states i would be correct on maybe five of them and if i had more correct answers they would be lucky guesses. On the other hand i can point out every country in the world with some precision, sure some would be wrong but they would be in the correct region. |
oh nigga plz.. there is a big diff between a state and a country..
Every country has states in a sense.. why should america be any diff ??
You can even that out again.. by ALSO asking americans what the provinces of france are etc...
Im not sure what some of you got taught in school.. but i got taught about foreign countrys and WORLD history etc etc...
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| -=Cartoon=- wrote: | | javlar wrote: | | fisk wrote: | | How many Europeans know the difference between the states of the USA? Or have insight into the asian countries? |
Agreed to that, if you gave me a blank map to fill in the states i would be correct on maybe five of them and if i had more correct answers they would be lucky guesses. On the other hand i can point out every country in the world with some precision, sure some would be wrong but they would be in the correct region. |
oh nigga plz.. there is a big diff between a state and a country..
Every country has states in a sense.. why should america be any diff ??
You can even that out again.. by ALSO asking americans what the provinces of france are etc...
Im not sure what some of you got taught in school.. but i got taught about foreign countrys and WORLD history etc etc... |
As was I...it is true (basing my knowledge on what family members have told me and first hand experience) that the American education system has a distorted view of the world and of history....not to mention they lack in areas that are so fundalmental in other countries. |
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| -=Cartoon=- wrote: | | javlar wrote: | | fisk wrote: | | How many Europeans know the difference between the states of the USA? Or have insight into the asian countries? |
Agreed to that, if you gave me a blank map to fill in the states i would be correct on maybe five of them and if i had more correct answers they would be lucky guesses. On the other hand i can point out every country in the world with some precision, sure some would be wrong but they would be in the correct region. |
oh nigga plz.. there is a big diff between a state and a country..
Every country has states in a sense.. why should america be any diff ??
You can even that out again.. by ALSO asking americans what the provinces of france are etc...
Im not sure what some of you got taught in school.. but i got taught about foreign countrys and WORLD history etc etc... |
Wouldnt say its to big difference between state and country. What do the states in us share? A federal cop, army?
Laws are different between states, copes from one state have no juridiction in another state? So basicly is a bunch of countrys cooperating in a way right?
Might have gotten it a bit wrong though but i cant se to much difference on state and country.
| fisk wrote: | | How many Europeans know the difference between the states of the USA? Or have insight into the asian countries? |
We learn world geografic in school, usa is a country and the states has nothing to do with world geografic. And our insight in asian countries aint that bad either.
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Wouldnt say its to big difference between state and country. What do the states in us share? A federal cop, army?
Laws are different between states, copes from one state have no juridiction in another state? So basicly is a bunch of countrys cooperating in a way right?
Might have gotten it a bit wrong though but i cant se to much difference on state and country.. |
But they are NOT countrys... i dont know what your trying to point out by debating it..
LOTS of countrys have diff rules etc in there states..
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Many of the states in USA are equal in population to countries in Europe. Yes, USA has about 50% of the European population, but then again - there is a big diversity between american states that can equate to the differences between at least neighbour-countries.
Macknu: Nice to see you're an optimist for once. You're overestimating the average Swede, not that I blame you - but it's far from insightful to bash the entire USA, and claim "we Euro's are so much better".
Since it's pointless to ask questions about Asia over this forum (google powah), it doesn't matter - but I am 100% sure you would fail a lot of questions I could ask about eg. locations of nations in Asia, their religion, culture, urbanisation - etc.
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| -=Cartoon=- wrote: | | fisk wrote: | | Many of the states in USA are equal in population to countries in Europe. Yes, USA has about 50% of the European population, but then again - there is a big diversity between american states that can equate to the differences between at least neighbour-countries.. |
And .. ??
China has about 23 provinces... with 1.3 BILLION people.. thats what.. more than 4x the people the usa has.. 
And india has what.. 30 or so states... and they have 1.1 BILLION people... |
Holy fuck, those ppl fuck like rabbits.... |
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| fisk wrote: | | javlar wrote: | | fisk wrote: | | How many Europeans know the difference between the states of the USA? Or have insight into the asian countries? |
Agreed to that, if you gave me a blank map to fill in the states i would be correct on maybe five of them and if i had more correct answers they would be lucky guesses. On the other hand i can point out every country in the world with some precision, sure some would be wrong but they would be in the correct region. |
Sure, but how do you think the average European would fare if you really went out and asked many enough? I'm pretty sure a lot of people would think Hong-Kong is an own country , Thailand and Vietnam "are basically the same", and that North Korea "is probably just a military base".
I remember when I was in high school, and a guy from Somalia joined our class, people would ask him if they had running water in his home country, and if he liked to see trees (as if he lived in the desert).
Average Joe know as much about geography as they do math. People who go to school know mathematics, but people who don't work with it are pretty much useless to anything above addition, subtraction, division, and multiplication.
Make a paper with a bunch of third-degree equations (which is pretty simple mathematics), and walk around anywhere in the world - and most people would be dumbfounded.
It all depends on where you ask (a country town vs. a University city for instance) - those who are learned know a lot of theoretical things, while some people are good at other things. A person who can play amazing piano, is still seen by many as a "genius", while that very same person perhaps wouldn't be able to tell equivocations from analogies, Egypt from Zaire, or Ugric dialects from Coptic ones.
There are a lot of knowledge in this world (duh!) - and each man has only a limited amount to learn from his surroundings.
Perhaps the americans reason like this: "What use do I have of knowing where the fuck Australia is, as a famous Judge, and professor of criminology?" |
I'd almost agree with you, Fisk, but I think its more than just "what use do I have" that determines it. At least in the USA, once you get to college you have a wide range of courses to take, and only a finite amount of time to take them in. Using your example above, if a guy wants to be a judge and professor of criminology, would he be better served by taking geography (which is arguably useless when you can find the location of any country with a simple google search) or the class on criminal justice. Looking at Cartoon's post, where is the benefit in knowing China has 23 provinces or their names and capitals? Unless you're teaching a course on it, I would imagine it rarely comes up if at all.
That leads me to my other point: a lot of knowledge you'll use infrequently. Take Chinup's earlier example: "23 graduating Harvard University students were asked what causes seasons on the earth. Only two were able to say that the tilt of the earth with respect to the sun accounts for the seasons." How often would you need that information? Do you bring that up at parties? Will not knowing it cause the end of seasons as we know them? There is information that you must know and then there is extraneous information that you'll learn and then forget right after graduation. How relevant it is to your daily life will help determine what stays and what goes. For those of you still in school, all of this information is still important because its still relevant (still affects you on tests/your grades).
BTW, I'm not denying that that individuals shown on the video should have known where Australia is.
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| -=Cartoon=- wrote: | | Macknu wrote: |
Wouldnt say its to big difference between state and country. What do the states in us share? A federal cop, army?
Laws are different between states, copes from one state have no juridiction in another state? So basicly is a bunch of countrys cooperating in a way right?
Might have gotten it a bit wrong though but i cant se to much difference on state and country.. |
But they are NOT countrys... i dont know what your trying to point out by debating it..
LOTS of countrys have diff rules etc in there states.. |
Didnt mean to say they are countrys but that its pretty much the same thing and i know of no other country with states.
| Quote: | | Macknu: Nice to see you're an optimist for once. You're overestimating the average Swede, not that I blame you - but it's far from insightful to bash the entire USA, and claim "we Euro's are so much better". |
Didnt mean we euros are so much better, we have better education system though. What i meant is the average swede and average scandinavian (no idea about southern europe) would know that its australia down there. Did you notice he tricked one pointing east and said west and pointing west and said east? Even something like that i doubt would work here. Maybe if they came and asked where is nigeria for example not many would find it, most would pin it down to africa though. But wellknown countrys like china, japan, france, usa etc practicly any would find up here if you dont ask to old people(no idea about our education system in like 60s and so).
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| Siddhartha wrote: | | fisk wrote: | | javlar wrote: |
Agreed to that, if you gave me a blank map to fill in the states i would be correct on maybe five of them and if i had more correct answers they would be lucky guesses. On the other hand i can point out every country in the world with some precision, sure some would be wrong but they would be in the correct region. |
Sure, but how do you think the average European would fare if you really went out and asked many enough? I'm pretty sure a lot of people would think Hong-Kong is an own country , Thailand and Vietnam "are basically the same", and that North Korea "is probably just a military base".
I remember when I was in high school, and a guy from Somalia joined our class, people would ask him if they had running water in his home country, and if he liked to see trees (as if he lived in the desert).
Average Joe know as much about geography as they do math. People who go to school know mathematics, but people who don't work with it are pretty much useless to anything above addition, subtraction, division, and multiplication.
Make a paper with a bunch of third-degree equations (which is pretty simple mathematics), and walk around anywhere in the world - and most people would be dumbfounded.
It all depends on where you ask (a country town vs. a University city for instance) - those who are learned know a lot of theoretical things, while some people are good at other things. A person who can play amazing piano, is still seen by many as a "genius", while that very same person perhaps wouldn't be able to tell equivocations from analogies, Egypt from Zaire, or Ugric dialects from Coptic ones.
There are a lot of knowledge in this world (duh!) - and each man has only a limited amount to learn from his surroundings.
Perhaps the americans reason like this: "What use do I have of knowing where the fuck Australia is, as a famous Judge, and professor of criminology?" |
I'd almost agree with you, Fisk, but I think its more than just "what use do I have" that determines it. At least in the USA, once you get to college you have a wide range of courses to take, and only a finite amount of time to take them in. Using your example above, if a guy wants to be a judge and professor of criminology, would he be better served by taking geography (which is arguably useless when you can find the location of any country with a simple google search) or the class on criminal justice. Looking at Cartoon's post, where is the benefit in knowing China has 23 provinces or their names and capitals? Unless you're teaching a course on it, I would imagine it rarely comes up if at all.
That leads me to my other point: a lot of knowledge you'll use infrequently. Take Chinup's earlier example: "23 graduating Harvard University students were asked what causes seasons on the earth. Only two were able to say that the tilt of the earth with respect to the sun accounts for the seasons." How often would you need that information? Do you bring that up at parties? Will not knowing it cause the end of seasons as we know them? There is information that you must know and then there is extraneous information that you'll learn and then forget right after graduation. How relevant it is to your daily life will help determine what stays and what goes. For those of you still in school, all of this information is still important because its still relevant (still affects you on tests/your grades).
BTW, I'm not denying that that individuals shown on the video should have known where Australia is. |
I half agree with u...I think some level of generalized education is needed. Maybe not knowing the finer points of every culture - but, that tilt of the earth thing i think is a must know...simply just for the fact it makes ppl as a whole smarter. I mean fuck, a few hndred years ago, they thought the world was flat ya know? We would all be considered witches or genius's or something if we lived say in the 17th century, but had the general knowledge we have now - reading and writing skills, i assume most ppl know shit like how a lightbulb works and basic geography things in relation to weather and navigation. Just common sense shit.
That extra little piece of information that some teacher or some book may give u, may spark an idea that changes the world ya know? Its sad that within 5 years of leaving highschool 95% of ppl only remember like 5% of what they were taught.
I remember alot of what i was taught, and use alot of it in day to day life...I dunno, I guess its up to the individual and i see ur logic, but I still say having a high level of generalized education is good.
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| Macknu wrote: | | i know of no other country with states. . |
WHAT THE @#$% !?!?!?
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hahaha OMG! funny video
though I don't think all Americans are like this I sure do think that for most of the Americans the world outside US doesn't exist
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| Hajvan wrote: | hahaha OMG! funny video
though I don't think all Americans are like this I sure do think that for most of the Americans the world outside US doesn't exist |
Reminiscent of people thinking the earth was orbited by the rest of the cosmos ..
I still chuckle when I hear folks say .. the sun is coming up, or going down .. rofl
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| ChinUp wrote: | | I still chuckle when I hear folks say .. the sun is coming up, or going down .. rofl |
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I think memorizing tons of useless facts has become obsolete with the internet and the instant availability of information on a wide variety of topics. Cellphones with internet capabilities can give you the answer to many questions with just the push of a few buttons. Unless we're talking about highly specialized information, like someone studying to be a lawyer or doctor, much of the information you've learned can be easily googled and thus makes all of your learning...redundant.
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