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tw1st
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So will this mean less annoying videos from the likes of pewdiepie?
Then I'm all for it...
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DXWarlock
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| Smaggit wrote: |
The 'get a real job' argument is often used by insecure people, who regret their own job and choices in life (not that I don't sympathize with those people; I do).
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Not always, Dislike of something doesn't always mean desire or jealousy of it. I think 90% of the 'reviewers' on youtube are pointless people that just do lets play videos with opinions...nothing more.
I think like angry joe or whatever his name is there, sure if he can make money off videos. go for it. Its not youtubes job to help him. hes bitching about 'laws' that have nothing to do with youtube.
Everything hes saying in his video is totally wrong in context of youtube and why they cant do what they are doing, Like hes saying he can use content from games without permission? Yes..he can, use it all he wants. But it isn't law that youtube has to allow it be on their servers.
IF he had his own website, with his own videos..legally use it all you want. His bitching that youtube is breaking the law by not allowing him to use it. They aren't stopping him from using it. they are stopping him from uploading it to their servers. They could say "we don't like cats, no cat videos" not against the law to video cats.. But their servers their rights.
Hes being a whiny brat about "your free service that was making me money, is no longer allowing me to make money? DATS ILLEGAL YOUTUBEZ! look at section so and so of US LAWS!" (sorry for the slang spelling, its the only way I can imagine relaying his attitude about it)
Laws dont state what private servers have to allow as content.. You want to keep making money? youtube being a pain? buy a $8 domain and a web host for it.
Everyone of them is bitching "you cant block this"..they can block whatever they want. Tommorow they could decide only videos of yellow flowers and the plants associated with them meet their terms if they want.
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| Posted: Thu, 12th Dec 2013 19:54 Post subject: |
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I don't get how they are making money off youtube. I haven't seen an ad on a video in years.
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Pixies
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| Posted: Thu, 12th Dec 2013 20:00 Post subject: |
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Though I feel for the guys who invested serious time into it, the whole thing is kind of laughable. That making a name for yourself on Youtube might be a relatively shaky foundation for a perpetual income should be obvious to most people.
On a more personal note I always found it pretty damn boring to watch videos of other people playing games, especially the "let's play" kind with people so fond of their own voices you can't get a single second of gameplay without them trying to say something "witty" about it. So in the unlikely event that this actually ends up reducing the number of "youtube personalities" with any kind of permanency, it won't be a big loss.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
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| Posted: Thu, 12th Dec 2013 20:23 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Thu, 12th Dec 2013 20:27 Post subject: |
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| Smaggit wrote: | | The_Leaf wrote: | | I really don't see your point, unless it's just jealousy of people making a living out of youtube. |
The 'get a real job' argument is often used by insecure people, who regret their own job and choices in life (not that I don't sympathize with those people; I do).
Did the Youtube management change recently or something? All these aggressive (pro-corporate) changes seem to come all at once.
The changes are unrefined and seem rushed. It might just be testing how far they can go and what people are willing to put up with. |
no they should get out in the world earn some knowledge and get a real job, its true and I dont even work no more, so your theory is a little off, if you think about how many millions some people make off the tube, and some are in a tax grey zone due to age then maybe its something to do with huge amounts of money being spent by the non "rich" normo's that is upsetting someone 
It does feel kind of like a hey ur not a person of stature fuck ur making more than me? not allowed sorry. now fuck off |
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| Posted: Thu, 12th Dec 2013 20:45 Post subject: |
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Is there some alternative to YT?
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DXWarlock
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| Posted: Thu, 12th Dec 2013 20:47 Post subject: |
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Needing to get a real job or not debate aside..
Spend $40 a month of the money you make and buy your own webhost and domain..host your review videos without fear of relying on the whims of a 3rd party free service for your income.
Why I have no pity for them. If you rely solely on a free service to make your living income, that has ever changing terms and conditions that's offered knowing they have no obligation to help you keep making that income or care if you do, then your just waiting for it to bite you in the ass.
I say relying on youtube being there for you to make income to live on off your videos, is as silly as trying to rely on IMGUR as your hosting solution for your professional photography studio.
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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dsergei
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| Posted: Thu, 12th Dec 2013 20:59 Post subject: |
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| DXWarlock wrote: | Needing to get a real job or not debate aside..
Spend $40 a month of the money you make and buy your own webhost and domain..host your review videos without fear of relying on the whims of a 3rd party free service for your income.
Why I have no pity for them. If you rely solely on a free service to make your living income, that has ever changing terms and conditions that's offered knowing they have no obligation to help you keep making that income or care if you do, then your just waiting for it to bite you in the ass.
I say relying on youtube being there for you to make income to live on off your videos, is as silly as trying to rely on IMGUR as your hosting solution for your professional photography studio. |
They are not using a free service actually. They are generating revenue for Google. It's a mutually beneficial realtionship. Youtube provides ad inventory and an easy-to-use platform to monetize content in exchange for said content being created and shown on the site.
If you get your own site you'd have to get individual deals for ad placement.
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DXWarlock
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I didn't say they wasn't making revenue for google. I was saying its a free service google offers. They aren't paying for it. And Google has not one contract with any of these users to continue offering it. They do it of googles free will.
Is it dickheady to stop offering it? sure. But they have no reason or responsibility to any of these people to offer it. They arent losing a service they was paying for, and have a right to complain of paid services not delivered anymore. It would be like me being upset IMGUR went offline and I went "all my pics was on there! thats wrong put it back up!".
I was stating that as far as usage, its a free, optional service that google offers. And again its not googles concern if you make money off it. They don't care if you make a penny or $100. And you having to get ads on your own personal site is irrelevant. millions of sites do it now, why would them having to be a shame? Sure youtube convenient for that. But its not a requirement they offer that service.
NOW if these people had a contract with google, and they broke this contract. Id be all for supporting them. But they have no 'rights' against what googles doing other than complaints they don't like it.
Just trying to point out if your entire living income comes from a online, free, optional, can be cancelled or stopped at anytime service thats changing its TOS almost weekly on whats allowed, and act shocked that you cannot use them anymore one day, is foolish.
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
Disclaimer: Post made by me are of my own creation. A delusional mind relayed in text form.
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StarSpeak
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| Posted: Thu, 12th Dec 2013 21:21 Post subject: |
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| DXWarlock wrote: | Needing to get a real job or not debate aside..
Spend $40 a month of the money you make and buy your own webhost and domain..host your review videos without fear of relying on the whims of a 3rd party free service for your income.
Why I have no pity for them. If you rely solely on a free service to make your living income, that has ever changing terms and conditions that's offered knowing they have no obligation to help you keep making that income or care if you do, then your just waiting for it to bite you in the ass.
I say relying on youtube being there for you to make income to live on off your videos, is as silly as trying to rely on IMGUR as your hosting solution for your professional photography studio. |
This^^
was just talking to my serbian buddy and saying how I could not put living in the hands of millions maybe of people I dont even know, all on the basis wether they stay or fuck off the channel/stop clicking my buttons etc etc..
Shit can change in an instant and the fall could be massive if you have been complacent with the $ signs filling ur eyeballs and have lots of expenses relying on that income because of being blinkered as fuck, I find the people raging are the ones that have been overly lavish with the money earned and are worried about paying shit back and keeping the life style they have.
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| Posted: Thu, 12th Dec 2013 21:28 Post subject: |
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i don't give a flying 747 fuck about these dribbling autists
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| Posted: Thu, 12th Dec 2013 21:29 Post subject: |
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| DXWarlock wrote: | I didn't say they wasn't making revenue for google. I was saying its a free service google offers. They aren't paying for it.
Thats like saying yahoo isn't a free search engine since people going to the page and searching makes yahoo money.
I was stating that as far as usage, its a free, optional service that google offers. And again its not googles concern if you make money off it. They don't care if you make a penny or $100. And you having to get ads on your own personal site is irrelevant. millions of sites do it now, why would them having to be a shame? Sure youtube convenient for that. But its not a requirement they offer that service.
Just trying to point out if your entire living income comes from a online, free, optional, can be cancelled or stopped at anytime service thats changing its TOS almost weekly on whats allowed, and act shocked that you cannot use them anymore one day, is foolish. |
Except it's not free. You are free to upload videos, but to make money out of it, you have to give Google a cut, ergo it is not a free service to make a business out of youtube. Or more accurately they take the cut before giving you the rest. But it is not free either way. That's how Youtube becomes profitable. How else do you think Youtube makes money? In other sense, you are paying for Google Partnership, just not an up front payment.
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DXWarlock
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| Posted: Thu, 12th Dec 2013 21:31 Post subject: |
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Your confusing free usage with profitable usage. Profit and payment isn't the same thing.
Google does not charge you for using it, they PAY you for using it. They don't get a 'cut' of your profit, YOU get a cut of theirs as a favor they do. They make a profit off the ads, not you..and they give you a part of it.
Either way, where is the contract or agreement with google on how long they offer this service, or the guarantee of its availability?
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
Disclaimer: Post made by me are of my own creation. A delusional mind relayed in text form.
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| Posted: Thu, 12th Dec 2013 21:40 Post subject: |
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| pillermann wrote: | | I don't get how they are making money off youtube. I haven't seen an ad on a video in years. |
disable adblock for a few minutes and try again
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Now, I don't know what hardware costs in Poland, I guess it's cheaper because everything is stolen from Germany and resold... |
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| Posted: Thu, 12th Dec 2013 21:52 Post subject: |
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| DXWarlock wrote: | Your confusing free usage with profitable usage. Profit and payment isn't the same thing.
Google does not charge you for using it, they PAY you for using it. They don't get a 'cut' of your profit, YOU get a cut of theirs as a favor they do. They make a profit off the ads, not you..and they give you a part of it.
Either way, where is the contract or agreement with google on how long they offer this service, or the guarantee of its availability? |
Doesn't matter which way it is, they are both benefiting from it.
Like I said, just because it is not an upfront payment, or straight up payment or whatever, you are still required to invest in it to make some money out of it.
Also if a contract doesn't stating the duration or guarantee the availability, you have the right to get fucked over then? Especially when it was a mutually benefited situation?
What doesn't is their blanket copyright claims system. You might say people are dumb to rely on something that is perhaps volatile, that doesn't mean it is okay for them to be fucked over. The same can be said to construction workers or factory workers that risk getting hands chopped off and thus ruin their career should accidents happen. Are they stupid for getting pissed off their career ended when they knew the risk before taking it?
You could say the magnitude here is different, but when you are given an opportunity to do something you enjoy while making a career out of it, why wouldn't you take it? What's worst is they are not being punished for their misbehavior, or unlawfulness, etc. They are not some morally broken people that are exploiting others fortune to make money of their own. They are fucked over by the company that is relying on their creation to make money. At the very least they deserve sympathy.
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DXWarlock
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| Posted: Thu, 12th Dec 2013 21:55 Post subject: |
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Yes, you do have the chance to get fucked over, even a lawyer you hire will tell you you can be..I'm not condoning it, or saying its OK, just acknowledging that its very possible to be, and google may be in the asshole position for it, but not any legal or wrong for doing it.
And constuction worker compare isnt the same. there is safety features required to help stop that from happening. IF they work at a place that doesnt have it, and they agree to work without any safety gear, or anything in place to stop the risk, jamming thier hand into unsafe and unregulated machines..then yes, they ARE stupid to go in knowing the risk, and not trying to minimize the risk on their own..thats a better comparison.
And not once did I say they shouldn't have taken advantage of the opportunity, Just saying they should have always expected it to disappear without any agreement on how long it lasts.
I mean even if I made money off youtube, only thing I could say now was "well that easy cow was good for milk while it lasted. I only wish it lasted longer"
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
Disclaimer: Post made by me are of my own creation. A delusional mind relayed in text form.
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Smaggit
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| Posted: Thu, 12th Dec 2013 22:00 Post subject: |
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| Amadeus wrote: | | GET A REAL JOB, BITCHES. |
Both trolling or being out of a job (be it pension or otherwise) often results from/in insecurity, and can cause envy.
Every job that adds something of value to society is respectable and 'real'. We have a free market and these people chose to act on the opportunities that presented themselves. As long as they're not doing anything illegal or immoral/unethical they have my blessing. Kudos to them for taking their lives into their own hands.
That said, not everybody finds their talents and/or opportunities in life and that is regrettable, but there are other ways to compensate for that (IE: love, family, friends, hobbies).
Youtube has used these content creators to grow and make money off of and is now steamrolling all over them and the viewers (google+). Legal? Perhaps, I do not know how valid the Fair Use claim is, but it is pretty disrespectful to all parties but themselves.
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| Posted: Thu, 12th Dec 2013 22:05 Post subject: |
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| BettyShikle wrote: | | pillermann wrote: | | I don't get how they are making money off youtube. I haven't seen an ad on a video in years. |
disable adblock for a few minutes and try again |
But everyone uses adblock (how could you not? you'd go insane) so the question still stands.
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| Posted: Thu, 12th Dec 2013 23:35 Post subject: |
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Google is the new Microsoft. Changing things because it suits them, ignoring the consumers. The ads are getting more and more annoying. But maybe that's a good thing? Youtube was a monopolist for too long...
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| Posted: Fri, 13th Dec 2013 00:27 Post subject: |
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I prefer TotalBiscuit over PewDiePie on any occasion. He rants, gets into fights when he thinks he has to prove his superiority and is generally flawed. He also is honest with his fanbase, frequently apologizes for his behaviour and does not want a cult following.
Pewdiepie has an army of fanatical no-lifes watching his every step and listening to his every word. He provides entertainment of the lowest possible quality. I've watched his shows and they're not far off from what that naked guy who stomps food and electronics is doing.
You don't have to respect the man, but at least acknowledge the effort he puts in his work.
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typical jew comment
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zmed
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| Posted: Fri, 13th Dec 2013 00:39 Post subject: |
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| Bendi wrote: | I prefer TotalBiscuit over PewDiePie on any occasion. He rants, gets into fights when he thinks he has to prove his superiority and is generally flawed. He also is honest with his fanbase, frequently apologizes for his behaviour and does not want a cult following.
Pewdiepie has an army of fanatical no-lifes watching his every step and listening to his every word. He provides entertainment of the lowest possible quality. I've watched his shows and they're not far off from what that naked guy who stomps food and electronics is doing.
You don't have to respect the man, but at least acknowledge the effort he puts in his work. |
Only watched one Pewdiediedie video. The first part was a painfully forced and embarrassing attempt at imitating Toboscus' stlye, the rest was LITERALLY just him giggling at his own sorry excuse of a "gameplay". No commentary, no words out of his mouth, just constant giggling and forced laughter.
How that certified retard have a single subscriber, let along that legion of drones he has now is an freakish anomaly of nature.
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I want to know how much money they are doing from sales of those games in 2012/13 
