It sounds like this game is massively broken for some people The open seas should be the LEAST strenuous sections since it's just pre-made water (not even tessellated) with very few models and sources of light/shadow. Then Paul has that horrible performance despite having a pretty friggin' epic machine :\ It's a shame too as I really do think this is an incredible game and it sucks having typically-Ubisoft technical stuff ruining it for people
Is the ocean really not tessellated? Where did you hear that? They definitely fooled me. During whale hunting it's dynamically rippling where the whale is. And those ripples right before he jumps out. I know you don't need tessellation to pull that off, but with that amount of detail it just seems crazy that they wouldn't. With an ocean, and no way of swapping LoD models, how are they making sure they're not rendering thousands of wasteful polys on the ocean far off in the distance?
There's no tessellation at all in ACIV, so the ocean isn't either. The wakes may be dynamic, but that's not hard to pull off.. they did it in pretty much every other water-based game Though it's not a very pretty implementation - you can see the water clipping into itself when the whaling boat is being dragged along. The ocean itself looks incredible and I love the motion and swell of the waves but the wakes during harpooning? They're not as impressive
There's no tessellation at all in ACIV, so the ocean isn't either. The wakes may be dynamic, but that's not hard to pull off.. they did it in pretty much every other water-based game Though it's not a very pretty implementation - you can see the water clipping into itself when the whaling boat is being dragged along.
Interesting. I actually found an interview where they said they initially were working with tessellation on the ocean, but ended up not using it. Oddly enough, they ARE using tessellation for the improved God Rays, which just seems weird. Maybe that's why it completely kills my performance when I switch it to "High", as Low isn't using DX11.
I'm running God Rays on High and it doesn't hit performance much at all, nothing like Environment Detail or Soft Shadows. Where did you read that God Rays are using tessellation though?
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It's a very strange thing to use it on, a light effect. Oh well, thanks! Sorry about that, I thought there wasn't any being used in the game at all.
I'm running God Rays on High and it doesn't hit performance much at all, nothing like Environment Detail or Soft Shadows. Where did you read that God Rays are using tessellation though?
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Ah. Strange as that's the only place that mentions tessellation being used .. and it's a VERY strange thing to use it on, a light effect. Oh well, thanks.
In the interview on DSO I posted. And, for me, it depends on which city I'm in, but the last one I just did my last benchmarks in I went from 36fps with God Rays on Low to 24fps with them on High. But I did just test it out on the open sea and it didn't really drop it at all. But, like I said earlier, it's extremely hard to even tell a difference between the two. A few more light streaks isn't worth dipping below 30fps for me.
Edit: God Rays - High: 23fps, God Rays - Low: 35fps (The difference in lighting between the screenshots was just a cloud rolling over.)
I just checked again during daylight and in the middle of a jungle, God Rays "High" does drop performance quite a bit, from a clear 60 down to 51-52 fluctuating, depending on how much light is filtering through the trees. That's nuts I guess it hits more than I thought.
So if I get all of this right, these are the most resourceful settings?
Environment Quality
AA Quality
Shadow Quality
God Rays
By the way, I never quite managed to reach a constant 60fps with my single 680, and while I wouldn't mind those small dips in most cases, AC4 suffers from a pretty bad stuttering whenever the fps is not locked at 60 (I use vsync on with Dxoverrider Triple Buffering).
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I wonder how Ubisoft manages to fuck up their vsync so badly, it locks to a dreadful 30fps most of the time and without vsync the screen tearing is horrible.
Used RadeonPro's Vsync with triple-buffering, no screen tearing and 40-50fps. Now I'm ready to play
Is the new NVidia driver needed? I'm still on the BF4 one. I'm asking because I get strange blacked out skies in some of the cutscenes after boarding etc (fishing/whaling) when it's nighttime and stormy.
Holy shit the FPS drop is massive when you get the Jackdaw and head for the open seas free roam for the first time..until that moment the performance was fantastic, but now it's a slideshow
Really? I've actually noticed the opposite. Whenever I step off the boat into a densely populated jungle I get a massive frame rate drop.
In the first jungle, when you start the game the performance was excellent and everything else until the moment you get the jackdaw..now at open seas and on other small jungle islands the performance is horrible..freaking slidehow..i have to go to 1280x1024 just to play without stuttering at seas..until now i have been playing at 1920x1080 everything to the max, except for the shadows (i set them on very high) and for the anti-aliasing (i set it to SMAA)..and it almost never went bellow 30 FPS..my rig: 660 Ti AMP Edition, Q9450@3.2 GHz, DDR3-4GB@1600MHz
Is the ocean really not tessellated? Where did you hear that? They definitely fooled me. During whale hunting it's dynamically rippling where the whale is. And those ripples right before he jumps out. I know you don't need tessellation to pull that off, but with that amount of detail it just seems crazy that they wouldn't. With an ocean, and no way of swapping LoD models, how are they making sure they're not rendering thousands of wasteful polys on the ocean far off in the distance?
The ripples couldn't be done with tessellation anyway. That's not what tessellation does. Tessellation is turning big, blocky polygons into millions of tiny triangles to make round shapes rounder, not to simulate ripples and such
I wonder how Ubisoft manages to fuck up their vsync so badly, it locks to a dreadful 30fps most of the time and without vsync the screen tearing is horrible.
No it doesn't I wish people would stop saying that, it has nothing to do with the game but the cards you're using. I've not seen a single Fermi user complaining of double-buffering "steps" for framerate, only Kepler and a lot of Radeon users. I have vsync enabled (this game suffers from horrendous tearing without it, even framelocked at 60) and if/when my framerate drops below 60, it *doesn't* plummet to 45 and then 30, etc. There are no stages, if the game is running at 52.42222555fps then that's what it runs at
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http://madebyevan.com/webgl-water/
That's WebGL (OpenGL ES based, so not even the full OpenGL set)
*drool* Now THAT's how you do water, nVidia! Notice how it doesn't look or feel like jelly? That is how you do it. Now let's get that into games! <3
... the untouched surface ripples are far too fast though, could just be an issue with Chrome as everything else - like the wake and and overall interaction with the ball - is fine.
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Is the new NVidia driver needed? I'm still on the BF4 one. I'm asking because I get strange blacked out skies in some of the cutscenes after boarding etc (fishing/whaling) when it's nighttime and stormy.
A beta yes and it improved SLi performance drastically for me. 331.93 is the latest and quite possibly last of the 331 series.
My problem with AC4's VSync is that it's not working correctly or not working at all. I get screen tearing no matter if it's on or off. Gonna have to try NVidia's adaptive I guess.
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m3th0d2008 wrote:
Is the new NVidia driver needed? I'm still on the BF4 one. I'm asking because I get strange blacked out skies in some of the cutscenes after boarding etc (fishing/whaling) when it's nighttime and stormy.
A beta yes and it improved SLi performance drastically for me. 331.93 is the latest and quite possibly last of the 331 series.
I installed the 331.93 just an hour ago. Didn't try it out with the game yet. Thx though, I hope that these visual bugs are gone now and maybe VSync will work correctly too now.
They appear for a brief moment when you have the ability to complete them, you can press escape at any time to see if there are any secondary objectives you can do.
From all accounts it doesn't look like they do much for single card users and I don't remember any visual bugs (flickering rain on ship deck but I think that's down to the implementation rather than an actual bug) in the last 331 drivers.
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If you don't see the secondary objectives during the mission then it means you already failed them and they were removed from the log. Keep an eye on the bottom right corner of the screen when you start a mission, it pops up with the secondary objectives - which are almost always "don't get involved in combat" (which only applies to open combat or being spotted and chased, sneaky assassinations are fine) - as long as you haven't failed the objective it will always be in the START/ESCAPE menu screen.
No it doesn't I wish people would stop saying that, it has nothing to do with the game but the cards you're using. I've not seen a single Fermi user complaining of double-buffering "steps" for framerate, only Kepler and a lot of Radeon users.
Well, SC Black List had the same v-sync issue and they fixed it with the patches, I wonder why didn't they include the same fix with AC4 initial release or 1.01 patch?!
As GTX 670 user sometimes I sigh for my old GTX 460 SLI setup.
For anyone still having problems with having the fps dropping to 30 when not hitting 60 exactly... just hit ctrl+alt+delete then hit cancel and go back to the game and boom you have triple buffering and can still use sweetfx something you can't do using d3doverider.
Is the ocean really not tessellated? Where did you hear that? They definitely fooled me. During whale hunting it's dynamically rippling where the whale is. And those ripples right before he jumps out. I know you don't need tessellation to pull that off, but with that amount of detail it just seems crazy that they wouldn't. With an ocean, and no way of swapping LoD models, how are they making sure they're not rendering thousands of wasteful polys on the ocean far off in the distance?
The ripples couldn't be done with tessellation anyway. That's not what tessellation does. Tessellation is turning big, blocky polygons into millions of tiny triangles to make round shapes rounder, not to simulate ripples and such
That's WebGL (OpenGL ES based, so not even the full OpenGL set)
The ripples could definitely be done with tessellation. In fact, that was my point. I understand that tessellation doesn't have anything to do with simulation (I've been dabbling in Lightwave 3d, Blender, and SoftImage since 2000), but a tessellated mesh can definitely be deformed and be combined with a cloth/water simulation tech (In the interview I posted above they admitted that in the beginning their ocean was tessellated). But, unless using shader/texture effects, to be able to produce ripples so small you'd need a very dense mesh. And without tessellation how would you make sure you're not wastefully rendering ripples way off in the distance that you can't even see? I mean, obviously they're pulling it off somehow. I really just wish I could somehow turn on the wireframe for the ocean. I want to know how they're swapping an LoD ocean model and having the waves match up. That is, if that's what they're doing.
Does the game gets harder or challenging at some point ? Granted i'm not that far into it but i can mow waves of enemies with ease. AC combat was never that hard but this just seem even easier. I try to go stealth everytime but it's like i have no fear of getting busted since i can then just go on a mass murdering spree and clean the whole place in under a minute.
Edward sort of reminds me of Cervantes from Soul Calibur. Just a dual wielding and overpowered badass pirate
Aside from that i like the game. Just wish it was a bit more challenging but then again i have yet to reach the "hard" parts of the map down south so maybe it will change
Oh and smoke bombs are OP quite a bit . Also i have farmed chests quite a bit and bought the officer swords + all health upgrades very early so maybe that's why it seems easy
you can say it's ''challenging'' in the beginning of the game when you don't have upgrades and other "tools"
i finished the game and i don't think i died from a sword/pistol, ok maybe once or twice.
i think i died more in the ocean by sharks and such or by jumping from great heights.
legendary ships are the toughest opponent you'll find in this game, tried a couple of times to beat some and didn't succeed. ( and i don't know if they offer other things besides money, so maybe not worth it just for the money )
DLC was short, like 45min/1hour, and the game got boring after the ending, i still have some chests to find and the legendary ships to beat, but i don't see why i should do it or care about it.
Legendary ships are not that difficult - they just hit hard - you should attack them from behind at very close range. Just ram their ass turn with your side to their stern (?) so that you are in a T hape. They've got no cannons there, they fire barells will land around you. Occasionally you'll be hit with a mortar shot but it's negligible.
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The open seas should be the LEAST strenuous sections since it's just pre-made water (not even tessellated) with very few models and sources of light/shadow. Then Paul has that horrible performance despite having a pretty friggin' epic machine :\ It's a shame too as I really do think this is an incredible game and it sucks having typically-Ubisoft technical stuff ruining it for people 
Though it's not a very pretty implementation - you can see the water clipping into itself when the whaling boat is being dragged along. The ocean itself looks incredible and I love the motion and swell of the waves but the wakes during harpooning? They're not as impressive 
God Rays - High
God Rays - Low
I guess it hits more than I thought.
. Also i have farmed chests quite a bit and bought the officer swords + all health upgrades very early so maybe that's why it seems easy
after the ending, i still have some chests to find and the legendary ships to beat, but i don't see why i should do it or care about it. 
