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 Posted: Fri, 29th Nov 2013 03:20 Post subject: fucking umerica |
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nouseforaname
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Stige
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| Posted: Fri, 29th Nov 2013 07:10 Post subject: |
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Even more expensive in Finland :l
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sanchin
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| Posted: Fri, 29th Nov 2013 07:31 Post subject: |
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And even more expensive in Poland 'cause we're so rich! Around 420 euro for the 16gb Nexus 5
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Stige
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| Posted: Fri, 29th Nov 2013 07:33 Post subject: |
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| sanchin wrote: | | And even more expensive in Poland 'cause we're so rich! Around 420 euro for the 16gb Nexus 5 |
440€ in here =D
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Saner
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| Posted: Fri, 29th Nov 2013 07:33 Post subject: |
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£339.00 for the 32Gig Nexus 5 here (Play store) thats 554.74 US Dollar or 407.46 Euro (Google currency exchange)
EDIT //
Ont he bright side you pay less than us, a whole 7 euros  so it could be worse (awaits next person who pays 414 euros) 
| ragnarus wrote: |
I saw things like that in here and in other "woman problems" topics so...... Am I the only one that thinks some authorities needs to be alerted about Saner and him possibly being a rapist and/or kidnapper ? |
Saner is not being serious. Unless its the subject of Santa!
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Cyb3r
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| Posted: Fri, 29th Nov 2013 08:59 Post subject: |
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well the uk is a totall other story but most companies seem to think for electronicall products 1euro = 1dollar that and well import taxes are pretty steep in some countries (ahem belgium...)
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| Posted: Fri, 29th Nov 2013 09:21 Post subject: Re: fucking umerica |
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tw1st
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| Posted: Fri, 29th Nov 2013 14:43 Post subject: |
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Join usssss..... joiiiiinnnn ussss....
We have low prices, obesity, and walmart shoppers......jooooiiinnn usssss
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Werelds
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| Posted: Fri, 29th Nov 2013 14:54 Post subject: |
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| Mchart wrote: | | Chinese product is not taxed when entering the states, and then you couple that with VAT and you have most of the reason why stuff is more expensive. |
Here we go again with the same old bullshit
The US has import taxes and duties just like we have in Europe - from China too. There's no VAT in the US, but let's have some fun with that, shall we? I'll apply the 21% VAT we get in NL on the conversion from Google.
iPod Nano 7 16 GB = $99 = €72.70
- With VAT: 1.21 * 72.70 = €87.97
- Difference: €72.03 (almost TWICE as fucking expensive)
Surface RT = $200 = €146.88
- With VAT: 1.21 * 146.88 = €177.73
- Difference: €172.27 (almost TWICE as fucking expensive)
Nexus 7 2013 = $220 = €161.56
- With VAT: 1.21 * 161.56 = €195.49
- Difference: €54.51
Nexus 5 32 GB = $340 = €249.69
- With VAT: 1.21 * 249.69 = €302.13
- Difference: €96.87
iPhone 5 16 GB = $649 = €476.61
- With VAT: 1.21 * 476.61 = €576.70
- Difference: €122.3 (price in NL Apple store = €699)
Those differences are not taxes and duties. Electronics don't get taxed very heavily here at all. I've done something similar for games in another thread - games get *ZERO* taxes and duties and yet the difference is just as ridiculous. Pure greed is what it is, they can get away with those prices here. |
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| Posted: Fri, 29th Nov 2013 15:19 Post subject: |
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amateurs
Google Nexus 7-2(2013) 32GB - €285 with VAT
LG Nexus 5 16GB - €442 with VAT
because we're the poorest country in EU 
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Werelds
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| Posted: Fri, 29th Nov 2013 15:27 Post subject: |
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| Mchart wrote: | | Some of it likely is greed, but you can't say it's GREED!!11!! if you can't even show how much of a tariff your country/EU is imposing on these goods. |
Sure I can.
http://www.dutycalculator.com/Hscodes/hs-code-for-iphone-5s/
0% in most countries, US and NL both included. Same category is applied to tablets as well.
iPod for example then? Sure:
http://www.dutycalculator.com/Hscodes/hs-code-for-ipod/
13.9% (copyright compensation, basically). So let's calculate again for the Nano, shall we? 72.70 * 1.21 * 1.139 = €100.19. Means they still add 60%. And that is assuming Apple's prices are with sales tax in the US (never ordered from US Apple store, do they add state-specific sales tax when you check out or is that price exactly what you pay?).
That site isn't always 100% up to date, but they get their data from the official listings. I.e. http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/dds2/taric/measures.jsp?Lang=en&Area=&Taric=8521900090
So no, Mchart, it's not fucking taxes and duties. It's greed. |
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| Posted: Fri, 29th Nov 2013 15:31 Post subject: |
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Depends on the state and the local county/city. Buying a product in downtown New York is more expensive then if you bought it in Montana where they have zero sales tax.
So at the highest end you've got around 8-10% and the lowest you've got nothing.
Still far cheaper then the EU though. I never said you guys weren't getting fucked. (I live here, remember?) I just said that your various taxes and increased bureaucratic fees don't help.
For more and more online purchases in the US they are starting to charge sales tax based on your credit cards zip code. Personally, I believe there should be sales tax for online purchases given how much people purchase online these days. The state and city needs to pay for services somehow, and it's bullshit that these little family owned stores are being shut down because they can't match online prices that don't have a sales tax.
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Werelds
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| Posted: Fri, 29th Nov 2013 15:36 Post subject: |
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No, but that doesn't take away the ridiculous margins they use here, nor justify them. Especially not since for a lot of those same companies, Europe is a secondary market. Often enough we don't get the full product here, yet pay more. And there's fuckall we can do about it
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| Posted: Fri, 29th Nov 2013 15:41 Post subject: |
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you forget, the margins that the end reseller puts on the product, here some are over 100%
| Lutzifer wrote: | | and yes, mine is only average |
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Nalo
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| Posted: Fri, 29th Nov 2013 15:51 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Fri, 29th Nov 2013 17:29 Post subject: |
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They just like to fuck over EU.
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| Posted: Fri, 29th Nov 2013 17:31 Post subject: |
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have a good friend in the usa who knows how to package and label items and you wont have to pay custom fees
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| Posted: Fri, 29th Nov 2013 17:36 Post subject: |
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| Paintface wrote: | | have a good friend in the usa who knows how to package and label items and you wont have to pay custom fees |
Don't have to do anything special. Just box it up and on the customs form just put some bullshit like 'Cooking book' and send it off as a 'gift'.
They don't have the manpower to check every box in detail so it will likely get through without paying customs.
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Stige
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| Posted: Fri, 29th Nov 2013 17:42 Post subject: |
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| Paintface wrote: | | have a good friend in the usa who knows how to package and label items and you wont have to pay custom fees |
WTB such a thing, no companies whatsoever are willing to label anything as "gift" :l
When ordering random stuff from Ebay from China, they seem to bubble wrap and ducktape the package so hard I haven't had to pay taxes for once yet for any shipment that has come from China.
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| Posted: Fri, 29th Nov 2013 17:47 Post subject: |
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my tips are if its new equipment (like a phone) take it out of the box, get rid of the manuals , anything you dont really need. so its not considered new. also when labeling it dont lie about whats it in, they dont open every package but they scan it, so when you ship like a videocard name it "spare electronic parts" , mark it as "gift" but dont set the worth to 1 dollar or something , set it to 15 dollars ( important is to keep it under 22 euros cause anythign above is not tax free ).
havent been caught in 10 years, and when the euro was like 1,60 dollar i once had my friend mail a whole computer worth $1000 so it has been battle proven.
Also it depends what country you are in , some are more strict/thorough
from the stories i read UK is very lax, Belgium semi strict , Germany quite strict ( having to pay taxes on a single vinyl record etc )
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| Posted: Fri, 29th Nov 2013 18:29 Post subject: |
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Germany is pretty hardcore with customs. They actually seem to inspect the stuff and they also require that ridiculous big ass form to be included with detailed descriptions of everything inside the box.
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