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StrEagle

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Posted: Tue, 29th Oct 2013 01:00 Post subject: New PC

Since my video failed, my hdd is about to, and my PC is from 2006, I am evaluating the possibility of buying a whole new PC.

INTEL GIGABYTE X79-UP4, X79, DDR III 2133/1866/1600/1333/1066, LGA2011 405.39 лв.
INTEL INTEL CORE i7-4820K, 3.7GHz, 10MB, BOX, LGA2011 568.86 лв.
COOLER MASTER Hyper 412 Slim, s.All CPU, Dual Fan, 500-1600rpm 71.80 лв.
COOLER MASTER Fan 140mm BC LED, 1000rpm /Blue, Red, Green/ 15.55 лв.
GEIL 4X4GB DDR III 1866 EVO TWO 306.89 лв.
WD 2000GB 64MB SATA III Black 258.16 лв.
SAMSUNG 128GB 2.5" Solid State Drive 840 Pro /SSD/, SATA 256.37 лв.
COOLER MASTER HAF-912 ADVANCED BLACK, w/o PSU 143.60 лв.
COOLER MASTER SILENT PRO GOLD 800, 800W 302.57 лв.
LG DVD RW GSA-H55N, 20x, Black 35.52 лв.
MSI N760 HAWK GTX 760 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 450.00 лв.

around 2000$

I know the PSU are a bit of an exaggeration

anyone sees anything wrong with it?

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iNs

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Posted: Tue, 29th Oct 2013 01:23 Post subject:	Quick Quote Quote

what type of rig is it gonna be? I am asking because you are combining a pretty efficient cpu with a mediocre card at most. do you really need such a i7 hottie? personally I see no point in overpaying for 2400 ram modules hdd - i'd go for red series for pure storage instead of overpaying for those rams, I'd opt for a bequiet (dark power / power zone) psu edit: and good lord, that case looks terrible go for something sleek, like define R4 or obsydian series perhaps? Last edited by iNs on Tue, 29th Oct 2013 01:27; edited 1 time in total

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StrEagle

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Posted: Tue, 29th Oct 2013 01:27 Post subject:

I just read that the mobo has issues with anything over 2133, so lowered the RAM

http://forum.giga-byte.co.uk/index.php?topic=11467.0

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iNs

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Posted: Tue, 29th Oct 2013 01:27 Post subject:

StrEagle wrote:

I just read that the mobo has issues with anything over 2133, so lowered the RAM

http://forum.giga-byte.co.uk/index.php?topic=11467.0

that post still doesnt contain any of expected answers Razz

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StrEagle

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Posted: Tue, 29th Oct 2013 01:28 Post subject:

what PSU do you have in mind?
I don't mind the noise, my rig is 24/7 so I've accustomed to sleep next to it running loud
even when it's down for maintenance I find it strangely quiet in the room

edit: the case has very good ventilation, It won't be gathering any views under my desk - it has 3 built in fans, adding 1 more, and has a bottom positioned PSU

edit2: I went for WD Black, because I will play, install and uninstall games often from that drive, and I will probably buy a 4TB barracuda for ISO/movies/pics storage afterwards

I was told Red/NAS is a bad idea for desktop

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iNs

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Posted: Tue, 29th Oct 2013 01:33 Post subject:

StrEagle wrote:

what PSU do you have in mind?
I don't mind the noise, my rig is 24/7 so I've accustomed to sleep next to it running loud
even when it's down for maintenance I find it strangely quiet in the room

edit: the case has very good ventilation, It won't be gathering any views under my desk - it has 3 built in fans, adding 1 more, and has a bottom positioned PSU

edit2: I went for black, because I will play, install and uninstall games often from that drive, and I will probably buy a 4TB barracuda for ISO/movies/pics storage afterwards

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what type of rig is it gonna be? I am asking because you are combining a pretty efficient cpu with a mediocre card at most. do you really need such a i7 hottie?

wut about that?

as I said, BEQUIET power zone series or top end dark power series (I personally LOVE DP series because of the quality and accessories, beside the stability and reliability of course)

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StrEagle

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Posted: Tue, 29th Oct 2013 01:36 Post subject:

Oh, gaming rig. The CPU was recommended so I can have quad channel? memory. And I can always upgrade the video card in the future.

Same with my current rig - bought Q6600 when it was brand new, and after 3 years just replaced my 8800GTX with 460GTX..

edit: shit I would go for I7-4930K /3.4G/12M/BOX/2011 if I had the money, fucking hexa cores Rolling Eyes

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iNs

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Posted: Tue, 29th Oct 2013 01:42 Post subject:

StrEagle wrote:

You sure can upgrade in the future, I'm just not so sure if gaming is gonna allow to utilize that cpu power and memory bandwith. Honestly, I'd go for a typical Haswell setup with a decent mobo, combined with a better graphics card OR bigger SSD. Considering it's gonna be mostly a gaming rig, you would certainly turn out better having more SSD space and GPU power, than x79 chipset features, such as quad channel.

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StrEagle

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Posted: Tue, 29th Oct 2013 01:48 Post subject:

you do have some point, I have yet to see the 4 cores of my cpu getting near 80% at the same time..

well the next best gfx is MSI VGA PCI-E N770 TF 2GD5/OC 2GB for around 200$ more.. though I'm not sure it's worth the price difference

or max at 3072M GTX780 JETSTREAM DDR 5 PCI-E 3.0 for around 320$ more..

imo the gfx cards lose value faster than cpu/mobo/ram, and they give me more room for the future

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iNs

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Posted: Tue, 29th Oct 2013 01:53 Post subject:

StrEagle wrote:

That card is neat (I got one a month ago actually). I would advise you to wait just a lil longer with the cards tho. I'm not sure if you are aware but in respond to release of new AMD cards, Nvidia announced today a 70$ cut on the 770's price so it's gonna get even cheaper (and like -150$ on the 780) Wink

Dont forget about the new The Way It's Meant To Be Played games bundle coming right in Wink

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StrEagle

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Posted: Tue, 29th Oct 2013 01:54 Post subject:

Battlefield 4 Limited Edition + GIGABYTE GTX 760 OC (2GB GDDR5) for 559.лв. or 400$ Laughing

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StrEagle

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Posted: Tue, 29th Oct 2013 02:05 Post subject:

and wait how long? a month? two?
I'm currently running on a repaired 8800 that can go any moment, and I can't play anything new in the mean time.. but they are giving me the HAWK at a discount of -130лв or 85$ already (actual price 526лв or 371$)

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Stige

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Posted: Tue, 29th Oct 2013 02:34 Post subject:	Quick Quote Quote

Ditch the PSU in favor of lower wattage and better quality? That PSU really isn't quality or anything, and only Gold efficiency aswell. I got Rosewill Tachyon 650W myself which is modular+Platinum efficiency (When you pay your own electricity bills it matters :l).

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Posted: Tue, 29th Oct 2013 08:18 Post subject:	Quick Quote Quote

If its a gaming rig, the 770GTX should be minimum. Especially now that prices for gfx are coming down. Seriously, investing 2000$ in a "Gaming machine" and only spending enough to get a 760/770 is some weird kind of logic. Personally, If my last build was from 2006, I'd probably be able wait a few days to see how the 290 is going to do. "Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one's own understanding without another's guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one's own mind without another's guidance. Dare to know! (Sapere aude.) "Have the courage to use your own understanding," is therefore the motto of the enlightenment."

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Posted: Tue, 29th Oct 2013 09:19 Post subject:

StrEagle wrote:

Uh, yes.

#1: screw LGA 2011. You're paying way too much for the platform alone. 4820K offers nothing more than a 4770K or 3770K besides 2 MB of cache (woo!) and 200 MHz higher base speed (woo! again!). Meanwhile it does have a 130W TDP instead of 77W and requires motherboards are practically twice as expensive as the "inferior" platforms. The only worse thing you could've gone for would've been one of the Extreme CPUs.

#2: that kind of money wasted on the CPU and yet the GPU is only a 760? Reaction

In fact, you spend nearly as much on the goddamn motherboard as you do on the GPU. Like I said, drop those, you'll likely end up saving enough to get a GPU nearly twice as expensive. A 780 now that it has dropped should be within reach. A 770 at the very least, the price drop on both should be happening right now. It already has happened throughout most of Europe. That and in 2 days the Radeon 290 non-X will be out, it'll be interesting to see where that's going to sit price-wise.

#3: did I mention the crap motherboard and CPU choice yet? Wink

#4: PSU is not the best - it is a decent unit, but it is overpriced. Can't recommend anything in specific, depends on what's available.

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I got Rosewill Tachyon 650W myself which is modular+Platinum efficiency (When you pay your own electricity bills it matters :l).

That's not the reason to get higher grade PSUs. The reason is longevity: the parts inside the PSU wear less and thus chance of failure drops rapidly. They also generate less heat and a properly built unit will be generating less noise.

Maths: assume 500W load, 16 hours per day, 365 days a year (extreme). €0.16 per kWH (slightly above current Finnish averages).
- Bronze at 80% efficiency => 500 / 0.80 / 1000 * 16 hours * 365 days * €0.16 = €584.00
- Bronze at 92% efficiency => 500 / 0.92 / 1000 * 16 hours * 365 days * €0.16 = €507.83

Saves you €76.17 on a yearly basis for this extreme example. You're not even going to get that big of a difference out of it. First year you save nothing in fact.

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StrEagle

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Posted: Tue, 29th Oct 2013 10:46 Post subject:

the 4770K is 30$ and the 3770K is 15$ more expensive than the 4820K Mind Is Full Of Fuck

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Posted: Tue, 29th Oct 2013 10:58 Post subject: I have left.	Quick Quote Quote

I have left.

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Posted: Tue, 29th Oct 2013 11:02 Post subject:

StrEagle wrote:

the 4770K is 30$ and the 3770K is 15$ more expensive than the 4820K Mind Is Full Of Fuck

They should be roughly the same price. Now look at the motherboards for each platform. Comparable 1150/1155 motherboards are much cheaper than their 2011 counterparts. Or should be at least.

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Posted: Tue, 29th Oct 2013 11:05 Post subject:	Quick Quote Quote

Buying X79 setup for non hexacore CPU

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Stige

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Posted: Tue, 29th Oct 2013 11:41 Post subject:

Shoshomiga wrote:

You're going to make that up in price with a much cheaper motherboard on the z87 platform, and you can also get a 4670k that is significantly cheaper for a minor performance difference

Also use this site if you are not already http://www.pazaruvaj.com/ I use it to find lower prices of components

If he does decide to change, he should still stay away from Haswell if he has any sort of plans to overclock at all, they are utter shit when it comes to overclocking, even compared to Ivy.
And the newest Ivys seem to be godlike overclockers but I guess it is still down to RNG.

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iNs

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Posted: Tue, 29th Oct 2013 14:45 Post subject:

Werelds wrote:

StrEagle wrote:

#4: PSU is not the best - it is a decent unit, but it is overpriced. Can't recommend anything in specific, depends on what's available.

Stige wrote:

I got Rosewill Tachyon 650W myself which is modular+Platinum efficiency (When you pay your own electricity bills it matters :l).

what he said.

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Posted: Tue, 29th Oct 2013 14:56 Post subject:	Quick Quote Quote

Using his math I save about ~50€ per year on electricity bills, not bad IMO considering I paid 100€ for this PSU.

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Posted: Tue, 29th Oct 2013 22:48 Post subject:	Quick Quote Quote

@StrEagle The prices are from sky.bg as far as I can see? here are a few cheaper variants of some of the parts so you can put more money towards a GPU and better CPU cooler if you are gonna OC. RAM - http://www.sky.bg/Details.aspx?ID=21297 (I'm not sure about that model it might be crap but there are a few more at a similiar price) SSD - http://www.sky.bg/Details.aspx?ID=22735 PSU - http://www.sky.bg/Details.aspx?ID=21340

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StrEagle

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Posted: Wed, 30th Oct 2013 23:44 Post subject:

the whole idea of the 4x4 is to be ran in quad channel

if I go with 1150 I will switch to 2x8

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Posted: Thu, 31st Oct 2013 00:16 Post subject:

latest pick for 1900$

GIGABYTE Z87X-UD3H, Z87X, DDR III 1600/1333, DVI, HDMI, SATA III, RAID, eSATA, USB 3.0, GLAN, LGA1150 305.16 лв.
INTEL INTEL CORE i7-4770K, 3.90GHz, 8MB, BOX, LGA1150 601.34 лв.
COOLER MASTER Hyper 412 Slim, s.All CPU, Dual Fan, 500-1600rpm 71.80 лв.
COOLER MASTER Fan 140mm BC LED, 1000rpm /Blue, Red, Green/ 15.55 лв.
CORSAIR 2X8GB Vengeance DDR3 2133MHz, CMZ16GX3M2A2133C10 337.48 лв.
WD 2000GB 64MB SATA III Black 258.16 лв.
SAMSUNG 128GB 2.5" Solid State Drive 840 Pro /SSD/, SATA 256.37 лв.
SEASONIC Захранване SS-660XP PLATINUM 231.21 лв.
COOLER MASTER HAF-912 ADVANCED BLACK, w/o PSU 143.60 лв.
LG DVD RW GSA-H55N, 20x, Black 35.52 лв.
MSI N760 HAWK GTX 760 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 450.00 лв.

wondering about INTEL CORE i5-4670K, 3.80GHz, 6MB, BOX, LGA1150 - will drop 120$ more..

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Posted: Thu, 31st Oct 2013 02:34 Post subject:

StrEagle wrote:

wondering about INTEL CORE i5-4670K, 3.80GHz, 6MB, BOX, LGA1150 - will drop 120$ more..

Next-gen games will probably take advantage of more threads, so i7 may be worth considering in that regard. (Better future-proofing maybe?)

On the other hand, the price difference is massive.

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Posted: Thu, 31st Oct 2013 04:57 Post subject:	Quick Quote Quote

http://uk.msi.com/product/mb/Z87-GD65-GAMING.html#overview I have one Good board, and cheap as chips Does that 4770k nicely. Does 2400+ on RAM with ease.

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Posted: Thu, 31st Oct 2013 07:15 Post subject:	Quick Quote Quote

Scaramonga, how did your 4770K overclocked and how it compared to the 2600K you had which was 5Ghz? Was it a placebo upgrade ?

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Posted: Thu, 31st Oct 2013 09:54 Post subject:

Breezer_ wrote:

Scaramonga, how did your 4770K overclocked and how it compared to the 2600K you had which was 5Ghz? Was it a placebo upgrade Cool Face

It always is, I really don't know why anyone would change from 2600K to 4770K really, especially if they ran that 2600K at 5GHz :l
Getting a Haswell to equal speeds is propably not so easy..

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i7-2600K vs i7-4770K performance comparison The i7-4770K performs 13% better in single-threaded tasks. The i7-4770K performs 16% faster when running multi-threaded applications. Memory performance of the Intel Core i7-4770K is better. This CPU features AVX2 and F16C instructions. These extensions are not extensively used by programs yet, however their support should improve in future apps. The Intel i7-4770K supports FMA3 instruction set extension. The FMA3 technology is only offered on AMD processors, therefore not many software vendors may support it in the future. Power consumption of the Intel Core i7-4770K is lower.

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