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PostPosted: Tue, 20th Aug 2013 23:00    Post subject:
Horrordee wrote:
So MS just took a punch at Sony - including Fifa 14 for free with all Xbox One pre-orders is a good move, specially in Europe where the game is epic massive. I wonder if / what Sony will do to compensate for this move?

To be honest, it seems like a strange move. Now that retailers are no longer taking pre-orders for release day on either console, will it really have that much more of an impact? Most people prepared to pre-order a console are the kind of people that want it on release day - free game or not.

I hope Sony do include a free game too, as that's which console I went for!


I don't think they will do much considering that the PS4 is still 100$ less than the XB1. If anything i can see them bundle a game + console for 419$ or something like that but i don't think they will give a free game with it unless it's one of those shitty PSN puzzle game or something like that.

And the free game iso nly for pre orders anyway. You can still get a PS4 + FIFA for less than a pre ordered XB1 with FIFA
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PostPosted: Tue, 20th Aug 2013 23:25    Post subject:
Bundling FIFA with the Xbox One is a pretty smart tactic of MS.
They also try to win back the UK.

On another note, David Cage (Quantic Dream leader) said at the Sony story discussion panel something like
"I want to explore multiplayer-based storytelling, a new kind of social way for multiple people to shape a sophisticated story" and that thats what he's focusing on at the moment.
I dont know if anyone picked that up but for me thats a hint that QD next game is going to be online Sad another one goes to the dark side
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PostPosted: Wed, 21st Aug 2013 02:05    Post subject:
Im not creating a Dead Rising 3 thread so here is a cinematic trailer from GamesCom



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PostPosted: Wed, 21st Aug 2013 15:11    Post subject:
http://uk.ign.com/articles/2013/08/21/upgrade-call-of-duty-ghosts-from-ps3-to-ps4-for-a-tenner

Now THAT is damned impressive. Buy a current-gen version of the game and later trade in for the next-gen version for a small fee. The whole "limited time" thing is dodgy though, how limited is limited?
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PostPosted: Wed, 21st Aug 2013 16:38    Post subject:
Good question with the time limit. Probably within 2-3 weeks of launch.
But the discount is only for digital versions of the 4 games..smart move towards pushing that model. Its a win-win situation.
I'm sure they did this after the absysmal pre-order numbers. There was an article recently with Hirschberg stating COD pre-orders are very low because people are undecided which version to get.
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PostPosted: Wed, 21st Aug 2013 16:46    Post subject:
It's not just CoD though, Sony announced they'll be doing the same with their games and it's very likely other publishers will want a slice of the pie as well.
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PostPosted: Wed, 21st Aug 2013 16:47    Post subject:


Do the same for TLoU. Please.



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PostPosted: Wed, 21st Aug 2013 16:58    Post subject:
Yeah its 4 cross-gen games as of now: Battlefield 4, Assassin's Creed IV, COD Ghosts and Watch Dogs. Are there any others? Only NFS: Rivals, which is coming Nov19 after launch and the EA sports games. And FIFA Xbox One is already free in EU, maybe Madden will be free in US. If the rumors are true and Tlou and GT6 will come for PS4, this won't be before 2014. I believe this discount is only for the next gen launch window. Same for GTA 5.
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PostPosted: Wed, 21st Aug 2013 17:29    Post subject:
I can't remember where, but that trade-up thing is working in US/Canada too with Gamestop (maybe) where you can do the 10 for the upgrade and it works with Madden and FIFA too on top of those other ones. Seems like a good idea mostly.

And yes, TLoU on PS4...I'd play it again for sure.
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PostPosted: Wed, 21st Aug 2013 21:52    Post subject:
http://www.videogamer.com/news/ps3_to_ps4_game_upgrade_will_work_from_disc-based_games_sony_confirms.html

EXCUSE MY WHAT THE FUCK...But are you fucking telling me that my PS3 DISC-GAMES will get a DIGITAL VERSION on PS4....For the price of a (Money) FUCK?...


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PostPosted: Wed, 21st Aug 2013 22:21    Post subject:
So buy game for £35, pay £10 to upgrade, download digital copy on ps4, sell ps3 disk for £25 and you've got next gen games for £20?

Seems good to me...


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PostPosted: Thu, 22nd Aug 2013 01:42    Post subject:
Horrordee wrote:
So buy game for £35, pay £10 to upgrade, download digital copy on ps4, sell ps3 disk for £25 and you've got next gen games for £20?

Seems good to me...



Get account banned,can't recover disc,can't buy disc,lose game forever (if it's on the PSN good,but you're going to pay again...)

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PostPosted: Thu, 22nd Aug 2013 07:13    Post subject:
Horrordee wrote:
So buy game for £35, pay £10 to upgrade, download digital copy on ps4, sell ps3 disk for £25 and you've got next gen games for £20?

Seems good to me...


You'll probably have to send in the disc, can't imagine them being that stupid
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PostPosted: Thu, 22nd Aug 2013 07:35    Post subject:
GuerrillaM6 wrote:
Horrordee wrote:
So buy game for £35, pay £10 to upgrade, download digital copy on ps4, sell ps3 disk for £25 and you've got next gen games for £20?

Seems good to me...


You'll probably have to send in the disc, can't imagine them being that stupid


That info was not given yet. But I imagine it would have to be something along those lines of sending the game in to them to qualify, if that is the case then it is not worth it, just wait out the 10 days and buy the game for the PS4 instead.

But if it does mean that you can keep the PS3 version and sell it yourself while obtaining a PS4 copy for only 10$ and the only thing you need to do is provide proof that you own the PS3 copy then it's a good deal. Sell the PS3 version for full price on ebay once you get the $10 PS4 version.

I reckon more details of how exactly it is going to work will be out soon as far as the digital version of the game. However the gamestop version of this deal requires you to give them your PS3 copy in order to get the $10 PS4 version, which means you're actually paying $69.99 for the game, and that is bullshit, so I wont be doing it through gamestop.

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Bring back Ghosts(PS3) to GameStop along with $10 and walk out with a brand new copy of Ghosts(PS4).


Fuck you gamestop I am not spending 59.99 only to give the game right back for a $10 version of the same game on a new system, that = $69.99 total for the game.

http://www.charlieintel.com/2013/08/21/upgrade-call-of-duty-ghosts-from-ps3-to-ps4-for-10/
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PostPosted: Thu, 22nd Aug 2013 07:55    Post subject:
Who-CareZ wrote:
GuerrillaM6 wrote:
Horrordee wrote:
So buy game for £35, pay £10 to upgrade, download digital copy on ps4, sell ps3 disk for £25 and you've got next gen games for £20?

Seems good to me...


You'll probably have to send in the disc, can't imagine them being that stupid


That info was not given yet. But I imagine it would have to be something along those lines of sending the game in to them to qualify, if that is the case then it is not worth it, just wait out the 10 days and buy the game for the PS4 instead.

But if it does mean that you can keep the PS3 version and sell it yourself while obtaining a PS4 copy for only 10$ and the only thing you need to do is provide proof that you own the PS3 copy then it's a good deal. Sell the PS3 version for full price on ebay once you get the $10 PS4 version.

I reckon more details of how exactly it is going to work will be out soon as far as the digital version of the game. However the gamestop version of this deal requires you to give them your PS3 copy in order to get the $10 PS4 version, which means you're actually paying $69.99 for the game, and that is bullshit, so I wont be doing it through gamestop.

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Bring back Ghosts(PS3) to GameStop along with $10 and walk out with a brand new copy of Ghosts(PS4).


Fuck you gamestop I am not spending 59.99 only to give the game right back for a $10 version of the same game on a new system, that = $69.99 total for the game.

http://www.charlieintel.com/2013/08/21/upgrade-call-of-duty-ghosts-from-ps3-to-ps4-for-10/


yeah having to turn it back in pretty much makes this very unappealing. You pay 10$ more and give up your physical copy for a digital one. Doesn't seem like such a great deal for 10 days...
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PostPosted: Thu, 22nd Aug 2013 08:06    Post subject:
There are wild discussions after an AMD comment on whether or not HUMa on the Ps4 will make a big difference in graphics on Neogaf. If you like tech talk I guess it is an interesting read, for me it's over my head.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=657221
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PostPosted: Thu, 22nd Aug 2013 15:40    Post subject:
grapper wrote:
There are wild discussions after an AMD comment on whether or not HUMa on the Ps4 will make a big difference in graphics on Neogaf. If you like tech talk I guess it is an interesting read, for me it's over my head.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=657221


This is all on paper. I remember selling my 360 back when ps3 launched thinking it would look waaaaay better than the 360 like the media told me. The ps3 still looks exactly the same as the 360 but when you ask people they will say the ps3 has better graphics. If you are smart you wait for one year before investing into the next gen. At E3 2014 we will know who will bring the better games for you.
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PostPosted: Thu, 22nd Aug 2013 16:02    Post subject:
BOOMDOOM wrote:
grapper wrote:
There are wild discussions after an AMD comment on whether or not HUMa on the Ps4 will make a big difference in graphics on Neogaf. If you like tech talk I guess it is an interesting read, for me it's over my head.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=657221


This is all on paper. I remember selling my 360 back when ps3 launched thinking it would look waaaaay better than the 360 like the media told me. The ps3 still looks exactly the same as the 360 but when you ask people they will say the ps3 has better graphics. If you are smart you wait for one year before investing into the next gen. At E3 2014 we will know who will bring the better games for you.

The difference is much bigger this time. That's not speculation anymore.

And if you actually read the thread, you'd have seen that devs are saying that the PS4 really *is* that much faster; not to mention that MS are the ones with the shit dev environment this time.
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PostPosted: Thu, 22nd Aug 2013 21:06    Post subject:
Werelds wrote:
BOOMDOOM wrote:
grapper wrote:
There are wild discussions after an AMD comment on whether or not HUMa on the Ps4 will make a big difference in graphics on Neogaf. If you like tech talk I guess it is an interesting read, for me it's over my head.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=657221


This is all on paper. I remember selling my 360 back when ps3 launched thinking it would look waaaaay better than the 360 like the media told me. The ps3 still looks exactly the same as the 360 but when you ask people they will say the ps3 has better graphics. If you are smart you wait for one year before investing into the next gen. At E3 2014 we will know who will bring the better games for you.

The difference is much bigger this time. That's not speculation anymore.

And if you actually read the thread, you'd have seen that devs are saying that the PS4 really *is* that much faster; not to mention that MS are the ones with the shit dev environment this time.


Who are those devs? http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidthier/2013/08/05/xbox-one-and-ps4-hardware-is-essentially-identical-john-carmack/

Just so you know AMD is claiming their new tech is awesome... just like intel would do. This is coming from the PR department of AMD. They hope you buy AMD instead of intel in your new PC because you heard about some awesome feature that is mega fast and blablabla PR bull. I have been fooled with the ps3 and it's 7 core cell processor that could do 2x1080p at 60fps lmao.
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PostPosted: Thu, 22nd Aug 2013 23:35    Post subject:
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Who are those devs? http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidthier/2013/08/05/xbox-one-and-ps4-hardware-is-essentially-identical-john-carmack/

Carmack I Am Disappoint

Across Neogaf there's several legit developers speaking out, same on Beyond3D amongst others.

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Just so you know AMD is claiming their new tech is awesome... just like intel would do. This is coming from the PR department of AMD. They hope you buy AMD instead of intel in your new PC because you heard about some awesome feature that is mega fast and blablabla PR bull. I have been fooled with the ps3 and it's 7 core cell processor that could do 2x1080p at 60fps lmao.

Of course AMD is.

If you want I'll pick out some specific details and why they matter, but much smarter people (as far as this shit goes anyway Very Happy) than you or me have already worked out all of this over on Beyond3D. They get their information from the documentation provided to them by the two manufacturers, so there's very little speculation going on.

But as a quick guide: PS4 has high-bandwidth memory, 50% more shaders. See http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/777?vs=778 - the GPU configuration in the two consoles would equate to a 7780 (XB1) and 7860 (PS4) if they existed. The XB1 ESRAM's high bandwidth can't compensate for the GDDR5, because the CPU can't access the ESRAM when the GPU has data in it (simplified, but that's essentially it - from the MS documentation). Whatever latency advantage they get with DDR3 is lost whenever you want to use the ESRAM, as it nearly doubles the roundtrip to move data around. And the PS4 has more memory available for games. And the ESRAM's bandwidth in reality is still lower than GDDR5.

Overall: XB1 will either load lower quality assets or suffer pop-in (due to the low bandwidth). Both consoles are equally capable of doing post processing and MSAA as they have similarly fast mechanics to deal with that, but it's the assets where the XB1 suffers. And the PS4's got compute power to spare in comparison on top of that.
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PostPosted: Fri, 23rd Aug 2013 03:57    Post subject:
Laughing

Shuhei Yoshida falls asleep during conference.



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PostPosted: Fri, 23rd Aug 2013 07:49    Post subject:
Laughing Laughing Laughing
I can imagine the working hours,travels and pressure some of these people are having now that we're approaching launch for the new generation.
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PostPosted: Fri, 23rd Aug 2013 13:45    Post subject:
The true powah of next gen revealed:

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PostPosted: Fri, 23rd Aug 2013 13:58    Post subject:
Shocktrooper wrote:
The true powah of next gen revealed:



b..bb.bbut people on neogaf said the ps4 is faster than 10 high end pc's combined... This is all lies. The ps4 will do 4k @ 120fps 3D at 3 screens.
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PostPosted: Fri, 23rd Aug 2013 14:40    Post subject:
Jesus... so this generation is already getting off on the wrong foot. 720p60 is NOT progression. Oh well - I guess we can look forward to another 7-8 years of shit hardware holding back gaming Facepalm

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DriveClub alpha gameplay, 720p and 30fps. Bah.
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PostPosted: Fri, 23rd Aug 2013 17:36    Post subject:
Don't worry, the xone has it running in 4k at 60fps thanks to the power of teh cloud.




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PostPosted: Fri, 23rd Aug 2013 20:54    Post subject:
http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/08/23/gamescom-ps4-gets-33-games-in-2013-180-in-development

33 titles due out for the PS4 in the last 4 months of this year with 180 more in development. That's incredible Shocked No doubt the vast majority of those (both this year and the ones in development) are multiplatform, but still very impressive.
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PostPosted: Fri, 23rd Aug 2013 21:09    Post subject:
no most of them are indies \o/ ill be getting a ps4 next year since the big hitters i want are coming out then.


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PostPosted: Sat, 24th Aug 2013 00:50    Post subject:
sabin1981 wrote:
Jesus... so this generation is already getting off on the wrong foot. 720p60 is NOT progression. Oh well - I guess we can look forward to another 7-8 years of shit hardware holding back gaming Facepalm

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DriveClub alpha gameplay, 720p and 30fps. Bah.


Driveclub is the least impressive title in terms of graphics for next gen imo. It might be technically good, but the game not only lacks a lot of the wow factor of Forza 5, it also looks really boring.
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