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| Posted: Sat, 17th Aug 2013 17:55 Post subject: |
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You press the clutch down fairly swiftly and in a smooth motion, at the same time but maybe a bit slower, releasing the acceleration pedal. Once the clutch is fully pressed down you change gear. Then you bring the clutch pedal up in a smooth motion but maybe a bit slower than when you pressed it and at the same time you're pressing the acceleration pedal down. You will get to know where the biting point of the clutch is and that will help with working out how far the acceleration pedal needs to be pressed down in relation to where the clutch pedal is. This is really hard to describe. It just takes lots of practise. Once you 'get it' it will become very easy.
Edit: Just go find a road where there aren't many cars and play around a lot for a few hours with clutch control and changing gears at low speed.
Also people might do things differently from the way I described...?
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| Posted: Sat, 17th Aug 2013 18:08 Post subject: |
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| SteamDRM wrote: | | the engine is shutting down while trying to move uphill on half-clutch...and many more failures. |
So the clutch pedal is pressed down like half way? A hill start from stopped for you will probably be easiest by applying the handbrake, applying slight revs to the engine, moving the clutch pedal up to the biting point (where you can just start to feel the car pulling) , release the handbrake, apply more revs and release the clutch. Try not to use half clutch unless you're going so slow that you have to, have the clutch pedal not pressed at all if possible. You will need to learn clutch control I think.
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| Posted: Sat, 17th Aug 2013 18:40 Post subject: |
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You can't shut down the engine while moving uphill with half-clutch - you aren't applying enough gas - around 2000 revs would be the ideal starting point, and when you start releasing the clutch also start increasing the gas.
Starting to move uphill from stopped position:
1. Pull handbrake
2. Insert first gear
3. Rev up to 2000 and hold there
4. Start releasing the clutch slowly until you see the revs start to fall - stop releasing the clutch
5. Marginally slowly start to release the handbrake while also starting to apply more gas and releasing the clutch also slowly
6. profit
This is preferred than starting to move with the breaks, because you will exhibit no backward motion of the car whatsoever.
You can do this also at light stops - to not press the breaks all the time while you're waiting for the green, thus relaxing your leg and not keeping the break system under pressure
| Lutzifer wrote: | | and yes, mine is only average |
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| Posted: Sat, 17th Aug 2013 18:45 Post subject: |
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| Newty182 wrote: | You press the clutch down fairly swiftly and in a smooth motion, at the same time but maybe a bit slower, releasing the acceleration pedal. Once the clutch is fully pressed down you change gear. Then you bring the clutch pedal up in a smooth motion but maybe a bit slower than when you pressed it and at the same time you're pressing the acceleration pedal down. You will get to know where the biting point of the clutch is and that will help with working out how far the acceleration pedal needs to be pressed down in relation to where the clutch pedal is. This is really hard to describe. It just takes lots of practise. Once you 'get it' it will become very easy.
Edit: Just go find a road where there aren't many cars and play around a lot for a few hours with clutch control and changing gears at low speed.
Also people might do things differently from the way I described...? |
Thanks for trying to help  , here is the way i do it:
First, i remove my leg from the acceleator. Then i press the clutch and shift to 2nd gear, and at the final i'm slowly releasing the clutch and pushing slowly the acceleator.
Usually if i do this very quickly and while driving with speed as high as possible for the first gear, i do it smootly. But if i need to do it while driving with 15-20 km/h, it doesn't seems to be the way it should be.
Would be really nice if i can find a road with little traffic, it's hard to do it in the town... 
| StrEagle wrote: |
1. Pull handbrake
2. Insert first gear
3. Rev up to 2000 and hold there
4. Start releasing the clutch slowly until you see the revs start to fall - stop releasing the clutch
5. Marginally slowly start to release the handbrake while also starting to apply more gas and releasing the clutch also slowly
6. profit
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Oh, thanks, i'm usually not using handbrake and trying just with the half-clutch...will try. 
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| Posted: Sat, 17th Aug 2013 18:47 Post subject: |
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It is very hard to make the shift from first gear to second seamlessly. The difference in ratio is biggest of all other gears. Don't worry about 1-st and 2-nd gear for the time being. It will come in time.
edit: it's is advisable to train on an out-of-city limits road with little traffic - let's say a nice long straight road between 2 near villages to the city. If not - find a big parking lot of a large chain like metro/lidl/kaufland and train there, at not rush hour usually more than 1/2 of the lot is empty. Or find an abandoned parking lot.
Avoid driving in city limits during your first hundred or so km. Get a friend/relative and go driving slowly along the countryside, to get the feel of the car, and keeping it in the lane.
| Lutzifer wrote: | | and yes, mine is only average |
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| Posted: Sat, 17th Aug 2013 19:07 Post subject: |
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While changing gears you could first release the clutch and then go back to the gas. Also, I think you're doing things in a hurry, while changing gears in a normal (not enthusiastic) drive you have plenty of time, do it slowly.
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| Posted: Sat, 17th Aug 2013 19:45 Post subject: |
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| Invasor wrote: | | While changing gears you could first release the clutch and then go back to the gas. |
Yes, but if i do my car really slow down...
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| Posted: Sat, 17th Aug 2013 19:51 Post subject: |
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| SteamDRM wrote: | | Invasor wrote: | | While changing gears you could first release the clutch and then go back to the gas. |
Yes, but if i do my car really slow down... |
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| Posted: Sat, 17th Aug 2013 19:55 Post subject: |
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At the end of the day the problem is you have passed your test learning in an automatic and are trying to drive a manual. As you now know there is a big difference between the two. I think people have already mentioned that where they live if you pass your test in an automatic then you're not allowed by law to drive a manual, and it's because of the big difference. Honestly if I were you I would have some driving lessons learning to drive a manual if you are having a lot of problems. I find it really strange you can pass your test in an automatic and then drive a manual. I think most people doing that would be a danger on the roads, because a manual is much harder to drive.
Or buy an automatic car.
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| Posted: Sun, 18th Aug 2013 05:03 Post subject: |
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I passed my driving test on the manual one and I drive a manual. Before I went to the driving school, I thought I could never drive a manual, it seemed too hard/confusing. But now, it's just easy. Sure, automatic has it's ups, but also downs. Just like manual. It has ups and downs. Manual does give you more control and the fuel consumption is less than in an automatic. But to stay on the topic, just practice. After some time, it all becomes muscle memory. So now, when I drive, I don't think, I just shift gears and all that based on the "feeling" I dunno how to describe it, it's just you do it all without thinking about it, and it all comes natural and you don't stall or anything. After some time you should start to get that too. If you're driving a petrol car, try to shift from 1st to 2nd between 2500 - 3000 RPM at start.
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| Posted: Sun, 18th Aug 2013 05:19 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Sun, 18th Aug 2013 06:36 Post subject: |
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| M4trix wrote: | in Europe, real men drive cars with manual transmission. Pussies like USA, Canada drive automatic.  |
that's funny because I barely know anyone other than my mom and a few others that drive auto. Manual is just as big here as it is over in Europe. Not sure where you're getting your facts from. |
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| Posted: Sun, 18th Aug 2013 07:42 Post subject: |
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Auto here, after spending 5 years a while back, driving in bumper to bumper traffic for work in a manual, shifting between 1-2-3 and back, every 30 seconds..screw all that.
Too much work, couldn't eat my lunch because my hands was busy shifting constantly..got tiresome and tedious.
Only time i could see me regretting not having a manual is if I was towing something heavy up and down hills, or was wanting to race someone for some reason.
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| Posted: Sun, 18th Aug 2013 08:26 Post subject: |
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| SpykeZ wrote: | | M4trix wrote: | | in Europe, real men drive cars with manual transmission. Pussies like USA, Canada drive automatic. |
that's funny because I barely know anyone other than my mom and a few others that drive auto. Manual is just as big here as it is over in Europe. Not sure where you're getting your facts from. |
There's still a huge gap though - in the US, most 16 year olds learn automatic. Here, if you did that, you'd get a separate license that is considered below that of an automatic (and rightly so).
About stalling a car: every car is different. Mine is very very sensitive to stalling (my brother and a friend have the same one, have been driving for over a decade and still stall it occasionally). Same with switching from gear 1 to 2. My car is very jerky in gear 1 if you're not used to it - other cars I drove, were nowhere near as jerky as that.
Basically, it's well possible you got a car that is hard to learn with. I bought this car brand new after I got my temp license three years ago and it made driving other cars very easy after a while. Two months later, I went to the Belgian Ardennes where there's LOTS of hills and small winding roads and it was a great. It was hard and scary too at times, but you learn so much. In less than 4 months after I decided to get my driving license, I was driving really well. I got my driving license in one go too, which is rare here (they're very very strict).
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| Posted: Sun, 18th Aug 2013 19:38 Post subject: |
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Over here, you must take the driving course and pass the test using a manual. Driving schools are not allowed to use automatics. But after you pass the test, you can drive an automatic. It's a good thing imo, cause when you learn to drive on a manual and get a license, driving an automatic is not a problem at all. While if you learn to drive on auto, driving manual will be hard.
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| Posted: Sun, 18th Aug 2013 21:51 Post subject: |
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I can't remember where I read it (Dutch site linking to edmunds.com I think), but in the first half of 2012 the number of cars with sticks was up by a whopping 3%...which nearly doubled it from 2011. 4% in 2011, 7% in 1H12.
So yes, the majority of US drivers still drive auto. You guys <the North Americans that posted in this thread> are the exceptions 
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| Posted: Tue, 20th Aug 2013 12:25 Post subject: |
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mmm nope? in automatics you should still press both pedals only with the right foot..
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| Posted: Tue, 20th Aug 2013 12:34 Post subject: |
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Yeah but it inevitably happens.
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| Posted: Tue, 20th Aug 2013 13:28 Post subject: |
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| StrEagle wrote: | | mmm nope? in automatics you should still press both pedals only with the right foot.. |
you are right, but if you are driving a automatic/sequencial in a track, you can try use both feets to make more late braking at corners.
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| Posted: Tue, 20th Aug 2013 14:53 Post subject: |
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Lol, first time i got manual i had 0 idea of how it actually worked, went around for a bit and next day i was going to work on the car and taking hills
As said before, to go up a hill you just need to have first gear, some rpms to play with the clutch, slowly depress the clutch until u can feel it grabbing, then you at the same time you slowly release the ebrake, accelerate more and depress the clutch, you gotta play with them and mix that move.
Thats all it takes, to try to keep rpms stable, the clutch grabbing to move the car and the ebrake to disengage so the car actually moves. So easy
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| Posted: Tue, 20th Aug 2013 14:54 Post subject: |
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You don't need the ebrake for hill starts once you get the hang of it though, you can just use the normal brakes and just move your foot from brake to gas without ever rolling backwards.
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| Posted: Tue, 20th Aug 2013 15:01 Post subject: |
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On my Bravo if I put in a gear on a hill, it automatically does not roll backwards. I don't know what type of magic that is, but it is great Just put in the gear and slowly let go of the clutch. You'll feel how the brakes are slowly released and the car just goes uphill 
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