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| Posted: Thu, 15th Aug 2013 20:07 Post subject: |
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| Smaggit wrote: | | No GTA MOBA mini game? |
It will be PC exclusive mode.
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Werelds
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| Posted: Thu, 15th Aug 2013 20:59 Post subject: |
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I don't see it.
What I'm seeing is the same game from 5 years ago, with the same textures, same models, same lighting, slightly improved effects. GTA4 was *not* a graphically impressive game technically speaking. In fact, if you factor its performance on PC in, it was quite ugly.
But then running without MSAA (360 version had MSAA) and with vaseline (either FXAA or MLAA) fucking up the image to hide the bad parts. Framerate we can't tell anyway, that may be 30 or 60. It's all also 5 second clips.
The only thing I see which is far superior now compared to GTA4 is the fucking view distance.
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| Posted: Thu, 15th Aug 2013 21:02 Post subject: |
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The aliasing in the video was terrible
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| Posted: Thu, 15th Aug 2013 21:07 Post subject: |
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| Werelds wrote: | I don't see it.
What I'm seeing is the same game from 5 years ago, with the same textures, same models, same lighting, slightly improved effects. GTA4 was *not* a graphically impressive game technically speaking. In fact, if you factor its performance on PC in, it was quite ugly.
But then running without MSAA (360 version had MSAA) and with vaseline (either FXAA or MLAA) fucking up the image to hide the bad parts. Framerate we can't tell anyway, that may be 30 or 60. It's all also 5 second clips.
The only thing I see which is far superior now compared to GTA4 is the fucking view distance. |
your post literally made me sad, and i was having a nice evening. how can you stay so negative and bitter all the time? you should cheer up
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Werelds
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| Posted: Thu, 15th Aug 2013 21:26 Post subject: |
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| rgb#000 wrote: | | your post literally made me sad, and i was having a nice evening. how can you stay so negative and bitter all the time? you should cheer up |
Well excuse me for not jumping on the fucking bandwagon. The game itself looks fantastic, bringing back all the crazyness we only got a hint of in TBoGT. But technically speaking I'm just not seeing what everyone else sees. What exactly is so much improved over GTA 4?
Then again, a lot of people defended GTA 4's appalling performance with "VIEW DISTANCE OMG" and "AI OMG" which is just horsecrap. |
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Thu, 15th Aug 2013 21:30 Post subject: |
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Same lighting? 
Maybe your eyes are closed and you see dark in both GTA 4 and 5? Try moving your eyelids up. It's called "opening the eyes" in technical jargon. Now you see it.
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| Posted: Thu, 15th Aug 2013 21:30 Post subject: |
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Technically, it's not anything impressive really, indeed.. How could it be considering it still runs on the current gen consoles ? Imo, we've not seen anything from the possible PC version.
But saying it looks just the same as GTAIV is puzzling. GTAV looks way more like MP3 than anything close to GTAIV.
We'll see how it fares on our machines when the time comes..
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Thu, 15th Aug 2013 21:34 Post subject: |
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I still have to  to what Paul said. When was the last time you ran GTA4 or any of its derivatives? It's so flat and horrible now. The vegetation, the water, the general lighting. Compare to Max Payne 3 for reference. This looks like Max Payne 3. And the "same console" is not an excuse. There have been much better looking open-world games, even on consoles. For example, Snorting Dogs. GTA4 is a very old game. In the last 5 years, while shit went quite stale, still games look much better than they did 5 years ago, with one notable exception: Crysis 1, which went downhill. 
Just that gif alone on this page shows a much improved lighting model. Same one from Max Payne 3 indeed.
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Werelds
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| Posted: Thu, 15th Aug 2013 21:43 Post subject: |
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Maybe it's time to reinstall GTA4 then, but if that GIF shows what all of you are seeing, then I still don't see it. The engine in its GTA4 state already had soft shadows, which is what the majority of that scene has lighting-wise.
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| Posted: Thu, 15th Aug 2013 21:51 Post subject: |
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Vanilla GTA4 looks hideous compared to this. I also got the Max Payne 3 graphics vibe from that pic. And yeah, GTA4 always looked funny regardless. Using ENB is a must if you want to play it today.
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Thu, 15th Aug 2013 21:55 Post subject: |
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It's not the soft shadows. These were present in the PC version and were not in console version, I know that. But it's not that. It's the shading in general that is flat and terrible.
Compare Max Payne 3:
With shared asset from MP3 used in GTA4:
Do you not see a difference above?
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Werelds
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| Posted: Thu, 15th Aug 2013 21:58 Post subject: |
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That second one is definitely not what I remember from GTA 4.
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Thu, 15th Aug 2013 21:59 Post subject: |
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That's how it looks when you install. If you have some lighting and shading mod that you wish to share, please do. And don't tell me ENB shit please.
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Thu, 15th Aug 2013 22:02 Post subject: |
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GTA5 looks like Max Payne 3 with somewhat lower textures:
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Werelds
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| Posted: Thu, 15th Aug 2013 22:03 Post subject: |
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I haven't played it in ages, but I will soon, started the download and it'll be ready in a few minutes so 
Been meaning to go through TBoGT anyway. I want Yusuf in GTA 5 
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Thu, 15th Aug 2013 22:06 Post subject: |
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Likely Trevor will prove to be a character with the same "qualities".
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| Posted: Thu, 15th Aug 2013 22:12 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Thu, 15th Aug 2013 22:14 Post subject: |
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What's wrong with ICEnhancer? (note: this is an honest question! Really, what's wrong with it?)
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Thu, 15th Aug 2013 22:21 Post subject: |
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While I hate all these injectors in general, what I hate here specifically is the lack of consistency it creates. Yes, GTA does not look good now, but at least it is consistent about it. With these hook shits and all the ridiculous 137859237845692347856 poly car mods (which bring the framerate to slideshow ranges) create a ridiculous state where the cars looks supposedly amazing while the environment and characters look horrible. And since it's an engine limitation, all the "hooks" in the world won't make up for the technical limitations. You can HDR and bloom and blur and sharpen all you want, the lighting still looks flat on objects while the cars, because they use a specific shader which was hooked by the injector, look shiney and mirror-like, because all these injectors lack any finesse and just bombard shit for the sake of shit.
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| Posted: Thu, 15th Aug 2013 22:22 Post subject: |
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Ok, thanks guys. I always thought some of the static images of ICEnhancer looked incredible but, yeah, static shots.
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| Posted: Thu, 15th Aug 2013 22:34 Post subject: |
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@LeoNatan, the thing is you can achieve finesse with those injectors (at least with ENB), the settings I use are proof of it IMO. And btw, they're not made by me, it was one of the talented guys on gtaforums.com.
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Thu, 15th Aug 2013 22:36 Post subject: |
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Post some screenshots or links and I will tell you what I like or dislike about them. 
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| Posted: Thu, 15th Aug 2013 22:57 Post subject: |
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Well either my Xbox was some shitty inferior product or I played a different GTA4. It looked washed out and it had aliasing all over the place. Not to mention shitty draw distance. I was impressed by it at that time, but that was mainly due to ancient HW pulling that off (big world + lots going on). GTA4 on my old Xbox didn't even look close to those screens. If they didn't manipulate those screens or if those aren't from PC, I'll buy a new Xbox.
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Thu, 15th Aug 2013 23:04 Post subject: |
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That's how Max Payne 3 looks on consoles too. And the thing about draw distances is, if done right, there really isn't that much geometry detail as it seems. So I am not sure if a Max Payne looking at a favela in the distance is less complicated graphically than a city in the distance in GTA5. And in the case that Rockstar actually optimized their engine, they could achieve what they had in Max Payne 3.
But don't get an Xbox, just wait for the PC version a few months.
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