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| psychoace wrote: | | Warning no flaming Indiana. |
How on earth is that flaming? I didn't call him names, question his sexuality or cuss. Is scathing sarcasm not allowed on these boards?
He's called iPods, Apple and Apple's software "gay" and I'm the one who gets warned? Huh?
| psychoace wrote: | | If you really wonder why he chose to pick a creative mp3 player then just ask him don't prejudge his decisions. |
I'm not sure why you choose to use the word prejudge in a discussion about mp3 players of all things, but I'll play along. How would you describe his attitude towards Apple's products? I don't really feel like a software slave, ya know, yet he called me one before I even posted in this thread. Not that I care about that, but fair is fair.
| psychoace wrote: | | Also the new sound cards seem to be doing a fair job in performance and sound tests. |
Have you seen Creative's marketing? They've one-upped themselves this time. This new sound card is so bloody good that it makes 128kbps AudioCatalyst rips played through a thin string using wet cardboard headphones sound better than the original, untouched CD. Don't believe me? Read the claims on their site. That's taken (almost) verbatim from their gushy marketing nonsense.
| Mutantius wrote: | | I can see that you are not familiar with Creative's history in Sound systems :lol: |
Actually I'm very much familiar with their tech.
I've owned an Aureal-based sound card which (for its time) was far superior to whatever PCI-noncompliant iteration of Live! Creative was trying to peddle at that time. Too bad Creative bought the company and locked up their technology in a vault 30 feet beneath the ground. Creative is the Microsoft of sound card manufacturers. All marketing and very little substance.
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| Posted: Sun, 11th Sep 2005 23:57 Post subject: |
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I can't be calling you something if your not in the thread  .. thats just an utterly illogical statement.
My statement about "software slaves" is true, if you are forced to use software, you are its slave, this is simply a fact, if you choose to see that as a bad thing maybe you shouldnt be using an Ipod  .
| Quote: | slave (slāv) pronunciation
n.
1. One bound in servitude as the property of a person or household.
2. One who is abjectly subservient to a specified person or influence: “I was still the slave of education and prejudice” (Edward Gibbon).
3. One who works extremely hard.
4. A machine or component controlled by another machine or component. |
Just to further backup my point.
As for me stating IPods where gay, please note it was directed at Jenni as a joke statement, note the "".
Also, I belive your flame was laughing at another persons opinion, which I have yet to do, I have simply pointed out facts and attempted to put my point across about anothers opinions.
We all have free chioce, should people want to buy technically inferior MP3 players for the "APPLE FACTOR" then thats they're choice, they have the right to be warned about the software limitations (which is how I see the use of ITunes), others also have the right to point out ITunes good points (this I haven't seen really, maybe someone should do just that).
Oh, as you said your comments where sarcastic, you may wish to use smilies to denote that in future thus stopping people thinking your trying to be insulting  !
That will be all good sir!
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| Posted: Mon, 12th Sep 2005 00:41 Post subject: |
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| [sYn] wrote: | | I can't be calling you something if your not in the thread .. thats just an utterly illogical statement. |
No, not really.
I'm an Apple user and thus a slave as per your posting. My statement is perfectly logical since I was also an Apple user before posting in this thread and will continue to be so after posting in it, downtrodden slave or not. Me posting in this thread doesn't really change anything.
| [sYn] wrote: | | My statement about "software slaves" is true, if you are forced to use software, you are its slave, this is simply a fact |
I'm not forced to use anything. iTunes is most certainly not the only software that interfaces with an iPod. Repeating that falsehood several times over doesn't make it a fact. It just makes you wrong.
| [sYn] wrote: | | As for me stating IPods where gay, please note it was directed at Jenni as a joke statement, note the "". |
Oh, I see, your reasonable statement makes perfect sense now. 
| [sYn] wrote: | | Also, I belive your flame was laughing at another persons opinion, which I have yet to do, I have simply pointed out facts and attempted to put my point across about anothers opinions. |
You haven't really posted any facts. You have posted lots of opinions, I'll give you that.
| [sYn] wrote: | | We all have free chioce, should people want to buy technically inferior MP3 players for the "APPLE FACTOR" |
Is this you posting facts again?
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| Posted: Mon, 12th Sep 2005 01:41 Post subject: |
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| indiana wrote: | | [sYn] wrote: | | My statement about "software slaves" is true, if you are forced to use software, you are its slave, this is simply a fact |
I'm not forced to use anything. iTunes is most certainly not the only software that interfaces with an iPod. Repeating that falsehood several times over doesn't make it a fact. It just makes you wrong. |
haha.. thats the point. "Not the only software" - You still need to use software !!! Your still a slave to that software, and my original FACTUAL point stands.
| indiana wrote: | | [sYn] wrote: | | We all have free chioce, should people want to buy technically inferior MP3 players for the "APPLE FACTOR" |
Is this you posting facts again? |
Yes, even if you don't like it, creative have better sound chipsets than apple.
Oh and LIGHTEN UP you seem to be taking this thread as a personal attack, my beef is with none plug and play hardware, not you OR apple .
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| Posted: Mon, 12th Sep 2005 03:17 Post subject: |
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Erk! I never thought this would turn into an ATI, nVidia argument. Or even a PS2 or Xbox debate.
I simply wanted to know if the Ipod Nano is worth the £179 for a thousand song capacity?
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| Posted: Mon, 12th Sep 2005 03:28 Post subject: |
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Noted Jenni the "1000 song" capacity is usually bullshit. If you encode your mp3's at over 128kb then your more then likely going to get about 500-600 songs on a 4 gig device. I would suggest never take it if you are going on a long trip and want to listen to a variety of music unless you have a laptop near by with your collection. It's great for a day by day update if your music moods change though. The device is great it seems audio is not superiour to the rest but it's on par with what your ears will notice. It seems like it's going to be the only device like it though since Apple seemed to have struck a deal with samsung to buy tons of flash memory on the cheap. No other company has a deal like this and probably never will.
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| Posted: Mon, 12th Sep 2005 09:02 Post subject: |
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I'm a sony minidisc man. Most people hate them.. but they're nice and cheap, wonderful battery life and they get the job done sound quality wise. I noticed a significant difference listening to my minidisc player vs. the ipod. Now, I agree with Syn on basically EVERYTHING he has said. The software for the ipod isn't only.. well brutal, but it's prone to freezing. I've had numerous people return their ipod because it's 'stuck' and they can't fix it. It's always been a software issue. I'm not saying EVERYONE has this problem, but its a known issue with ipods, and it's not a select few, the numbers are large enough to take notice.
I think it's rather humorous that Microsoft patented the Ipod's technology, well some of it, before apple released the ipod and did it quietly, thus Microsoft is technically entitled to some of the profit Apple has made. Pure evil, pure and utter evil.
http://apple.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/08/16/1343240&tid=176&tid=109&tid=155
SO EVIL.
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| Posted: Mon, 12th Sep 2005 12:46 Post subject: |
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Actually it's the cheapest per gig flash mp3 player on the market syn. Yes the Micro is 6gigs for $220 but that is a mini hard drive which if you drop it will break and the whole thing becomes useless (i should know i did this twice to a zen micro) They arn't that thin but length and width wise yeah the micro is smaller but it dosn't have such a nice screen nor the ipod accesories (it's almost like these third party manufactures only know about the Ipod as an mp3 player). Also considering if you bought 4 gigs of flash memory from a wholesaler you wouldn't probably get better then 200 bucks for that amount so 240 bucks for the mp3 player is actually extremely cheap. I am sure Apple is making a nice profit on these though or else they are just going to try and hook people in to use there Itunes site.
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| Posted: Mon, 12th Sep 2005 13:07 Post subject: |
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Yeah the Nano is a beautiful thing indeed. The Zen looks like it's been hit with the ugly stick. I'm also drawn to the durability of flash memory. Never thought a hard drive was a portable device otherwise they would have it in digital cameras, which by all accounts is the most dropped consumer electronic after mobile phones or so I've heard.
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| Posted: Mon, 12th Sep 2005 13:12 Post subject: |
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why trust a company that actually released their MP3 players with a built-in trojan ? (CREATIVE)
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| Posted: Mon, 12th Sep 2005 13:29 Post subject: |
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| psychoace wrote: | | Actually it's the cheapest per gig flash mp3 player on the market syn. Yes the Micro is 6gigs for $220 but that is a mini hard drive which if you drop it will break and the whole thing becomes useless (i should know i did this twice to a zen micro) They arn't that thin but length and width wise yeah the micro is smaller but it dosn't have such a nice screen nor the ipod accesories (it's almost like these third party manufactures only know about the Ipod as an mp3 player). Also considering if you bought 4 gigs of flash memory from a wholesaler you wouldn't probably get better then 200 bucks for that amount so 240 bucks for the mp3 player is actually extremely cheap. I am sure Apple is making a nice profit on these though or else they are just going to try and hook people in to use there Itunes site. |
Good point, I was never one to worry too much about HDD based players as I tend to be very careful with my tech.
*holds jenni tight*
Its ok my deer, you can live without its beauty if you need too !!!! Haha, I feel like apple products have become like a drug to the world, they're more insane than those idiotic "rubber band" things Im sure most the people who read this are wearing ! Im all about charity, but not idolism. Then again, my lack of conformity in this area almost leaves me as bad as everyone else, Im so against it I conform myself, oh the shame.
So yeah, based on that, the nano is probably the best flash based product on the market, I still feel like apple will be getting the better end of the deal here, I also feel it will be due to the apple factor. I would wait a while to see if an alternativse appear, Im sure IRiver and Creative wont allow this to go unchallenged for long!
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| Posted: Mon, 12th Sep 2005 13:54 Post subject: |
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Even if they probably do, it won't look as good as the ipod.
It probably not function as well as the nano either.
I'm not a deer.
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| Posted: Mon, 12th Sep 2005 15:59 Post subject: |
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Ahh yes, Sony did invent the whole "portable music phenomena", though they are not cheap.
"Why don't you zip it, Zipfero?" - fraich3
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| Posted: Mon, 12th Sep 2005 19:35 Post subject: |
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something interesting and on-topic Guess these players are only going to get better and smaller ...
| Quote: | Samsung Unveils New Flash Memory Chip
Mon Sep 12, 9:31 AM ET
Samsung Electronics Co. on Monday unveiled a new flash memory chip it says will double storage capacity on portable music players and other mobile devices.
Memory cards containing multiple 16-gigabit NAND chips mean "you will be able to take your entire music and personal video libraries with you," Chang-Gyu Hwang, president of the company's semiconductor operations, told reporters.
For example, the company said that by combining 16 such devices on a memory card with a density of up to 32-gigabytes it would be possible to store 200 years worth of an average-sized daily newspaper, 8,000 MP3 music files or 20 DVD movies.
The company said it plans to begin mass producing the chips in the second half of 2006.
Samsung is the biggest producer of NAND and DRAM flash memory chips in the world. NAND chips, which can save data even when power is switched off, are used in electronic devices such as MP3 players and digital cameras. DRAM chips are most widely used in personal computers.
Separately, Apple Computer Inc.'s launch of a flash memory-based music player will help support prices for NAND chips, Hwang said.
Demand for NAND chips is currently "explosively strong" and is expected to remain strong throughout next year, he said.
Apple's new iPod, called the Nano, replaces the iPod Mini. In contrast with the Mini, which is hard drive-based, the Nano relies on flash memory, making it lighter and more energy-efficient.
One-third the size of the Mini, the Nano weighs about 1.5 ounces and will fit into a breast pocket. Apple says it can store up to 1,000 songs or 25,000 photos. |
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050912/ap_on_hi_te/samsung_flash_memory
My mp3 player is fairly old now (like almost 2 years  ) ... a Rio Nitrus ... works fine for me and it's really small and light .. it's only 1.5 GB ...
I think I'll have to get one of those new sony walkman's in a year or two when they're reasonably priced. I'll never get an iPod. They've become too much of a fashion accessory for spoiled rich kids.
@[sYn] ... I was almost in stiches to hear you compare iPod users to lance armstrong bracelets. My thoughts exactly 
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| Posted: Mon, 12th Sep 2005 21:39 Post subject: |
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| Jenni wrote: | Even if they probably do, it won't look as good as the ipod.
It probably not function as well as the nano either.
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Word.
Today I got to play around a bit with one of my friends' Iriver players. It has 10 gigs more than my iPod, it can play movies, it has a color screen, and chances are it's got better hardware than my 'pod.
I still wouldn't trade my iPod for it. That's really how much a good UI means.
My advice, Jen, go for it. |
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| Posted: Wed, 14th Sep 2005 00:49 Post subject: |
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If I would get something new now I'd probably get an mp3 phone, just to have one less gadget to lug around. The SonyEricson Walkman phone seems to be both a good phone and a good mp3 player, and a 512MB memorystick would probably be enough unless I go on a trip aound the world or something.
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| Posted: Wed, 14th Sep 2005 06:12 Post subject: |
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| Buena_Vista wrote: | | why trust a company that actually released their MP3 players with a built-in trojan ? (CREATIVE) |
Right.......
"Why don't you zip it, Zipfero?" - fraich3
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| Posted: Sun, 18th Sep 2005 01:06 Post subject: |
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iTunes is a choice. You don't absolutely have to use it (look here for a list of alternatives), but I'm happy with it so I think I'll stick with iTunes. I'm actually happy with having all of my Podcasts, playlists, new tracks, and my now-perfectly-organized music collection automatically transfered. Then again, you might be one of those people that wants to manually update everything, so ymmv.
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| Posted: Sun, 18th Sep 2005 02:16 Post subject: |
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| Mutantius wrote: | | Right....... |
As in 'not wrong'.
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| Posted: Sun, 18th Sep 2005 04:48 Post subject: |
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Jennni, get one now! You won't regret it i'm certain, it's just so convenient.
"Techniclly speaking, Beta-Manboi didnt inject Burberry_Massi with Benz, he injected him with liquid that had air bubbles in it, which caused benz." - House M.D
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| Posted: Sun, 18th Sep 2005 12:22 Post subject: |
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| Mutantius wrote: | | Well of coruse they did that and purpose :P |
Reread what Buena_Vista wrote. He never said anything about intended malice.
That said, the trojan only ended up on about 4000 players on the Japanese market, so the damage was fairly minimal.
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| Posted: Sun, 18th Sep 2005 12:35 Post subject: |
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| Buena_Vista wrote: | | why trust a company that actually released their MP3 players with a built-in trojan ? (CREATIVE) |
Well, the phrase "built in" can be misunderstood with "on purpose"
"Why don't you zip it, Zipfero?" - fraich3
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| Posted: Tue, 20th Sep 2005 17:46 Post subject: |
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I have an Ipod 1gb shuffle.
No display, no neat navigation wheel.. just a "start, stop, volume up or down, fast foward rewind" feature set in a very lightweight and efficient package.
I used itunes until the day I discovered ml_ipod for Winamp. I've since uninstalled iTunes and have not touched that piece of garbage since.
I like the shuffle, I'm sure I'd like the nano... however, I bought the shuffle so I can go to the gym and listen to music I want to listen to instead of their pop bullshit... and having headphones on greatly discourages people from trying to talk to me while I'm trying to lift weights.
It's my first apple product and besides the 30" cinema display I'm aquiring, I don't forsee me getting much else of theirs.
I've had the Samsung YEPP, the old intel 3000 mp3 player, a RIO, and something else.All of them broke or didn't function very well right out of the box.
Simplicity is a good thing.
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