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PostPosted: Sat, 18th May 2013 00:42    Post subject:
http://www.pcgamer.com/2013/05/17/nvidias-surprised-the-titan-outsold-the-year-old-gtx-690-in-just-3-months-were-not/

Titan in 3 months sold more than 690 in a year.


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PostPosted: Sat, 18th May 2013 01:19    Post subject:
marketing.
titan is a great name for gpu


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PostPosted: Sat, 18th May 2013 11:17    Post subject:
hey guys, can anyone recommend be the best budget gpu? (max 80-90€). My current pick is 7750.
Thanks.
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PostPosted: Sat, 18th May 2013 12:06    Post subject:
gtx550ti but it's a bit more expensive.
7770 is also more expensive.

I don't know any cards in that price range that would fit. Look after gigabyte. It is mostly cheapest


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PostPosted: Sun, 19th May 2013 19:25    Post subject:
http://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-gtx-780-official-specifications-chart-unveiled/

http://wccftech.com/nvidia-publicly-announces-geforce-gtx-780-geforce-esports/


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PostPosted: Sun, 19th May 2013 19:27    Post subject:
Quote:
GTX 780 Benchmarks Unveiled – 20% Improvement Over GeForce GTX 680


http://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-gtx-780-benchmarks-unveiled-20-improvement-geforce-gtx-680/


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PostPosted: Mon, 20th May 2013 09:21    Post subject:
Newty182 wrote:
Quote:
GTX 780 Benchmarks Unveiled – 20% Improvement Over GeForce GTX 680


http://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-gtx-780-benchmarks-unveiled-20-improvement-geforce-gtx-680/


This is great news. Enthusiasts will be more likely to upgrade from their 600 series setup which should result in low 600 Series prices in the second hand market Smile



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PostPosted: Mon, 20th May 2013 10:52    Post subject:
I really want to know what the price will be for the 780. I had a quick google yesterday and the 480, 580 and 680 were all about £430 at launch. I think this card will cost more, but how much more.


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PostPosted: Mon, 20th May 2013 14:49    Post subject:
Like I said before,it's 700-800 USD.
Some cheaper cards could be 650 USD at best IMO.


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PostPosted: Mon, 20th May 2013 23:19    Post subject:
800 USD will probably be about £600 in the UK Sad


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PostPosted: Mon, 20th May 2013 23:29    Post subject:
800 USD means 800 EUR. At the current rate, 800 EUR is about 675 pounds Smile
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PostPosted: Mon, 20th May 2013 23:45    Post subject:
For an extra £45 you could get 2 of these EVGA GF GTX 680 SC 2GB and that's upto 100% performance increase over a single 680, not just 20% Reaction


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PostPosted: Tue, 21st May 2013 00:22    Post subject:
GEFORCE GTX780 SUPERCLOCKED 3GB $719.12 http://www.shopblt.com/cgi-bin/shop/shop.cgi?action=thispage&thispage=011004001504_BRR3869P.shtml&order_id=!ORDERID!

Too much imo.


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PostPosted: Tue, 21st May 2013 00:38    Post subject:
I thought purely referenced cards would be out in the first few months of release. Not even factory overclocked ones...
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PostPosted: Tue, 21st May 2013 00:44    Post subject:
Looks of that website screams scam all over the place Laughing


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PostPosted: Tue, 21st May 2013 01:20    Post subject:
Newty182 wrote:
GEFORCE GTX780 SUPERCLOCKED 3GB $719.12 http://www.shopblt.com/cgi-bin/shop/shop.cgi?action=thispage&thispage=011004001504_BRR3869P.shtml&order_id=!ORDERID!

Too much imo.


700$ lol wut

in a 2 years it will be worth 200$ or even less.

And it's not like it is needed for ANY games. Cards like 660ti or 7870 are more than enough for anything 1080p or 30-40fps 1440p


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PostPosted: Tue, 21st May 2013 01:39    Post subject:
KillerCrocker wrote:
Newty182 wrote:
GEFORCE GTX780 SUPERCLOCKED 3GB $719.12 http://www.shopblt.com/cgi-bin/shop/shop.cgi?action=thispage&thispage=011004001504_BRR3869P.shtml&order_id=!ORDERID!

Too much imo.


700$ lol wut

in a 2 years it will be worth 200$ or even less.

And it's not like it is needed for ANY games. Cards like 660ti or 7870 are more than enough for anything 1080p or 30-40fps 1440p


Yeah sure mate, 2GB is not even enough for latest games at 1440p. Most people want 60fps anyway. Tho single GTX 780 is not gonna give 60 fps at 1440p, not even Titan will. GTX 770 (a.k.a GTX 680) would have been awesome card if they would have upped the memory to 3GB @ stock. Also what goes for that GTX 780, they advertise it as 120hz gaming card, i want to see what games runs 120fps all the time on it Cool Face
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PostPosted: Tue, 21st May 2013 02:15    Post subject:
what do You mean ?
Most new games work about 40fps-50 in 1440p on my mid 7870.

so titan wouldnt do 60 ?

And I am not talking about metro but every other game before it.


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PostPosted: Tue, 21st May 2013 09:05    Post subject:
KillerCrocker wrote:
700$ lol wut

in a 2 years it will be worth 200$ or even less.

Let's not buy any kind of new hardware now cause it might be worth way less in 2 years. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Tue, 21st May 2013 09:20    Post subject:
SInce when it new gpu's were worth their price ?


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PostPosted: Tue, 21st May 2013 09:42    Post subject:
I have never agreed more on the new GPU series' prices being bloated and void of any reason. NV and AMD have been skinning us gradually for the past 3-4 years now. And I don't see any end to it in the near future. I was just speaking generally regarding your post.
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PostPosted: Tue, 21st May 2013 10:02    Post subject:
human_steel wrote:
I have never agreed more on the new GPU series' prices being bloated and void of any reason. NV and AMD have been skinning us gradually for the past 3-4 years now. And I don't see any end to it in the near future. I was just speaking generally regarding your post.

Err...what? AMD has done it since last year when Tahiti launched - and please look at how rapidly they've dropped. Before that, I can't even remember their last card that launched above $400 - excluding dual-GPU cards and the likes. Nvidia have to charge like that on their big chips; relatively hard and expensive to produce. By keeping prices high they make sure demand won't exceed supply (or at least not to an extent where they can never fulfill it) and get a good profit on them at the same time. Their small chips are usually priced below AMDs level for the same die size; often those chips have been quite a bit slower though. This is in fact the first generation in a *long* time where the two have similar gaming performance per square mm (slightly in favour of Nvidia for once in fact).

Need I remind you that at the start of this century graphics cards were consistently launching at $500 (or up Neutral) on all three sides (3DFX was still around :'()? They've gone down a lot since then (taking inflation into account).
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PostPosted: Tue, 21st May 2013 10:37    Post subject:
Well, didn't express myself correctly. I only judge their new series' price absurdity by the fact that I only buy both companies' top single-GPU'ed solutions. Have never had any experience in the middle and lower classes of their cards in a long time. And, in that regard, NV have always been on the expensive side (and now they'll most likely go overboard in that aspect). While AMD have gradually been upping the initial prices of their GPU products for the past few years. At least, that was the impression I was left under while being three AMD card series in a row before switching back to NV. I remember buying a 4870 dirt cheap at launch while 7970 probably cost 3 three times its price when it first appeared at the beginning of 2012. And, I suspect the Vulcan family will be as expensive when it comes around later this year.
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PostPosted: Tue, 21st May 2013 11:57    Post subject:
Well, like I said, Tahiti is the first time in years that AMD /ATIwent up the way they did. They had a bump with X1800 (see below) because it was a bad, expensive chip - plus Nvidia went up with G70 so drastically ($649 launch MSRP IIRC), so ATI had some wiggle room to get some margin. I've excluded some of the refreshes (X1900, 9800 etc.), as they launched at the exact same price as their initial parts. Some, I've included though, you'll see why.

- R300 (9700): $399
- R420 (X800): $399
- R520 (X1800): $449/$499 (not actually 100% sure on this one, although I think it was the XTX that launched at 499, with the XTX with extra RAM being $549)
- R600 (2900): $399
- RV670XT (3870): $219
- RV770XT (4870): $299
- Cypress XT (5870): $379
- Cayman XT (6970): $369
- Tahiti XT (7970 non-GE): $549 (GE at $499)

R600 marks the point where ATI made their dramatic strategy change. R600 was the first of the small-die strategy, right around the time they did Xenos for MS. That's also the ridiculous development period where they followed up on themselves so damn quick. Q2 2007 had R600, Q3 had RV670 and Q2 2008 already got RV770. That's why you see such a stark drop there; R600 was so good that with the drop from 80nm to 55nm (note the lack of 65, that was only used for lower end chips!) they could keep building more or less the same chip at half the cost. Then for RV770 they took that and fleshed it out more.

The 4870 was just an exceptional piece of hardware that was a culmination of a lot of circumstances. That's not going to happen any time soon anymore, especially not with nodes not advancing nearly as quickly. ATI did some exceptional engineering back then and took advantage of the fast node improvements, whereas Nvidia were being lazy and living off the equally exceptional G80 instead of actually moving through the nodes as quickly as AMD. That's also how Cypress came to be so good, because AMD already built the 4770 and knew what issues 40nm had; Nvidia didn't and only found out *while* they were building Fermi. We all know how that one turned out Wink
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PostPosted: Tue, 21st May 2013 13:51    Post subject:
Apparently NV has dropped the initial prices for the 780...it's about 600-700 USD now. Smile
With luck you could get one for 650-700 euros.


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PostPosted: Tue, 21st May 2013 13:55    Post subject:
Ooooooh, down to a month's pay... Reaction


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PostPosted: Tue, 21st May 2013 14:22    Post subject:
http://videocardz.com/41862/retail-geforce-gtx-770-detailed-and-tested

Average 11,4% faster than GTX 680. Just OC your GTX 680 and you have 770.
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PostPosted: Tue, 21st May 2013 14:38    Post subject:
What card you have now? AMD is also supposed to release their new 8xxx series this year. If 780 is about 15% slower than Titan, you can make the decision yourself is it worth to put around 400 dollars more for Titan :>.
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PostPosted: Tue, 21st May 2013 14:54    Post subject:
Interinactive wrote:
I'm upgrading at the end of next month, price isn't really an issue, is there much benefit of getting a 780 over a Titan or vice versa?

price/performance ratio will be better on 780, that's the only benefit i can think of.
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