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 Posted: Fri, 17th May 2013 02:29 Post subject: state of multiplayer |
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i loled first then i cried a little inside, war z cheater stats. its fucked up how bad the pc multiplayer scene has become
"To date the combination of the FairFight system and our internal efforts we have banned over 46,000 player accounts for cheating. In the last 30 days over 7,000 cheaters have been removed from the game, some 200+ players a day."
think we will EVER get a fully working anticheat for any game ?, its getting a bit old this tbh
i dont wanna be forced onto my derpbox for multiplay
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| Posted: Fri, 17th May 2013 02:32 Post subject: |
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game isnt even free ffs, imagine planetside 2 (no antihack and no cost+alot more popular)
this game was 15 bucks for a while (a version they stopped selling cause cheaters kept coming back on that version) and then a hack sub ontop of that maybe 8-9 bucks a month
why are ppl willing to pay this for owning at a mediocre game.. and how much are they willing to pay for better ones ?
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| Posted: Fri, 17th May 2013 03:05 Post subject: |
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Whatever happened to the plans of implementing hardware bans within anti-cheat systems?
I can never be free, because the shackles I wear can't be touched or be seen.
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| Posted: Fri, 17th May 2013 03:09 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Fri, 17th May 2013 03:23 Post subject: |
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| Interinactive wrote: | | Saying that, I can't even remember the last time I came across someone who was obviously cheating anyway, maybe back in CS 1.6 with speed hacks? |
Well, let's take it a step further.
I've been playing Neverwinter recently (a free-to-play title), where it's not only not frowned upon, but EXPECTED to glitch/bug/skip your way through the Tier 2 elite endgame dungeons. Anyone who doesn't do so is either booted from the group or left behind. While this isn't cheating in the competitive sense, it more or less falls into the same category.
I think it all comes down to the mindset and pool of the players honestly. 15 years ago you had a totally different demographic of players - now'a'days it's mostly children (man children included), and idiots.
The cheater's mind is rarely a logical one - it's more of the instant gratification win for the sake of winning and not for the sake of playing type.
I can never be free, because the shackles I wear can't be touched or be seen.
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| Posted: Fri, 17th May 2013 03:30 Post subject: |
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i think you are right about the mindset a little, but also its more publicly avail nowdays, and easy to use CC to shop online
to my knowledge PB does hardware bans but only for hacks that disrupts the punkbuster normal operation, but it seems as easy as changing your NIC to get around it
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| Posted: Fri, 17th May 2013 12:37 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Fri, 17th May 2013 12:39 Post subject: |
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good luck making a proactive anti cheat. People who think that's possible, are delusional lol.
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| Posted: Fri, 17th May 2013 15:15 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Fri, 17th May 2013 15:26 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Fri, 17th May 2013 15:31 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Fri, 17th May 2013 20:38 Post subject: |
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Wait, wait. You make a thread named state of multiplayer, and you bring up cheating as the chief problem?
What about the fucking SHIT MULTIPLAYER GAMES?
Aside from TF2 there are no real challenging and popular shooters out there. We have these very boring modern setting, hitscan based weapon shit, that takes way way way less skill than Quake or UT ever did, and it's made for and played by prepubescent teens. Now THERE'S a problem, imho.
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| Posted: Fri, 17th May 2013 22:14 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Fri, 17th May 2013 22:18 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Fri, 17th May 2013 22:37 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Fri, 17th May 2013 23:03 Post subject: |
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I cheat sometimes... why? More fun. And a bit of a compensation to people that play 12h a day. Im never destructive though.
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| Posted: Fri, 17th May 2013 23:19 Post subject: |
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| Bob Barnsen wrote: | You call every multiplayer game shit, because you are bad at playing them? Yet you say TF2 needs skill
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I apologize to everyone who would find this offensive, but:
Challenge me in any multiplayer FPS, and I will hand your ass to you. Those which I have never played included. And no, this is not arrogance nor is it a false statement. You know why? Because my reflexes are trained with games like UT2k4.
And yes, TF2 needs skill. I challenge you to a solly/scout/sniper duel, and will leave you with 0 score, know why? Because TF2 needs good movement as well as good aim. In CoD games, the one who sees the enemy first, KILLS the enemy first. Also, you don't have to manage health.
In TF2 I play scout, and I have a different for facing different classes, different dodge patterns vs. different classes. You have to pick your fights, time your entrance, plan your exit, whilst counting shots and odds at the same time. In pubs I play spy, and that's all about mindfuck.
And that's just solo tactics, once you play against a good team, you better get organized, pick the appropriate class combinations for each situation, time ubers, relay scout information. Breaking a good defence requires real good coordination of demomen, spies, medics, heavies and snipers at the least.
I do admit I get negative about some modern games, but that's because they butchered the high-octane FPS genre to accommodate fucking controllers.
I laugh out loud at some of the CoD "skill" videos on youtube. They obviously never in their lives saw a good Quake skill compilation, because that would leave their jaws dropped to the floor.
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| Posted: Sat, 18th May 2013 00:56 Post subject: |
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Back in the day I played those old Novalogic Delta Force games and they were swarming with cheaters.
I was tired of dying bullshit deaths, so I downloaded a public hack(yes, a public one no less  ) used cheats against the cheaters.
That was the only time I cheated in an online environment.
Considering how streamlined/shallow/dumbed down/derped/accessible/whatever you want to call it multiplayer shooters have been in the last couple of years, I'm surprised anyone needs hacks to excel at them.
Using CoD as an example, it didn't take me long to master the last few games, and once I did, I was wiping the floor with the opposition, became bored quickly and deleted.
The learning curve is so short, and skill ceiling so low I had to crouch walk like Sam Fisher.
Even Battlefield 3 bored me after a month or so, and the only reason I kept coming back was to play with friends on Skype and have a few laughs.
Still better than CoD though.
The good old days of sinking hours into a game, for weeks and months, hell, years, to improve as a player, often on the same server, with the same players, are all but gone.
Nowdays you play these unlock-centric games for a few weeks to months, become bored and move on to the next flavor of the month unlock-centric game with a tacked on 4 hour single player campaign.
"I think Call of Duty resonates because it's believable and relatable," Sledgehammer Games cofounder Michael Condrey says.
Believable and relatable...Yep, sounds like Call of Duty
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| Posted: Sat, 18th May 2013 01:03 Post subject: |
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| EyePatchLives wrote: | Back in the day I played those old Novalogic Delta Force games and they were swarming with cheaters.
I was tired of dying bullshit deaths, so I downloaded a public hack(yes, a public one no less ) used cheats against the cheaters.
That was the only time I cheated in an online environment.
Considering how streamlined/shallow/dumbed down/derped/accessible/whatever you want to call it multiplayer shooters have been in the last couple of years, I'm surprised anyone needs hacks to excel at them.
Using CoD as an example, it didn't take me long to master the last few games, and once I did, I was wiping the floor with the opposition, became bored quickly and deleted.
The learning curve is so short, and skill ceiling so low I had to crouch walk like Sam Fisher.
Even Battlefield 3 bored me after a month or so, and the only reason I kept coming back was to play with friends on Skype and have a few laughs.
Still better than CoD though.
The good old days of sinking hours into a game, for weeks and months, hell, years, to improve as a player, often on the same server, with the same players, are all but gone.
Nowdays you play these unlock-centric games for a few weeks to months, become bored and move on to the next flavor of the month unlock-centric game with a tacked on 4 hour single player campaign. |
Completely agree.
I notice it on myself, that in UT2k4 I still am getting better and better, after all these fucking years, still!
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| Posted: Sat, 18th May 2013 05:31 Post subject: |
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| paxsali wrote: | First of all if you play War Z multiplayer you should be drowned in the next river.
Second of all why is anything related to War Z representative for "the multiplayer scene" in general?
Third of all, I will do my best to convince Pumpy to shut this useless thread down or move it to the War Z thread.
Fourth of all I dont like you and I think you are an idiot. |
meh way to have the point going over your head doing mach 2....
it was just an example, ffs if you play ANY mp game nowdays you know that bans have skyrocketed the last year in every gd game
hence thet thread title CHEATING IS THE STATE OF MP on the master race machine right now, i think its more than fuckin spot on
theres a little thing in this world called statistics.. so you think that many cheaters CAUGHT in warz a shitty game that actually costs money ? but all other games are clean ? derp is one thing but thats going too far
how do you think the cheating looks like in f2p titles, 0 risk to lose money and way more popular games
do the fuckin math instead of being a dickhead
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| Posted: Sat, 18th May 2013 05:48 Post subject: |
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So like, yeah, cheating is bad. 
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| Posted: Sat, 18th May 2013 07:36 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Back in the day I played those old Novalogic Delta Force games and they were swarming with cheaters. |
I always find it interesting that Novalogic was capable of running 150 player servers such a long time ago, but for some reason we're crawling along with 16/32 player servers in most games still.
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