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any opinions about using Xubuntu on a laptop with dualcore 1.6ghz cpu and 1gb ram?
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| Posted: Thu, 9th May 2013 00:15 Post subject: |
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Werelds
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| Posted: Thu, 9th May 2013 10:48 Post subject: |
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Squeeze never gave me any issues. I've got one very old machine (summer 2009) which started on Lenny, dist-upgraded to Squeeze without issues back in 2011. Wondering if Wheezy would go just as well, unfortunately this old machine is dedicated to running a lot of old code so Wheezy wouldn't work 
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garus
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| Posted: Thu, 9th May 2013 12:11 Post subject: |
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Thu, 9th May 2013 14:11 Post subject: |
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No wonder, it's a Linux distribution with an actual HIG and first-party apps suited for that HIG. Oh, and HIG "reminds" that of OS X a lot.
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| Posted: Sun, 12th May 2013 18:10 Post subject: |
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I can't make myself believe that there is a better variant of linux than debian
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[sYn]
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| Posted: Sun, 12th May 2013 20:27 Post subject: |
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This looks very interesting. Debian based? or Ubuntu :\?
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Ah, just saw its an ubuntu core. I don't mind that so long as its not buggy. The one thing ubuntu provides over the distributions I've tried is that cohesive desktop experience.
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I wonder how BeOS would have worked and looked today if it had had a chance. It was state of the art when it was released with inventive system functions like:
∙ symmetric multiprocessing by utilizing modular I/O bandwidth
∙ pervasive multithreading
∙ preemptive multitasking
∙ 64-bit journaling file system known as BFS.
The BeOS GUI was developed on the principles of clarity and a clean, uncluttered design. First version released in 1995.
The API was written in C++ for ease of programming. It has partial POSIX compatibility and access to a command-line interface through Bash, although internally it is not a Unix-derived operating system.
There are Open Source projects (Haiku, which like many other "homebrew" open source OS'es is nowhere near finished and probably never will be) that is working on recreating BeOS (which is still closed source since the company and it's IP was bought by Palm and since then the BeOS code base/license has been sold to various companies. So the last available BeOS version is BeOS R5.1d0 in 2001, leaked right before Palm owned the rights and IP.
Then there was ZETA, another sad story of BeOS post-Be Inc.:
| Quote: | | As of February 28, 2007 the current version of ZETA is 1.5. On March 28, 2007, magnussoft announced that it has discontinued funding the development of ZETA by March 16, because the sales figures had fallen far short of the company's expectations, so that the project was no longer economically viable. A few days later, the company also stopped the distribution of ZETA in reaction to allegations that ZETA constituted an illegal unlicensed derivative of the BeOS source code and binaries. |
Oh well, so many promising OS'es that had foundations that were better and much more modern than the existing desktop OS'es at the time (MacOS, Windows, Linux) simply disappeared just like Betamax lost to VHS.
I really liked BeOS, it was lightning fast, true multitasking and all that.
Another one I really had high hopes for (but finally followed other home made OS'es) was SkyOS.
It was also blisteringly fast and towards the end when the GUI was being worked on, tweaked, SDK's worked on, API's written etc.. And the kernel is worth it's own quote:
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SkyOS user space lies on top of a custom, modularized, preemptive-multitasking kernel with support for common features like process and thread isolation, memory management/paging, kernel debugging, low-level locking primitives, and real-time PIC/APIC timers. It is a monolithic kernel, with drivers that are dynamically loaded into kernel space via an extension API.
There are some notable features that distinguish the SkyOS kernel from others. These include:
Kernel-mode VESA support, allowing for graphical display immediately upon power-up
Architecture abstraction layer, allowing SkyOS to be easily ported to other architectures
Advanced CPU support, including Multi-Core/SMP/HyperThreading and all the major x86 extensions
Full DMA, ATAPI, and ATA/SATA support (with SATA drivers for several major chipsets)
Support for popular buses
Contrary to a popular misconception, the kernel is not derived from Linux or any of the various BSDs. It was written entirely by Szeleney over the course of several years, and uses no outside code. |
I was a beta tester and it also had a superior modern design compared to the big three. But again, the big three owned the market even though all of them were basically built on 70'ies (UNIX) technology, just patched, upgraded and rewritten to support new stuff.
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!
"The sky was the color of a TV tuned to a dead station" - Neuromancer
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[sYn]
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| Posted: Tue, 14th May 2013 11:02 Post subject: |
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Garus, whats the social media integration like? The one thing that bugs me, being someone who likes to use Twitter like RSS and facebook to talk with friends is the lack of OS integration for these social media services. Ubuntu did a reasonable job (better than windows at least) of integrating these services, was wondering if eOS was much better?
I plan on sticking this on my laptop, how well does it use screen real estate?
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| garus wrote: | | This OS at least has actual designers taking care of the whole look. |
That's a big sin when it comes to Linux nerds.  |
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| Posted: Tue, 14th May 2013 17:26 Post subject: |
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| [sYn] wrote: | Can't you be both  ? |
Designer and linux nerd? Cleans the monstrosity!
elementaryOS is still a great step toward good, but still, the open source and free keep lower than it could be. They talk a great deal about typography, but without great typefaces, there is no great typography. Microsoft just has no taste, so it is understandable why they fail. But sadly, it takes a lot of work to create great typefaces, and thus, there are very few good free typefaces (fonts).
Here is an exported font archive from OS X:
http://www.mediafire.com/?3e1cl9314dh9gm9 |
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Yes, this is what defines Linux and Windows and thinking outside the box, the ability to remap the super key.
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[sYn]
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| Posted: Tue, 14th May 2013 22:28 Post subject: |
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Windows comfort zone? hahaha.. I run windows at home because I game, I run linux (and still sometimes windows) when I want to work.
My issues is that for a "designed" OS, they made a few M$ errors.. that is simply one of them. Why is that not the default?
The irony is that my main machine is currently fucked, so I'm debating if I should install linux back on that and game through wine... :\.. Think I'll just reinstall win8.
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I wonder what exactly you can't do on Windows that you can on Linux so that you wouldn't need Windows but "need" linux.
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Yes, but what freedom and customizations? Windows is as widely open as Linux is, the Win32 API has been hacked to death and pretty much anything is achievable. WinRT is newer but who cares about that. Let's leave the servers out of it, I am interested to know why someone would take a Linux at home instead of Windows (or OS X for that matter). BTW, you can remap your Windows key in Windows just fine. I'd argue that saying Windows is closed and Linux is open is pretty much "thinking inside the box", because even if not sanctioned by M"$" ( ), just about anything can be done to Windows.
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On the other hand, with Linux you are left without gaming, without Photoshop, without Office, without proper support for many features which the nerd community has branded as unimportant (for example, does Linux support the OpenType contextual alternatives or even plain ligatures yet? ). Yes, you can try to pull some stupid shit and get some games and some Office functionality and perhaps Photoshop to work with nasty hacks, but what is the point, if you can get them to work natively?
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| Posted: Wed, 15th May 2013 00:57 Post subject: |
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Yes, I asked for the advantages (for a home user), which you have not posted yet. The ability to run a VM is not one of them.
LibreOffice Can you please answer me? Is it possible to enable OpenType features for typefaces that support them? Last time I checked (~3 months back), it was not possible.
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| Posted: Wed, 15th May 2013 01:00 Post subject: |
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Gimp is crap. Even though it's capable of most of what Photoshop can do, the utterly horrifying interface prevents you from finding the ways to do it.
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| Posted: Wed, 15th May 2013 01:35 Post subject: |
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Just a small example:
Libre:
Word:
These are extreme cases, of course, just to make it more clear. On the top, there are no variations and no ligatures, because Libre does not support OpenType features from 2003. Word, on the other hand, applies contextual alternatives (actual script that runs from the font), as well as stylistic ligatures.
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| Posted: Wed, 15th May 2013 01:44 Post subject: |
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That's a good reason and that's fine. I know some people that are bored with Windows and look for "challenges" (in the form of constant console bickering?  ) and I guess that's fine too.
Just want to know what people see as advantages in Linux.
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, but I'm sure I'll find more issues.
