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So i'm fed up with my E90 sitting on the driveway come winter. As soon as a dusting of snow covers the ground it goes nowhere. So i have been looking into 4x4's, but have found anything aesthetically pleasing to the eye is too expensive on road tax and general running costs.
So i have been looking at the BMW xDrive cars. Does anyone here have any experience in driving one in the snow and ice?
Specifically looking at a f30 320i Msport 2012 model.
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| Posted: Sat, 20th Apr 2013 20:39 Post subject: |
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I've driven in snow long enough with every form of drivetrain to know that having AWD / 4x4 doesn't do much for normal commuting in the snow. It's the tyres that matter.
Given how shit and salty the roads are in England it's best to just get a beater that you drive during the winter months if you have a car that you care about.
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| Posted: Sat, 20th Apr 2013 21:11 Post subject: |
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You'll find that AWD doesn't do jack to help with lateral grip. Tires sure do though.
And yes, a car with low profile 265 width likely summer tires won't do fuck-all in the snow.
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| Posted: Sat, 20th Apr 2013 21:31 Post subject: |
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So can you run winter/snow tires in dry conditions i.e say all the way through from november - march/april or will they degrade to quickly or have little grip in dry/normal conditions.
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| Posted: Sat, 20th Apr 2013 21:47 Post subject: |
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No, they'll be fine. Will feel like shit though. I don't know where exactly you are located but here in the midlands it doesn't snow usually until the much colder months. So you should be safe waiting until early December to throw the tires on, and pull them sometime in March. You'd be fine with a decent set of all seasons like the Continental DWS's as well. Although the huge tread depth of snow/winter tires is what you want.
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| Posted: Sat, 20th Apr 2013 22:17 Post subject: |
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I suggest getting a cheap set of wheels for the winter months as well as to not ruin the stock ones.
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| Posted: Sun, 21st Apr 2013 13:29 Post subject: |
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Snow tires are on-par or slightly better on wet surfaces, but worse on dry, and have excessive wear cause the tire is softer at hot temperatures.
I usually check Auto Build for latest summer/winter tire reviews (brand and model) before I buy tires, and am pretty happy with what I got.
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| Posted: Mon, 22nd Apr 2013 13:50 Post subject: |
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thinner tires are better for snow than wider ones.. so consider changing to smaller rims for the winter
also helps with pavement damage repair 
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If reliability doesn't matter im sure BMWs are great...
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| Posted: Mon, 22nd Apr 2013 14:16 Post subject: |
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Again, for any country that has snow.. You're better off just driving a beater around when there is snow on the ground and saving your actual good car for when there isn't shit tons of salt and sand on the road. England in particular is fucking horrible when it comes to this. They dump down so much fucking salt/sand. Every winter that goes by my poor Mazdaspeed3 gets raped over here.
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| Posted: Mon, 22nd Apr 2013 14:19 Post subject: |
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| Mchart wrote: | | . Every winter that goes by my poor Mazdaspeed3 gets raped over here. |
Did you take it with you to England?
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| Posted: Mon, 22nd Apr 2013 14:30 Post subject: |
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I wash my undercarriage after the last snow every spring.
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| Posted: Mon, 22nd Apr 2013 14:47 Post subject: |
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| deelix wrote: | | Mchart wrote: | | . Every winter that goes by my poor Mazdaspeed3 gets raped over here. |
Did you take it with you to England? |
Yes, and i'm trying to sell it now before I go back.
Looking for 11k GBP / equivalent euro. Car is over three years old so it's tax free.
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There are transparent protection folios that can be applied to the front bumper of a car so the paint doesn't get scratched. But applying it to the bumper, side panels and top costs around 1 repaint of the bumper.
| Lutzifer wrote: | | and yes, mine is only average |
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I went to the BMW xDrive event in Vancouver and i was actually very impressed.
We compared them to the Quatro System. The Benz system and the Acura TL line.
Im not a BMW fan at all, but that xDrive system worked very well. Better than everything we compared it to. It reminded me of my ex wifes Cyanne on snow and ice. Porsche system though is still better. 
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| Posted: Mon, 22nd Apr 2013 20:10 Post subject: |
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Do you know what wheel and tire setup the BMW was running?
And which model was it Bigperm?
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I dont recall the tire setup, sry.
But we drove the 330xi and the 330xi with the M package, and a 335xi, and the 335xi with the M package. All coupes, 2012 models. i did the event last summer i think. And we got to bag an M3, but that was more for hot laps.
Vs a A4 and A6 , an E300 (I think was the benz) and the Acura TL. There was one ofter manufacturer but i drawing a blank.
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you guys buy those nice cars as if they'd cost peanuts: o
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| PumpAction wrote: | | you guys buy those nice cars as if they'd cost peanuts: o |
yep
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| PumpAction wrote: | | you guys buy those nice cars as if they'd cost peanuts: o |
I love cars On the hunt for a GTR right now.
And maybe i am just used to paying more for cars (Because there one of my passions) but a BMW is not that expensive. Unless your looking at an M product. Sure more expensive than a KIA. But the Quality you get, better resale value and more all round fun... Its worth the extra money.
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Most of you live in countries with decent tax rules regarding sport cars, in "eco-green-friendly-norway" we are pretty much shot if we buy a car with more than 250 hk :/
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. I've had good experiences in snow with contiental T830P though the TS850 seems to be even better. Michelin Alpin A4 or GY Ultragrip are mostly good choices aswell. I tend to believe the german ADAC on their tests. Apparently it helps to put weight on the rear axle on the lighter BMW models.
