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sausje
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Heh i had the same problem (and currently still without any DVD drive  ), lucky for me i had an empty USB stick, so installed within 10min 
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Sin317
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| Posted: Tue, 26th Feb 2013 20:06 Post subject: |
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| Frant wrote: | The pity about many games is that their data files are packed in half-gig to multigig files. That takes away some of the power of the SSD. That's why there are guides all over the net on how to unpack those .pak (or whatever) files for various games to get the best performance since SSD's are champs on reading random small files ( texture/mipmap etc. files) fast as hell, much faster than having to jump back and forth in a huge sequential file.
IOPS is the biggest strength of SSD's. |
I should say here that there is no real difference between a "huge-file" and lots of small files layed out in a folder from the disk drives perspective. When you read up on basic file-systems and how they work you will see that the files are, no matter how physically big they may be, split into lots of smaller fragments that are chained together to form a file on the file system. There will be little gain ripping up those big game files into small files, on the contrary it can even hurt performance, since the game could have been using an optimized file structure that sped up loading times or some other aspect like less overhead in file handling. Mostly though I think the big files just facilitate game porting across platforms since the developer just writes unified resource IO handling for all platforms.
But the bottom line is that IOPS won't be any smaller for SSDs if it has to seek around big files or whether it has to look for a differently named file on the file system. The later might even be slower because of extra OS overhead. In the end the read still gets translated to "get block X from device". Which are scattered all around the drive like smaller files on the file system.
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tw1st
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| Posted: Tue, 26th Feb 2013 20:16 Post subject: |
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Going back to what I was asking about earlier. Setting up a SSD drive correctly. I did a firmware update for it, and it turns out that my mobo sets it to AHCI by default so I'm good in that regard, no need to change it or do any registry fixes, nice.
As far as Intels rapid share tech goes though, would I see really any difference in boot speed or write/read speeds while mucking around in the OS?
Doing a the Samsung Magician Software test gave me a good rating for SSD performance, so I don't know how much better/quicker I can get. Was getting something like 535/560 for read/write.
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Frant
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tw1st
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| Posted: Wed, 27th Feb 2013 16:14 Post subject: |
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Don't know if this was posted before but an amazing guide for SSD owners. Free'd up about 12GB of space for me in about 5 minutes and gave me a small boost in SSD performance.
http://www.overclock.net/t/1156654/seans-windows-7-install-optimization-guide-for-ssds-hdds
Also, my write speeds seem to be very low.... getting about 510 for read, only about 330 for write. On sata6, AHCI, latest firmware. Is this normal for write speeds, I see some people getting 500+
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Werelds
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| Posted: Wed, 27th Feb 2013 19:34 Post subject: |
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| Intel_NVIDIA wrote: | it's a handy guide, but i wouldn't follow it blindly, there is too much general OS optimization and personal preference in it that has nothing at all to do with SSD (disable aero effects, run windows update, install antivirus). 
"System Setup after Installation" is the most useful part in that guide. |
It's quite overdone indeed.
This bit:
| Quote: | | (disable aero effects, run windows update, install antivirus) |
Goes like:
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tw1st
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| Posted: Wed, 27th Feb 2013 19:42 Post subject: |
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Very true, most of those steps are things I do normally when installing a new OS anyway. Already disabled services, turned off features updates...etc I think most of the guide is for nubs.
I wasn't aware of the hibernation file however, and also lowering the pagefile (shrunk mine to 1GB from 8GB) Saved my quiet a bit of space there, nearly 12GB.
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| Posted: Wed, 27th Feb 2013 20:04 Post subject: |
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tw1st you don't need a pagefile if your running 16gb of ram, disable it.
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tw1st
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| Posted: Thu, 28th Mar 2013 14:46 Post subject: |
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Just bought Plextor M5 Pro. My first SSD 
Can't wait. If I'm lucky I should get it on Saturday.
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Invasor
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| Posted: Thu, 2nd May 2013 04:35 Post subject: |
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I was wondering if the samsung SSDs are reliable?
I'm thinking about buying the 830 (or maybe the 840)... anybody heard about problems with it?
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| Posted: Thu, 2nd May 2013 09:15 Post subject: |
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samsung ssd are probably the most reliable and durable of them all. multiple torture tests confirm this, when other ssds crap out, samsung keeps on going and going (just don't buy TLC version)
and before usual types say that i talk out of my ass... you can find all the in depth details here http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?271063-SSD-Write-Endurance-25nm-Vs-34nm
(graphs in first page are outdated and don't show many latest models, but just keep reading the thread)
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Sin317
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| Posted: Thu, 2nd May 2013 09:43 Post subject: |
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| Sin317 wrote: | | 840 (non pro) is the laptop version. |
not really true, you can use it anywhere, in desktop pc if you want. difference between pro and non pro is nand type: MLC in pro vs TLC in non pro.
TLC is "bottom feeder" nand, it wears out and dies fastest etc. that's why such a price difference between samsung 840 pro and non pro.
even so, TLC version of 840 is good for like 1PB writes, that's still much more than anyone will ever write to SSD under normal usage. but knowing this fact i wouldn't get TLC anyway.
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Sin317
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| Posted: Thu, 2nd May 2013 11:38 Post subject: |
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Samsung 840 Pro Series 128GB SSD (2.5", Sata 6Gb/s)
#: 1872125
128 GB
max write 390 MB/Sec
150eur
Samsung 840 Pro Series 256GB SSD (2.5", Sata 6Gb/s)
#: 1872133
256 GB
max write 520 MB/Sec
250eur
Samsung 840 Pro Series 512GB SSD (2.5", Sata 6Gb/s)
#: 1920804
512 GB
max write 520 MB/Sec
500eur
why is the 128gb slower?! 
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| Posted: Thu, 2nd May 2013 11:42 Post subject: |
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I don't see the 512GB version going 800MB/s
| Lutzifer wrote: | | and yes, mine is only average |
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Werelds
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| Posted: Thu, 2nd May 2013 11:43 Post subject: |
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Because there's less NAND packages. An SSD controller gets its speed from writing to multiple NAND packages at the same time, rather than writing to just one.
That's also why they are so much faster with thousands of small files. Rather than only being able to read from 1 source (like a magnetic drive's head, although that's technically not 100% accurate either), they read from 8 or 16 places at the same time. Couple that with the fact that it's all electric and you can see that the only bottleneck is how many NAND packages you can fit together and how fast electricity "moves" 
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| Posted: Thu, 2nd May 2013 11:50 Post subject: |
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256gb is optimal ssd purchase today. with 128gb you always feel just a tiny bit short on space. i love my 128gb 830, but after windows and a few MP games that i always have installed, there isn't much more space left for anything else (maybe 2-3 SP games if you are lucky)
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Sin317
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| Posted: Thu, 2nd May 2013 11:53 Post subject: |
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yeah, 256 is already so-so sometimes, with games getting so fucking huge lol.
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| Posted: Thu, 2nd May 2013 12:04 Post subject: |
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I have 128gb plextor for c and steam and it is small. 100gb free after win7 and apps are installed.
Thankfully not much games need ssd. My hdd also got much faster since it is now free from system management
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| Posted: Thu, 2nd May 2013 19:35 Post subject: |
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Thanks for the info guys, I'll look for the 840 pro...
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| Posted: Thu, 2nd May 2013 20:56 Post subject: |
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good choice, you won't regret it
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