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Przepraszam
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YES YES YES. Got my first job interview on Tuesday 
I don't get my hopes high but you never know but still, so happy that finally someone called back/sent email at least.
Position is Application/Sales Engineer, but hey I will take anything at this point ehh
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Przepraszam
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| Posted: Thu, 14th Feb 2013 18:07 Post subject: |
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That would not work for. They are located in really remote areas. For example IBM is located at least 50 miles away from NYC. And I frankly rather not move to some remote area. I like NYC thank you very much. Plus most internships start in the Summer. Most companies have policy that internship only apply to current students and not recent graduates.
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| Posted: Thu, 14th Feb 2013 18:22 Post subject: |
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| Przepraszam wrote: | | That would not work for. They are located in really remote areas. For example IBM is located at least 50 miles away from NYC. And I frankly rather not move to some remote area. I like NYC thank you very much. Plus most internships start in the Summer. Most companies have policy that internship only apply to current students and not recent graduates. |
That surprises me. I'm from Sweden and only know about it here and I'm talking about the IT sector (Software Engineering). Most companies have summer jobs but those are only during the summer and yes they require that you are currently enrolled in a university program. But at the same time, many companies (large corporations to medium sized companies) offer internships that are designed for graduates with no experience at all.
They usually have well defined objectives, are 1 or 2 years. The goal is to introduce the graduate to the organization's structure and values while at the same time training to be future employees (Technical or Management). A lot of companies have this in the Nordic countries and from what I see they are really investing in such programs. The ultimate goal is to hire these trainees after 2 years as full time employees at the company.
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| Posted: Thu, 14th Feb 2013 18:27 Post subject: |
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start working your body instead of your mind,and maybe you ill find a job
| Sin317 wrote: | | while you can't "turn gay", you can cut off your balls. believe me, you'll never think of women again. |
| zmed wrote: | | Or just a defense mechanism. If you fart, you'll most definitely smell it so your brain tells you it ain't bad as strangerfarts. |
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| Posted: Thu, 14th Feb 2013 20:50 Post subject: |
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1. Make your resume stand out. Get Adobe InDesign and make something really fancy and different. Most people don't even try and just do a Word document converted to pdf. If you don't have experience at least you can make it look as if you're a worthy candidate.
2. If you can start working on the project of your own. List it on the resume as experience. Try to advertise it in communities that are interested in such a thing. You gain valuable experience and something to show for it. And interested parties might notice it. I got a ton of job offers this way, never even had to apply.
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| Posted: Thu, 14th Feb 2013 21:39 Post subject: |
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Before I ran my own companies, I got all of my jobs through networking. Tainted4eva has it spot on. I only hire through networking today, and as a company leader (who by far doesn't take as much home as my most experienced people) I can tell you, that the most important asset your company has is your people. Thus I chose all of them after very lengthy consideration and trials, gave them above average pay, and generally in six months already they make up with their good work for the higher pay I give them. I like my employees happy, motivated and appreciated - but hard and smart working at the same time, of course.
Why is this relevant? Your upcoming interview, that decides a lot of stuff, some pointers:
- don't try and bullshit around, they will notice. Fact.
- gather all the info you can get about the company, and make sure they understad, that you know exactly where you'd fit in, and why you would be useful in that position
- have goals. Don't act like one of those "nevermind" people, be enthusiastic about the job, and as a rookie, make them know, that you will work the extra hours
- act conservative (not ideologically). Act like someone, who's in control of their lives, not like a "tween", who's still figuring out what they want to be, when they grow up. Nothing is more irritating than today's generation failure to launch
- be punctual, keep every promise
Good luck mate!
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| Posted: Thu, 14th Feb 2013 22:11 Post subject: |
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Took me 2 years to find my first electrical engineer job. And i already had 6 years experience as a programmer (a job i had during university, and continued 2 years after). So you just have to be patient, never quit looking and trust yourself.
When i started the said job, they put in my arms a crapload of flowsheets, schematics, maintenance manuals and training manuals and told me to learn and understand them all. I also attended a lot of training sessions in their training facility - they varied from human performance lessons, to science (math, physics,etc.). After a year followed hands-on practice, real-life troubleshooting and calibrations mostly: current loops , component obsolescence issues, PID control loops, digital shaft encoders, potentiometer positioning loops, AC and DC electrical motors and drives, solenoid valves, relay logic and interlocks, alarm units, analog and digital comparators, etc. Great fun, and that's where i really learned engineering.
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tonizito
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| Posted: Thu, 14th Feb 2013 23:09 Post subject: |
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| BloodySpy wrote: | Took me 2 years to find my first electrical engineer job. And i already had 6 years experience as a programmer (a job i had during university, and continued 2 years after). So you just have to be patient, never quit looking and trust yourself.
When i started the said job, they put in my arms a crapload of flowsheets, schematics, maintenance manuals and training manuals and told me to learn and understand them all. I also attended a lot of training sessions in their training facility - they varied from human performance lessons, to science (math, physics,etc.). After a year followed hands-on practice, real-life troubleshooting and calibrations mostly: current loops , component obsolescence issues, PID control loops, digital shaft encoders, potentiometer positioning loops, AC and DC electrical motors and drives, solenoid valves, relay logic and interlocks, alarm units, analog and digital comparators, etc. Great fun, and that's where i really learned engineering. |
2 years huh... I spent 3 searching (while working at the same time on other jobs ofc) and now I think I pretty much gave up on looking.
I might try again later this year, but first I need to pay my fucking failed masters degree so i won't do shit until june 
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| Posted: Thu, 14th Feb 2013 23:21 Post subject: |
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| BearishSun wrote: | | 1. Make your resume stand out. Get Adobe InDesign and make something really fancy and different. Most people don't even try and just do a Word document converted to pdf. If you don't have experience at least you can make it look as if you're a worthy candidate. |
lol no.
He is not applying for a <whatever> manager or a designer position, he's an engineer.
My resume is a Word document in Times New Roman size 12 (pure white background, pure black letters) with titles in bold, which I export to PDF whenever I update it.
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ixigia
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| Posted: Thu, 14th Feb 2013 23:40 Post subject: |
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My biggest problem is, I always give the impression that I can do everything a little but nothing good (which is quite true  ), that and my innate inability to fake emotions.
When someone asks me to do something extra I can't really look excited, no matter how hard I try.  What can I do. xD
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| Posted: Fri, 15th Feb 2013 00:42 Post subject: |
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Lie about it, then when you get to the interview you tell them you "accidentally" wrote that in.
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| Posted: Fri, 15th Feb 2013 08:40 Post subject: |
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| Guy_Incognito wrote: |
He is not applying for a <whatever> manager or a designer position, he's an engineer.
My resume is a Word document in Times New Roman size 12 (pure white background, pure black letters) with titles in bold, which I export to PDF whenever I update it. |
Engineers should at least write in tex as any other sane person would do.
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spankie
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| Posted: Fri, 15th Feb 2013 10:30 Post subject: |
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| Guy_Incognito wrote: | | BearishSun wrote: | | 1. Make your resume stand out. Get Adobe InDesign and make something really fancy and different. Most people don't even try and just do a Word document converted to pdf. If you don't have experience at least you can make it look as if you're a worthy candidate. |
lol no.
He is not applying for a <whatever> manager or a designer position, he's an engineer.
My resume is a Word document in Times New Roman size 12 (pure white background, pure black letters) with titles in bold, which I export to PDF whenever I update it. |
What does that matter when your resume is read by HR sheep that don't know anything about the position you're applying for anyway. It will make yours stand out from the dozens they got that same day.
And it certainly won't hurt if an actual engineer reads it and sees you invested some effort in it, it tells him something about you.
I haven't had a chance to get any job applications for my company as I only recruited people I know so far, but when I do, I will most certainly expect them to invest some time in their resume, even if their job is engineering related.
EDIT: Now that I think about it I'd say the way resume looks tells me more about the person than the content of it. I know plenty of people that can list multiple pages of projects for big companies on their resume, but I know for a fact that they aren't very skilled, nor intelligent, as I went to college with them.
I'd rather hire someone smart and forward thinking than someone with a lot of experience. And that's a bit hard to judge but a nice resume tells me a little about that. If someone went a step further and made a video or a demo showing his skills, even better.
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ixigia
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| Posted: Fri, 15th Feb 2013 17:35 Post subject: |
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| spankie wrote: | Now my PhD is finished, I have shitloads of interviews lined up. First conclusions: Consultants are a bunch of morons.
During one of the interviews I was working numbers on a case regarding profit, losses, market research of a server production company and after 1 minute of calculating in my head I gave the guy the number he wanted. He then said 'I know you are a PhD and people generally expect you to say smart things, but not around here'. Just say what you will calculate and say you can't do it in your head. You will annoy recruiters away 
Neeeeeeext company please... |
You're obviously too good, and very dangerous too, since companies don't want anyone to interfere with their shady business.
Seriously, you seem to be the right guy to fix the Italian economic system! Deal? |
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| Posted: Fri, 15th Feb 2013 18:21 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Fri, 15th Feb 2013 19:02 Post subject: |
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Agreed, I hate them too, even a little InDesign helps so much ^^
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Przepraszam
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| Posted: Mon, 18th Feb 2013 04:47 Post subject: |
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So apperenty the company has two offices 
I hope, the address written in the email is the correct one
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| Posted: Mon, 18th Feb 2013 08:02 Post subject: |
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Hmmm a CV in InDesign, that's a good idea. I did mine in TeX, and it's rather pretty. I don't have much on it, but still
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Przepraszam
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| Posted: Thu, 4th Apr 2013 21:22 Post subject: |
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| ClaudeFTW wrote: | |
btw, got another job interview tomorrow. Really excited about this one. And this company actually does electrical designs etc..hope everything will go well  but like always don't get my hopes too high
Have to be there at 9.30am, probably gonna spend there few hours  
Wish me luck ! |
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Przepraszam
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| Posted: Fri, 5th Apr 2013 17:06 Post subject: |
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I have the worst luck ever. My interview was at 9.30 A.M. There were 5 more people showing up later today. Since I was first, I only got chance to speak to one person instead of three because they were too busy. I can bet $10 that they will be not busy when another person comes for an interview at around 11.30 A.M. /Shrug.
To make the matter worst, as guy finished asking me questions, he was walking me out of his office and his phone holder on his belt got between door and it totally broke. I can pretty much say goodbye.
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| Posted: Fri, 5th Apr 2013 17:52 Post subject: |
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wow. talk about rude and unprofessional - "too busy". Doing what? Certainly not, you know.. their job or anything. Sounds like a typical HR hatchet job (assuming it was HR lackeys you were dealing with). Sorry about the discouragement. I know it's ridiculous out there...
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| Posted: Fri, 5th Apr 2013 18:58 Post subject: |
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Przepraszam: what are you doing nowadays besides moving to find a job?
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Sin317
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| Posted: Fri, 5th Apr 2013 20:10 Post subject: |
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do what everybody does ...
LIE.
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Przepraszam
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| Posted: Fri, 5th Apr 2013 21:03 Post subject: |
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@StarSpeakNope. I was supposedly get interviewed by Three Partners. Not sure if they are owners of the company but are probably really high on the food chain. I only got chance spoke with one of them because something came up, in terms of power generator failure and they were busy trying to find solution.
Can't really blame them on that part. But it still sucks because the partner who interviewed me says he will pass along his comments etc but it is still different than talking with them face-to-face. I just hope rest 5 people who were supposed to get interviewed today will only get to speak to one partner, because if they speak to all three. Well I probably lost the job.
They will let me know if I qualified for second interview but I doubt anything will happen at this point.
@kumkss That is a good question. Trying to learn AutoCad on my own, which is quite hard. Other than that,   . I still have some money left over from the good days while being a student. Funny how that worked out, I had money while being a college student and now that I finished it, I barely have none.
I did not think my job search should take that long but from what I am reading/hearing a typical job search in U.S is about 6 months.
Oh well. I will get a lucky break eventually.
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ixigia
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| Posted: Fri, 5th Apr 2013 21:59 Post subject: |
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Damn, you've been so unlucky.. bad timing was bad.
But never say never, maybe that partner liked you a lot an spent nice words about you
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