[PS3] Ni No Kuni: Wrath of the White Witch
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Mister_s




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PostPosted: Mon, 4th Feb 2013 15:22    Post subject:
I don't have a problem with the setting (though I do think they went overboard with the kiddie stuff), the gameplay mechanics are just done to death by now. The jRPG genre must be one of the worst genres for innovation, ancient games like chrono trigger still do many things better than most modern jRPGs.
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The_Zeel




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PostPosted: Mon, 4th Feb 2013 15:26    Post subject:
its true that there is hardly innovation in the game, its supposed to be an old school jrpg with new graphics, which is great for fans of classic jrpgs, but not everyone´s cup of tea.
regarding innovation, xenoblade on wii is the most refreshing rpg in a long time, mixing the best aspects of jrpgs and wrpgs.
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Stormwolf




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PostPosted: Mon, 4th Feb 2013 15:29    Post subject:
The_Zeel wrote:
its true that there is hardly innovation in the game, its supposed to be an old school jrpg with new graphics, which is great for fans of classic jrpgs, but not everyone´s cup of tea.
regarding innovation, xenoblade on wii is the most refreshing rpg in a long time, mixing the best aspects of jrpgs and wrpgs.


And there is the reason for the high scores. Either reviewers are overly hyped from playing an old school game again or it's to push an agenda about traditional jrpg's still being the best in order for more to be developed.

That's what i think anyway Razz
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khaze




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PostPosted: Mon, 4th Feb 2013 15:31    Post subject:
Can someone provide me with a link for the latest gamedata app? (4.30 compatible)
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The_Zeel




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PostPosted: Mon, 4th Feb 2013 15:40    Post subject:
Stormwolf wrote:
The_Zeel wrote:
its true that there is hardly innovation in the game, its supposed to be an old school jrpg with new graphics, which is great for fans of classic jrpgs, but not everyone´s cup of tea.
regarding innovation, xenoblade on wii is the most refreshing rpg in a long time, mixing the best aspects of jrpgs and wrpgs.


And there is the reason for the high scores. Either reviewers are overly hyped from playing an old school game again or it's to push an agenda about traditional jrpg's still being the best in order for more to be developed.

That's what i think anyway Razz


its a matter of opinion, for me this game and xenoblade are the only 2 really great jrpgs of current console generation. xenoblade for its fresh new take on the genre, ni no kuni for its classic gameplay and re-introduction of some beloved but forgotten old aspects like a large overworld to traverse.

what i dont understand is people complaining about the game´s cartoony look because they cant relate to the characters.
so, you can relate to marcus fenix, you are an invincible 7 foot hulk of a man shooting thousands of locust to pieces?
you can also relate to a cod character because you ve lived through a real war campaign?
unlikely...
this simple character of a little boy is probably one of the most relatable characters of current gen gaming, but i guess people rather want to play super heroes and pretend they can relate to them
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Stormwolf




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PostPosted: Mon, 4th Feb 2013 15:47    Post subject:
What the fuck are you talking about? Laughing
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The_Zeel




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PostPosted: Mon, 4th Feb 2013 15:51    Post subject:
about potatoes Smile
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Stormwolf




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PostPosted: Mon, 4th Feb 2013 16:02    Post subject:
You honestly think people play gears of war because they can relate to Marcus Fenix? Dumbest thing i've read in a while Laughing
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The_Zeel




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PostPosted: Mon, 4th Feb 2013 16:14    Post subject:
so then why complain about not being able to relate to a character in this game specifically, when you cant relate to characters from any other games either?
its not a valid point of criticism if it is inherent in all of gaming.
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Stormwolf




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PostPosted: Mon, 4th Feb 2013 16:16    Post subject:
It was you who were talking about relating to characters, not me. I said i don't find a game based on toddlers to be fun in any way.
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The_Zeel




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PostPosted: Mon, 4th Feb 2013 16:27    Post subject:
not you, it was a reply to Prandur´s post

Quote:
I love jRPGs which allow you to even remotely connect with the characters (Lost Odyssey or Final Fantasy)... but I don't think I'll ever be able to enjoy playing as a 10-year old or w/e.
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Stormwolf




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PostPosted: Mon, 4th Feb 2013 16:29    Post subject:
But you haven't written any replies to him, but written them to me. You have me entirely confused.
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The_Zeel




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PostPosted: Mon, 4th Feb 2013 16:32    Post subject:
i did, right after his post.
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Stormwolf




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PostPosted: Mon, 4th Feb 2013 16:35    Post subject:
And i also replied. And if you think for a few seconds while thinking of your reply to him and my reply to yours you might actually understand why i thought you could relate.
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khaze




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PostPosted: Mon, 4th Feb 2013 16:49    Post subject:
khaze wrote:
Can someone provide me with a link for the latest gamedata app? (4.30 compatible)


Anyone...?
The pkg I tried installed it, but it didn't work (change to USB).
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The_Zeel




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PostPosted: Mon, 4th Feb 2013 17:22    Post subject:
try restarting the ps3, then switching to usb with gamedata.
whenever you open multiman, you need to restart the ps3 before you can switch with gamedata.
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Adebisi




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PostPosted: Mon, 4th Feb 2013 18:12    Post subject:
The_Zeel wrote:

i can relate to a little boy who lost his mother and is trying to get her back

me too, in fact i'm not a jrpg fan and didn't play one ever, but the setting in this game looks just amazing, and even that i'm not a jrpg player i must play this game. there is something about this game that reminds me a little the show 3000 leagues in search of mother, oliver looks a bit like marco rossi, the only show that made me cry Laughing anyhow i have no problem playing a "childish" game, i just played kameo last week and it was a great game, also lots of my favorite platform games like ratchet and clank, jak and daxter and others are a bit "childish". can't wait to finish my download Razz
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The_Zeel




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PostPosted: Mon, 4th Feb 2013 18:26    Post subject:
exactly, some of the best and most unique games of this gen, among them being the 2 ratchet and clank single player titles, have a child-like cartoonish design.
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Nailbiter
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PostPosted: Tue, 5th Feb 2013 00:43    Post subject:
Playing this with my 5 year old daughter. We both think it´s a great adventure!
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Prandur




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PostPosted: Tue, 5th Feb 2013 02:20    Post subject:
The_Zeel wrote:
so then why complain about not being able to relate to a character in this game specifically, when you cant relate to characters from any other games either?
its not a valid point of criticism if it is inherent in all of gaming.


Of course I can't relate to the main characters in GoW or CoD or other modern FPS shooters... that's why I never touched any of those games. I can, on some level, relate to most main protagonists in RPGs - but not to kids, that's simply a dealbreaker for me.

Keep in mind that games are a matter of taste. I'm sure others will love the game as it is... but I personally consider it a pity that the authors didn't choose a more "neutral" setting.
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Mister_s




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PostPosted: Tue, 5th Feb 2013 20:10    Post subject:
The game does seem to open up after the first few hours. It's deeper than it seems at first glance. I have two questions. I can't seem to open the wiards companion. I try to open it via the menu, but it closes immediatley after showing me something transparent. I also do not understand how I can give my familiar a treat.

edit: well it appears even console game cracks have "propers", the book works fine now Smile
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The_Zeel




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PostPosted: Tue, 5th Feb 2013 22:00    Post subject:
you go to the "cage" icon in the menu, then choose a familiar and a treat to give him.
notice that treats arent simply edibles like sandwiches or bread that your characters use for healing, treats are sweets like chocolate, ice cream etc. that have their own category and can only be used for that.

btw, had a run of 15-20 hrs on the psn version without a freeze, then i got to the ice dungeon on the northwestern continent and had like 6 freezes in it alone.
it was a struggle to beat the boss and just get the fuck out of it, and since then, which has been like 5 hrs so far, not a single freeze anymore, weird...
can anyone else report whether they had any issues with that dungeon or not?

EDIT: also when i revisit the dungeon now for a sidequests, it will keep freezing like before, once i leave it i can play normally without any freezing, so it definitely has something to do with the damn dungeon itself.
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khaze




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PostPosted: Tue, 5th Feb 2013 22:59    Post subject:
The_Zeel wrote:
try restarting the ps3, then switching to usb with gamedata.
whenever you open multiman, you need to restart the ps3 before you can switch with gamedata.


It didn't work :/

(I had no problems in the dungeon north of yule)
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Mister_s




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PostPosted: Wed, 6th Feb 2013 12:31    Post subject:
Last question guys. I don't understand the sign thing. At first I thought it was like pokemon, every element has a countering element. I however don't see any extra damage or less damage when I try to use my familiars accordingly. What exactly are these signs good for?

I revise my previous opinion, the game is pretty good. It does however starting to look like I'll have to do a lot of backtracking later on, I really hope that's not the case.
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The_Zeel




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PostPosted: Wed, 6th Feb 2013 15:00    Post subject:
yep signs do play a role, basically sun > moon > star > sun (there is also a 4th rare one, planet, but thats a bit more complicated).
though it doesnt guarantee that you will always do more damage with a sun character against a moon character, since the elements also play a role (physical, light, dark, fire, water, wind).
the effectiveness of your attacks is shown by the colour of the damage number:
white is standard, orange is effective, blue is ineffective.
in tougher battles you can switch between your familiars and let each of them land a hit to see who is the most effective.

and dont worry about the backtracking, later on you will have means of airborne travel and even better: instant teleportation to all visited towns and dungeons.
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Mister_s




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PostPosted: Fri, 8th Feb 2013 23:15    Post subject:
This shit be addicting. It opened up very nicely and it's a lot of fun. How far am I into the game if I got mornstar?
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The_Zeel




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PostPosted: Sat, 9th Feb 2013 01:38    Post subject:
around 1/3 of main story or less i d say.
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Mister_s




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PostPosted: Sat, 9th Feb 2013 11:50    Post subject:
This part took me 17 hours. Nice.

I must admit that I am loving this game. It lacks innovation and technically it's quite weak, but the gameplay is very addictive and interesting. I still do not like the childish setting (Oliver is a real retard at times and drippy can be a major dick), but it's doable. One of the best jRPGs I've played (though I haven't played that many).
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mace999




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PostPosted: Tue, 12th Feb 2013 04:53    Post subject:
I was playing the original release of this which hanged now and again on external, maybe once a day .... I could live with that cos I didn't want to download 22gb again on Thailands shitty internet ..........

Butttttttt 55 hours in the game hung again, while it was saving Fuckkkkkkkkkkkkkkkikkkkkkkkkkk

I was in the last palace just before fighting the White witch, no was am I gonna play it all again ..... I lost a 30 hour Dragons Dogma save once but this is my new record, 55 hours Sad
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CooperS




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PostPosted: Tue, 12th Feb 2013 08:22    Post subject:
You're telling me you were aware of game crashing and you used a single save slot instead of revolving 3-4 save slots? You were asking for it...
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