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PostPosted: Fri, 1st Feb 2013 19:45    Post subject: LGA1155 or LGA2011
So I was thinking of upgrading my pc once again. Ive got quite good stuff, but I'd like to get a new motherboard and cpu. I need a motherboard that supports my Corsair Vengeance DDR3 1866MHz 32GB CL10 and tripple sli.

So I was looking at various things and found this cpu interesting:

Intel® Core i7-3930K Processor
Socket-LGA2011, 6-Core, 3.2GHz, 12MB, 130W, Boxed, no fan included

The thing is - I was hoping to buy a new motherboard first and then the cpu abit laters...but my current cpu (i7-2600k) use LGA1155 while the one I just mentioned use LGA2011.

So my question is should I wait and buy the cpu at the same time as I buy a new motherboard or get a new LGA1155 and some other cpu later on that use LGA1155?
I've heard that using 3-way or 4-way sli its better to use LGA2011..is this true?

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PostPosted: Fri, 1st Feb 2013 19:50    Post subject:
i would advice against such "sidegrade", because your CPU is already very good, and new intel CPUs are coming later this year. but based on your post money is no problem for you so go nuts
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PostPosted: Fri, 1st Feb 2013 19:55    Post subject:
three 680?
go LGA2011 for sure
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PostPosted: Fri, 1st Feb 2013 20:08    Post subject:
Imo not worth to "upgrade" to 3930K, good mobo and that costs fortune (no performance increase in games).
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PostPosted: Fri, 1st Feb 2013 21:00    Post subject:
Architectural differences could help multi-GPU setups (PCI Lanes and all that, my understanding is pretty limited other than the basics.) but the i7-2600 still holds up really well in most situations and with the upcoming CPU's (Haswell was it?) it might be better to hold off on any larger upgrades for now but it's just a suggestion. Smile
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PostPosted: Fri, 1st Feb 2013 21:12    Post subject:
Breezer_ wrote:
Imo not worth to "upgrade" to 3930K, good mobo and that costs fortune (no performance increase in games).


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PostPosted: Fri, 1st Feb 2013 21:45    Post subject:
KaSssss wrote:
three 680?
go LGA2011 for sure


Nah 3xEvga GeForce GTX 570 Superclocked.

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PostPosted: Fri, 1st Feb 2013 21:47    Post subject:
JBeckman wrote:
Architectural differences could help multi-GPU setups (PCI Lanes and all that, my understanding is pretty limited other than the basics.) but the i7-2600 still holds up really well in most situations and with the upcoming CPU's (Haswell was it?) it might be better to hold off on any larger upgrades for now but it's just a suggestion. Smile


Yeah I suppose - but I need a new motherboard to use my memory at its full capacity.

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PostPosted: Fri, 1st Feb 2013 23:50    Post subject:
From what I've read Haswell is more about replacing ATOM by lowering power consumption etc..

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With its long term viability threatened, Haswell is the first step of a long term solution to the ARM problem. While Atom was the first "fast-enough" x86 micro-architecture from Intel, Haswell takes a different approach to the problem. Rather than working from the bottom up, Haswell is Intel's attempt to take its best micro-architecture and drive power as low as possible.

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PostPosted: Thu, 7th Feb 2013 20:33    Post subject:
My motherboard broke , so I ordered this:

EVGA Z68 FTW E-ATX
Intel Core i7 3770K 3,5Ghz

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PostPosted: Thu, 7th Feb 2013 20:44    Post subject:
What socket are the Ivy's? No difference between i5's or i7's? Are Ivy i7's compatible with 1155? or is Z68 a 2011 socket?

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PostPosted: Thu, 7th Feb 2013 20:46    Post subject:
Frant wrote:
What socket are the Ivy's? No difference between i5's or i7's? Are Ivy i7's compatible with 1155? or is Z68 a 2011 socket?


1155 in this case

Edit: only bad thing is that it has only 16gb support....which means I will only be able to use half of my 32 Sad
...not that it will affect much Very Happy

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PostPosted: Thu, 7th Feb 2013 21:09    Post subject:
Not sure if it matters - but its nice that both my gfx cards and my motherboard are from the same manufacturer (evga)

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PostPosted: Fri, 8th Feb 2013 12:59    Post subject:
You should have bought Z77 board for that 3770K :/
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PostPosted: Fri, 8th Feb 2013 14:29    Post subject:
Breezer_ wrote:
You should have bought Z77 board for that 3770K :/


maybe - but this mb seem to be really good and its nice with
the multiple x16 pci-e

Edit: Ah yes, and it has less heat.

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PostPosted: Mon, 11th Feb 2013 23:29    Post subject:
lol I have to flash the bios on my new motherboard for it to be able to use the 3770K..

this is entertaining since they actually suggest this cpu when you buy the motherboard Very Happy but they failed to mention that Ivy bridge requires a later bios to work Razz
Thank god I had my 2600k still - had to put it on the new motherboard, flash the bios and then swap to the 3770k cpu. Pathetic Razz

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PostPosted: Tue, 12th Feb 2013 00:35    Post subject:
Well thats why i recommended the Z77 Razz So what you actually gained from switching 2600K to 3770K? Like 5% difference in real world? Smile Gz for the purchase anyway, but you should have just bought new mobo, the CPU was already damn fast. Also 8x vs 16x is like 1% difference at most. How the 3770K overclocks, and what about your "old" 2600K?. I recommend atleast 4.5Ghz overclocks with Tri-SLI, to avoid any bottlenecks (might be hard on the 3770K, depends on cooling and the actual chip itself).
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PostPosted: Tue, 12th Feb 2013 09:29    Post subject:
I've got nice watercooling so the heat should be no problem - ill give it a go later tonight. I got pretty good OC with the 26ook and expect to reach atleast something similar with this one.

The Z68 is supposedly better than the z77 when it comes to heat and OC according to evga's forums.

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PostPosted: Tue, 12th Feb 2013 09:41    Post subject:
Maybe NB/VRM runs cooler than Z77, but the CPU itself runs on any P67/Z68/Z77 mobo at same temperatures. Only way to reduce temperature on Ivy Bridge is to delid it, and put better thermal paste between IHS and core itself (did this to friends 3570K, and load temperature dropped like 10-15C with Noctua NT-H1 paste). But yeah, good watercooling is recommended for ze Ivy if not delidded, so you are good to go (still runs hot like hell tho Very Happy).
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PostPosted: Tue, 12th Feb 2013 10:36    Post subject:
If you delid your Ivy then IMO you should put the cooler in direct contact to the CPU itself and remove the IHS completely, this will give you insanely good temperatures compared to running with the IHS, even if you do change the paste on it.
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PostPosted: Tue, 12th Feb 2013 13:05    Post subject:
Stige wrote:
If you delid your Ivy then IMO you should put the cooler in direct contact to the CPU itself and remove the IHS completely, this will give you insanely good temperatures compared to running with the IHS, even if you do change the paste on it.


Which is a rather dangerous thing to do. I've been slightly clumsy way back in the past when the silicon lay bare and put on a heat sink the tiniest slight bit off and broke off 1/10th of a millimetre of a corner of the silicon (nearly impossible to see except under a lens). Dead CPU.

I really don't get what Intel was thinking of when they cheaped out on the IHS/Silicon bonding paste, something that worked fine with the Sandys. Saving money? I wonder how many Ivy's that have been sent back due to that paticular serious flaw.

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PostPosted: Tue, 12th Feb 2013 14:23    Post subject:
Another reason to wait for Haswell in May-June..

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PostPosted: Tue, 12th Feb 2013 15:00    Post subject:
thudo wrote:
Another reason to wait for Haswell in May-June..


I have no higher expecations from Haswell since it's all about low power with a plan to be a better choice than ATOM for powerful smartphones and tablets, ie. they're focusing on bringing more performance for as little power as possible.

In fact, it feels like the tick-tock development schedule has introduced a tack to the development cycle, ie. tick (new architecture)-tock (shrink and some optimization)-tack (new low power x86 for portable devices).

I may be wrong but that's what I've found so far when I've researched what's out there about Haswell..

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With Haswell, Intel will introduce a new low-power processor designed for convertible or 'hybrid' Ultrabooks, having the Y suffix. Intel demonstrated a working Haswell chip at the 2011 Intel Developer Forum.


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The Performance version,

Compared to Ivy Bridge (expected):
At least 10% sequential CPU performance increase (8 execution ports per core versus 6).
Up to double the performance of the integrated GPU. (Haswell GT3 vs Ivy Bridge HD4000)


10% sequential performance increase? That's barely worth mentioning. Double performance integrated GPU? Well, I guess it's good news for note- and ultra books. Anyone interested in performance on a PC would run a discrete GPU at any rate so I wonder why they don't just release their highest performing chips with no GPU and replace the empty surface with more L1/L2/L3 cache and a tweaked fetcher. GPU-on-CPU.. such a waste of silicon space for performance parts.

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PostPosted: Wed, 13th Feb 2013 01:35    Post subject:
I suppose but when moving from a Conroe E6700 from '06.. Wink Yeah.. Ancient Alien tech.. Sad

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PostPosted: Wed, 13th Feb 2013 09:17    Post subject:
Frant wrote:
10% sequential performance increase? That's barely worth mentioning.

10% compared to ivy is not nothing, imo. if you upgrade from, let's say sandy bridge 2500K, you should see about 20% performance increase clock for clock. now take into account that haswell should run much cooler which in theory should make it amazing overclocker (chief designer for haswell said it will be overclockers dream) and you get a worthy upgrade for people with sandy or older cpus. Smile
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PostPosted: Wed, 13th Feb 2013 09:52    Post subject:
Tho if you already have Sandy Bridge, there is no reason to upgrade for anything, unless you want couple seconds faster to encode videos. And overclocking is never guaranteed, every chip is different. Gonna skip haswell completely, waiting for upgrade which is similar when i upgraded from 4.2Ghz Phenom II x6 to 2500K.
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PostPosted: Wed, 13th Feb 2013 11:42    Post subject:
Breezer_ wrote:
Tho if you already have Sandy Bridge, there is no reason to upgrade for anything, unless you want couple seconds faster to encode videos. And overclocking is never guaranteed, every chip is different. Gonna skip haswell completely, waiting for upgrade which is similar when i upgraded from 4.2Ghz Phenom II x6 to 2500K.


Yeah I know that much - pretty much everyone I know are hardware freaks and spend thousands on getting THE best hardware to OC. Infact, OC is something I hear about daily on skype/msn/facebook Razz

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