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| Stige wrote: | | Badrien wrote: | | So all I need now is a cpu cooler that will keep this at <70 overclocked without too much noise around the 40 euro pricerange xD if that exists |
I posted above that the Thermalright TrueSpirit is propably the best bang for buck you can get atm, only costs around ~25€ and beats a lot of other expensive coolers in testing.
Add a second fan to it and you got a monster cooler considering the price of it.
Highest temps I get in IBT are 89C at 5GHz/1.46V |
Friend has it aswell, its on par with half more expensive NH-U12P SE2 cooler. Very good for its price.
Damn i got sweet 2700K, currently running at 5Ghz HT on @ 1.425V Max temperature in IBT was 72C when H100i is at performance mode (still very silent). Need to do Prime blend for overnight, but seems to be stable (usually i just run LinX or Burntest and gaming, if it survives that its enough for me). Need to master this MIVE bios, probably needs less voltage, this is so different to Asrock bios.
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| Posted: Fri, 4th Jan 2013 12:02 Post subject: |
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| couleur wrote: | Apparently ASROCK cheaped out on some components (DPAK MOSFETS) on the Z77 Extreme 4 (according to this post) so they produce alot of heat at higher OCs on Sandy-Bridge (SB draws more power than Ivy-Bridge even if the CPU itself is cooler). (hence the price of the board) This thread might also help. From what I gather, the ASROCK should be ok for you if you dont go 4.8+ on Sandy-Bridge (which, I believe is unlikely anyway), and it should do anything you want with the 3570K (where you'll be limited by the CPU heat long before).
The Gigabyte should be good for your overclocking needs aswell.
So, in the end, I think either board will be good enough for you. This post may have been more confusing than helpful. 
As for the cooling, I already gave you my recommendation.  |
hhmm ya I am pretty sure about a 3570K now, the board lol its hard. I really want the SLI to be able to add a 2nd 560 later instead of having to upgrade to a new card. and I want to get the dedicated physx thing going. but if I go for the 3570K the extreme4 board will be fine? the gigabyte one was local but i cant seem to find that one anymore(just a mobile version). I did however find the extreme4 4 locally for 125.
I wouldnt want a mobile board right? Assume those are not for overclocking n such. or is it really just the same thing without the extra pcie slots?
I run a 560gtx-ti now and im thinkinh that by the time ill upgrade that its time for a whole new card anyways and not a 2nd 560. But if the dedicated physx doesnt work on the x4 slots either then I guess I'd do really want the sli board.
The Macho looks quite decent, but the temps you posted are a bit above my comfort zone. any idea how it matches upto so say a scythe mugen 3?
| Stige wrote: | | Badrien wrote: | | So all I need now is a cpu cooler that will keep this at <70 overclocked without too much noise around the 40 euro pricerange xD if that exists |
I posted above that the Thermalright TrueSpirit is propably the best bang for buck you can get atm, only costs around ~25€ and beats a lot of other expensive coolers in testing.
Add a second fan to it and you got a monster cooler considering the price of it.
Highest temps I get in IBT are 89C at 5GHz/1.46V |
The truespirit is smaller than the one I currently have, how does it match up to the macho?
What about something like a Antec h20 620 ? 53 euros or a corsair h55? . quite a bit more than the pricerange, but if it offers greatly better temps it might be worth looking into. especially if I decide to not go for a SLI board I could put that extra cash in the cooler. one of those closed loop liquid things sounds interesting.
Sorry for the extra load of questions again, and thanks so much for the help so far=) Its been very valuable and is greatly appreciated
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| Posted: Fri, 4th Jan 2013 12:20 Post subject: |
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| Badrien wrote: | | couleur wrote: | Apparently ASROCK cheaped out on some components (DPAK MOSFETS) on the Z77 Extreme 4 (according to this post) so they produce alot of heat at higher OCs on Sandy-Bridge (SB draws more power than Ivy-Bridge even if the CPU itself is cooler). (hence the price of the board) This thread might also help. From what I gather, the ASROCK should be ok for you if you dont go 4.8+ on Sandy-Bridge (which, I believe is unlikely anyway), and it should do anything you want with the 3570K (where you'll be limited by the CPU heat long before).
The Gigabyte should be good for your overclocking needs aswell.
So, in the end, I think either board will be good enough for you. This post may have been more confusing than helpful.
As for the cooling, I already gave you my recommendation. |
hhmm ya I am pretty sure about a 3570K now, the board lol its hard. I really want the SLI to be able to add a 2nd 560 later instead of having to upgrade to a new card. and I want to get the dedicated physx thing going. but if I go for the 3570K the extreme4 board will be fine? the gigabyte one was local but i cant seem to find that one anymore(just a mobile version). I did however find the extreme4 4 locally for 125.
I wouldnt want a mobile board right? Assume those are not for overclocking n such. or is it really just the same thing without the extra pcie slots?
I run a 560gtx-ti now and im thinkinh that by the time ill upgrade that its time for a whole new card anyways and not a 2nd 560. But if the dedicated physx doesnt work on the x4 slots either then I guess I'd do really want the sli board.
The Macho looks quite decent, but the temps you posted are a bit above my comfort zone. any idea how it matches upto so say a scythe mugen 3?
| Stige wrote: | | Badrien wrote: | | So all I need now is a cpu cooler that will keep this at <70 overclocked without too much noise around the 40 euro pricerange xD if that exists |
I posted above that the Thermalright TrueSpirit is propably the best bang for buck you can get atm, only costs around ~25€ and beats a lot of other expensive coolers in testing.
Add a second fan to it and you got a monster cooler considering the price of it.
Highest temps I get in IBT are 89C at 5GHz/1.46V |
The truespirit is smaller than the one I currently have, how does it match up to the macho?
What about something like a Antec h20 620 ? 53 euros or a corsair h55? . quite a bit more than the pricerange, but if it offers greatly better temps it might be worth looking into. especially if I decide to not go for a SLI board I could put that extra cash in the cooler. one of those closed loop liquid things sounds interesting.
Sorry for the extra load of questions again, and thanks so much for the help so far=) Its been very valuable and is greatly appreciated |
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1657/6/
I guess that is the most comprehensive review out there for it.
Another one is here: http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/Thermalright-True-Spirit-120-CPU-Cooler-Review/1420/6
Seems pretty neck and neck with H20 620, and if you add a second cooler to the TrueSpirit you are looking at insane temp drops there (Mine went from 98C during IBT to 86-87C simply by adding a second cooler).
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| Posted: Fri, 4th Jan 2013 12:32 Post subject: |
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Hows the nosie though? After looking at the review it certainly is alot bigger than the pics at my retailers site made it out to be. What about that 2nd fan, wont that interfere with the back exhaust fan? and I dont have any more slots left in my fan controller, does it come with a way to control it? Dont want to have it running at 100 all the time.
couldnt I just add a fan to one of those closed liquid solutions for extra cooling too? these closed thngs not that good then if theres air that beats em? or in other words, it seems strange the truespirit beats everything at the 60 price range lol
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| Posted: Fri, 4th Jan 2013 12:35 Post subject: |
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| Badrien wrote: |
hhmm ya I am pretty sure about a 3570K now, the board lol its hard. I really want the SLI to be able to add a 2nd 560 later instead of having to upgrade to a new card. and I want to get the dedicated physx thing going. but if I go for the 3570K the extreme4 board will be fine? the gigabyte one was local but i cant seem to find that one anymore(just a mobile version). I did however find the extreme4 4 locally for 125. |
Both the proposed boards support Sli (ASrock Extreme 4 and the gigabyte one), so there should not be a problem.
http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.de.asp?Model=Z77%20Extreme4
http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=4144#ov
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I wouldnt want a mobile board right? Assume those are not for overclocking n such. or is it really just the same thing without the extra pcie slots? |
First of all, those M boards are not "mobile" boards but Micro-ATX boards. They are smaller versions that fit into smaller cases. Normally they should perform on par with the other boards, but, as always it depends on the components they use.
Which M board did you mean specifically?
| Badrien wrote: |
I run a 560gtx-ti now and im thinkinh that by the time ill upgrade that its time for a whole new card anyways and not a 2nd 560. But if the dedicated physx doesnt work on the x4 slots either then I guess I'd do really want the sli board. |
I prefer only single cards myself but that is a matter of taste.
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The Macho looks quite decent, but the temps you posted are a bit above my comfort zone. any idea how it matches upto so say a scythe mugen 3?
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I couldnt say personally, though I think it's more due to the CPU than the cooler, the i5 3570K will run hotter than the i5 2500K no matter what. Or it may just be my setup.
This review sounds pretty good, but there are certainly aternatives.
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| Posted: Fri, 4th Jan 2013 12:44 Post subject: |
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The extreme4 M specifcially. But I prolly want to get an audio card at some point so will just shell out a lil more.
I've always preferred single cards too, but I do want to at least try a dedicated physx setup.
Any idea wether dedicated physx will work on a crossfire board or does this require a SLI capable board too? if so i'd really have to go for one of those. else i can just go with the cheaper pro 4.
that review indeed sounds pretty good, Wish they had included the truespirit too so i can see how those 2 match up against each other. can you add a 2nd fan to the macho too?
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| Posted: Fri, 4th Jan 2013 12:45 Post subject: |
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| Badrien wrote: | Hows the nosie though? After looking at the review it certainly is alot bigger than the pics at my retailers site made it out to be. What about that 2nd fan, wont that interfere with the back exhaust fan? and I dont have any more slots left in my fan controller, does it come with a way to control it? Dont want to have it running at 100 all the time.
couldnt I just add a fan to one of those closed liquid solutions for extra cooling too? these closed thngs not that good then if theres air that beats em? or in other words, it seems strange the truespirit beats everything at the 60 price range lol |
The stock fan on it makes no noise that I can hear, the second fan I put on it is the fan from my Sonata III which has adjustable speeds on it, I just run it on Medium (Lo/Med/Hi) constantly as you can't really make it out of the other noises when on Medium.
My case is on it's side on my desk and the side panel is open always, the case is just awful when it comes to air flow so it is a lot better for me this way.
Adding the second cooler shouldn't cause any issues with your rear fan, should still be plenty of space left there between the CPU fan and the rear fan.
And yeah you are right about the closed loop stuff being so-and-so, especially the cheaper ones are just not very good. If you wan't one of those then I suppose H100 is a realistic alternative that might actually be worth it but it costs closer to 100€ I think?
EDIT: Here is a little review that I could find with both coolers in it: http://www.cowcotland.com/articles/1068-3/thermalright-true-spirit-140-simplement-la-nouvelle-reference.html
Granted that is the 140mm version of TrueSpirit but the temps between the 120 and 140 are a few degrees max.
Suprisingly to me, the Push/Pull setup on that 140 version does nearly nothing to the temps when I got very good benefits out of the second fan on the 120 
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| Posted: Fri, 4th Jan 2013 12:54 Post subject: |
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How does it beat the macho by 5 degrees with such a smaller heatsink? What sorcery is this?
How do you adjust the speed on the sonata then? one of those internal switch thingys? something like that wont work for me, and no room on fanctroller so dont think the 2nd fan is a viable option for me
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| Posted: Fri, 4th Jan 2013 13:13 Post subject: |
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Aye chassis fan is what I meant. should be fine then.
Just noticed that the truespirit 120 and 140 are actually diff aside from the fan too, 140 seems ot have more heatpipes. and is actually heavier than the macho. That one is looking damn interesting, wonder if Ill be able to find that locally.
Reading here you dont need a SLI motherboard to use a dedicated physx card. so will probably go for the cheaper pro4 and then pay some more for cooling. I never really liked the idea of SLI, just figured it would be *futureproof*
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| Posted: Fri, 4th Jan 2013 13:33 Post subject: |
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Both the pro4 and the Extreme4-M have a power phase design that isnt suited for overclocking. I wouldnt touch them I wanted to do serious overclocking.
And If you dont want to overclock it, you dont need a special cooler.
The Macho is a little hotter because it is designed for silence aswell. The fan runs at 600rpm most of the time and goes up to 900 when the cpu gets hotter. The cooler is designed for slower fans, thats why it's bigger. So you get decent cooling and silence at the same time.
It sits pretty close to the rear exhaust fan, so I'm not sure you really need to attach another one to it.
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| Posted: Fri, 4th Jan 2013 14:11 Post subject: |
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oh I definitely want to overclock, any crossfire(no sli tho) boards that excell in overclocking around the pro4 price range you can reccomend?
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It's going to be difficult to get boards that excell in overclocking at that pricerange. (I cant seem to find any, sorry) I can understand that you want the best board for the best price. But at that pricerange, manufacturers usually use the most basic power phase designs. Sure, most of the boards will allow for a mild overclock, but they are simply not made with high OCs in mind.
If your budget is really that thight, I think the best you can do is either get that Gigabyte GA-Z77X-D3H and have a suitably good overclocking potential (up to 5Ghz on i5 2500K f.e.). Or the Asrock z77 extreme 4 with a 3570K (up to 4.8Ghz). Or invest even a little bit more into the board but go for an i5 2500K right away. The PCIe 3.0 is nothing you'd ever need anyway and the 2500Ks overclocking potential easily makes up for the 10% performance surplus of the i5 3570K. Its not like you are going to notice it in your games anyway. You could even just take a board from the Sandy-Bridge generation. You'll get it a bit cheaper even.
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If your budget is tight I don't know why you'd even care about overclocking.
i3 3220 + decent z77 mATX board and call it a day. The I3 3220 is substantially faster then the old i7 920 and it only costs 120 bucks. Not incredibly future proof, but you are still on Z77 and Ivy which means PCI-E 3.0 and two native SATA III ports + Virtu and all that other shit.
Honestly, CPU's are so fast these days that overclocking has become largely irrelevant unless you are one of those people that likes benchmarking and e-peen measuring. Why bother wasting the money on the more expensive CPU's that have the unlocked multipliers and the higher end boards if the overclock is going to give a largely irrelevant performance gain anyways. Unless you are doing lots of transcoding or something that needs the brute CPU power.
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| Posted: Fri, 4th Jan 2013 15:01 Post subject: |
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| couleur wrote: | It's going to be difficult to get boards that excell in overclocking at that pricerange. (I cant seem to find any, sorry) I can understand that you want the best board for the best price. But at that pricerange, manufacturers usually use the most basic power phase designs. Sure, most of the boards will allow for a mild overclock, but they are simply not made with high OCs in mind.
If your budget is really that thight, I think the best you can do is either get that Gigabyte GA-Z77X-D3H and have a suitably good overclocking potential (up to 5Ghz on i5 2500K f.e.). Or the Asrock z77 extreme 4 with a 3570K (up to 4.8Ghz). Or invest even a little bit more into the board but go for an i5 2500K right away. The PCIe 3.0 is nothing you'd ever need anyway and the 2500Ks overclocking potential easily makes up for the 10% performance surplus of the i5 3570K. Its not like you are going to notice it in your games anyway. You could even just take a board from the Sandy-Bridge generation. You'll get it a bit cheaper even. |
Yeah 2500K would propably be a better choice as they are both equal when it comes to gaming performance, 2500K just overclocks a lot better on same cooling.
The motherboard I have is one of the best you could get for SB and it only costs like 130€ in here atleast.
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| Posted: Fri, 4th Jan 2013 15:06 Post subject: |
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| Stige wrote: | | couleur wrote: | It's going to be difficult to get boards that excell in overclocking at that pricerange. (I cant seem to find any, sorry) I can understand that you want the best board for the best price. But at that pricerange, manufacturers usually use the most basic power phase designs. Sure, most of the boards will allow for a mild overclock, but they are simply not made with high OCs in mind.
If your budget is really that thight, I think the best you can do is either get that Gigabyte GA-Z77X-D3H and have a suitably good overclocking potential (up to 5Ghz on i5 2500K f.e.). Or the Asrock z77 extreme 4 with a 3570K (up to 4.8Ghz). Or invest even a little bit more into the board but go for an i5 2500K right away. The PCIe 3.0 is nothing you'd ever need anyway and the 2500Ks overclocking potential easily makes up for the 10% performance surplus of the i5 3570K. Its not like you are going to notice it in your games anyway. You could even just take a board from the Sandy-Bridge generation. You'll get it a bit cheaper even. |
Yeah 2500K would propably be a better choice as they are both equal when it comes to gaming performance, 2500K just overclocks a lot better on same cooling.
The motherboard I have is one of the best you could get for SB and it only costs like 130€ in here atleast. |
Given the way games are shaping up and for future proofing i'd much rather go Ivy and get PCI-E 3.0 then have the little more CPU power from the overclock. A single GTX 680 gets like a 5-7% performance gain with the additional bandwidth of PCI-E 3.0, and thats a current gen card. So it's not a big deal now, but i'd much rather have the PCI-E 3.0 support for future GPU's then give two shits about the minor gains i'd get from overclocking for gaming.
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| Posted: Fri, 4th Jan 2013 15:12 Post subject: |
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| Mchart wrote: | | Stige wrote: | | couleur wrote: | It's going to be difficult to get boards that excell in overclocking at that pricerange. (I cant seem to find any, sorry) I can understand that you want the best board for the best price. But at that pricerange, manufacturers usually use the most basic power phase designs. Sure, most of the boards will allow for a mild overclock, but they are simply not made with high OCs in mind.
If your budget is really that thight, I think the best you can do is either get that Gigabyte GA-Z77X-D3H and have a suitably good overclocking potential (up to 5Ghz on i5 2500K f.e.). Or the Asrock z77 extreme 4 with a 3570K (up to 4.8Ghz). Or invest even a little bit more into the board but go for an i5 2500K right away. The PCIe 3.0 is nothing you'd ever need anyway and the 2500Ks overclocking potential easily makes up for the 10% performance surplus of the i5 3570K. Its not like you are going to notice it in your games anyway. You could even just take a board from the Sandy-Bridge generation. You'll get it a bit cheaper even. |
Yeah 2500K would propably be a better choice as they are both equal when it comes to gaming performance, 2500K just overclocks a lot better on same cooling.
The motherboard I have is one of the best you could get for SB and it only costs like 130€ in here atleast. |
Given the way games are shaping up and for future proofing i'd much rather go Ivy and get PCI-E 3.0 then have the little more CPU power from the overclock. A single GTX 680 gets like a 5-7% performance gain with the additional bandwidth of PCI-E 3.0, and thats a current gen card. So it's not a big deal now, but i'd much rather have the PCI-E 3.0 support for future GPU's then give two shits about the minor gains i'd get from overclocking for gaming. |
You get more gains from overclocking your CPU than upgrading from PCI-E2.0 to 3.0.
The gain from going from 2.0 to 3.0 is nothing basicly (Talking about 1-2 FPS).
And in the future if you are upgrading your GPU then you should be upgrading your CPU/Motherboard aswell for the next generation Intel CPUs (Here I am hoping they won't be as bad as Ivys for consumers).
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Indeed, you have a point there. Still, the overclocking potential on the Ivy/Sandy-Briges is not negligible. If you can go from 3.4 to 4.4Ghz easily, that is alot of performance and adds to the futerproof system you want.
Why are you so sure that the gains you'll get with PCIe 3.0 are going to outweight the 30+% increase in CPU performance?
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| Posted: Fri, 4th Jan 2013 15:26 Post subject: |
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| couleur wrote: | Indeed, you have a point there. Still, the overclocking potential on the Ivy-Briges is not negligible. If you can go from 3.4 to 4.4Ghz easily, that is alot of performance and adds to the futerproof system you want.
Why are you so sure that the gains you'll get with PCIe 3.0 are going to outweight the 30+% increase in CPU performance? |
It's more of the fact that games now, and games in the next 1-2 years aren't going to benefit much from that CPU gain. Even once the new consoles come out we'll still be mostly GPU bound. That 30% increase in CPU performance doesn't translate to anywhere near 30% in most games, and you can be damn sure that when the new GPU's come out this spring/summer like the full blown real kepler it'll make decent usage of that increased bandwidth of PCI-E 3.0. Further, having PCI-E 3.0 gives you the potential to slot in a SATA channel card if/when SATA IV/SATA Express comes out along with matching SSD's. Or if he ever wants/needs to go multi-GPU the benefit is obviously there. I just don't see it as being worth the money spending much on a CPU for today's games, or even games that will come up before he needs to upgrade again in 2 years.
I say save the money, get the I3 + Z77 and spend the majority of the funding on the GPU and SSD.
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| Posted: Fri, 4th Jan 2013 15:32 Post subject: |
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I say save the money, get the I3 + Z77 and spend the majority of the funding on the GPU and SSD. |
Its not a bad projection of yours, though I wouldnt agree completely.
But if are not going to overclock anyway you could even get a H77 board. You'll get the Sata ports, the VirtuMVP etc. and its even a bit cheaper than the Z77.
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True, given the fact that 1155 is going to be dead and he isn't going multi-GPU he might as well.
Although they really aren't that much cheaper. On Newegg there's like a $15 difference with most manufacturers. Seems better to just pay $10-$20 extra bucks just in case.
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Console ports already demand more CPU power than most people seem to have (well maybe not "most" now, but it used to be that way for a while). I think the demands for CPU can easily increase when the next-gen arrives.
With that said, if this happens, Ivy Bridge is not the CPU that will make a huge difference, so it doesn't really matter - it's actually another argument for saving some money for now (by getting a cheaper CPU if you really need one) and get the next big thing when it actually arrives.
As for PCI-E... so far, all the reviews suggested there are virtually no benefits in terms of performance when using the PCI-E 3.0.
There might be a slight advantage for multi-GPU solutions, since that would make PCI-E work at x8 instead of x16 (where 3.0 @ x8 is pretty much 2.0 @ x16), but otherwise it's irrelevant.
If games perform with minimal degradation in performance even with PCI-E 2.0 x8, I don't see the next GPUs taking much of a hit even if 2.0 x16 won't indeed be enough by that time. I don't see this as a priority at all.
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Unless you're talking about 5Ghz+ extreme overclocks (which you won't get with aircooling I believe), both the 3570K andf 2500K will overclock very well (depending on the chip you get). So since the performance is so close, it's better to get the newest tech imo. SUre I can run my 3570K at 4.8Ghz and sure someone else can run the 2500K at 4.8Ghz, but I wouldn't advise it since it's overkill (depending on your usage) and leads to unneecessary heat.
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not downgrading to an i3, and find it hard to believe they outperform the quad cores, got any links?
Budget is not a whole lot of an issue its just that if I dont get an sli board I dont want it to cost as much as one that is. and I really dont want to spend more then 140 on the motherboard. would figure with h77's going for like 60 bucks that 140 should get me at least somewhere
Couleur, its just the extreme 4-m that has the bad power phasing? the normal atx version is fine?
I can still head the sli way with that extreme 4 if thats decent. Just figured the pro4 would the way to go if I went non sli since that was reccomended on page 1 iirc.
so 3570K
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Unless that extreme 4 has shitty power phasing too?
As for overclocking I dont intend to break any records, but I do want a board that can handle a daily 4.4ghzish overclock(given that the cpu chip batch is any good and even gets that far). Will the extreme 4 suffice?
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Yes, the extreme 4-M uses the basic power phases, the Normal extreme 4 uses more phases so it's normally going to be more stable at higher clocks. And you'll be ok with it and an 3570K on air-cooling. 4.4Ghz is going to be an easy overclock on the 3570K.
I cant speak for the overall quality of ASROCK though, I have never used them. But it is a popular brand, even on this board.
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| Posted: Fri, 4th Jan 2013 16:37 Post subject: |
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People don't take the i3 as serious as they should be taking it. It is a serious performer given it's cheap price.
I see people all the time trying to do budget builds and giving the I3 the stink eye just because it has 'I3' in it's name. They refuse to accept the reality of just how fast it is.
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2012/11/26/intel-core-i3-3220-review/1
Note the real world usage for video encoding, etc it is just as fast if not faster then the old I7 920. Sure, it doesn't crunch out WPrime as fast as the 920 - But that isn't real world.
I speak from personal experiance. I have an overclocked 2600K rig on Z68 w/ a GTX 680.
The system I built for my girlfriend which is an I3 3220, Z77, and GTX 660Ti would be just as fast for gaming if I dropped a GTX 680 in there. Mine might be maybe 5-8 FPS better in most games due to the CPU alone, but was it worth all the cash I spent?
No, not really. I'd be just fine with the I3 since all I do is game, and my 2600k rig isn't so much faster that it offers me the ability to play games with higher settings if all other things are equal concerning the GPU.
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| Posted: Fri, 4th Jan 2013 16:38 Post subject: |
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| Badrien wrote: | not downgrading to an i3, and find it hard to believe they outperform the quad cores, got any links?
Budget is not a whole lot of an issue its just that if I dont get an sli board I dont want it to cost as much as one that is.
Couleur, its just the extreme 4-m that has the bad power phasing? the normal atx version is fine?
I can still head the sli way with that extreme 4 if thats decent. Just figured the pro4 would the way to go if I went non sli since that was reccomended on page 1 iirc.
so 3570K
z77 Extreme 4
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Unless that extreme 4 has shitty power phasing too?
As for overclocking I dont intend to break any records, but I do want a board that can handle a daily 4.4ghzish overclock(given that the cpu chip batch is any good and even gets that far). Will the extreme 4 suffice? |
extreme 4 is a very good board at a very good price , i got the P67 version and it handles my 4.4ghz 2500k rockstable.
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| Mchart wrote: | People don't take the i3 as serious as they should be taking it. It is a serious performer given it's cheap price.
I see people all the time trying to do budget builds and giving the I3 the stink eye just because it has 'I3' in it's name. They refuse to accept the reality of just how fast it is.
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2012/11/26/intel-core-i3-3220-review/1
I speak from personal experiance. I have an overclocked 2600K rig on Z68 w/ a GTX 680.
The system I built for my girlfriend which is an I3 3220, Z77, and GTX 660Ti would be just as fast for gaming if I dropped a GTX 680 in there. Mine might be maybe 5-8 FPS better in most games due to the CPU alone, but was it worth all the cash I spent?
No, not really. I'd be just fine with the I3 since all I do is game. |
But when you do even the slightest overclocking the price difference more than makes up for itself, 2500K is twice as fast as the i3 if you can get it to 4.8GHz or 5GHz.
i3 will be stuck on however much you can increase the BCLK on it which isn't a lot.
But I think I said it earlier, if you are never going to overclock then the best choice would propably be the Ivy i5 instead of Sandy i5.
If you overclock then there is no better alternative than 2500K unless you can afford extreme cooling that is needed to push the 3570K beyond the clocks of 2500K.
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