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This is great. Any tool that will make PC-gaming easier is good in my book. One of the major reasons - apart from price - people use consoles instead of pc's to play games, is because they don't want all the hassle with updating drivers and tweaking games. Yes sure this thing is pointless to most of the people on nfohump, but it's little apps like this that will insure the future of pc-gaming. We need more people onto our system if we want better ports (or no ports at all), more exclusives and games like Red Dead Redemption.
Don't be retarded people. Being negative for the sake of being negative doesn't make you awesome.
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| Posted: Thu, 6th Dec 2012 23:46 Post subject: |
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Thanks Nvidia, but I still have a working brain capable to figure out how to configure my games. 
If I had problems with that, I'd already own a console 
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| Posted: Thu, 6th Dec 2012 23:58 Post subject: |
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I don't know about the tool, but the site posted by consolitis sure seems handy for people with Nvidia cards.
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| Posted: Fri, 7th Dec 2012 00:00 Post subject: |
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| Taffelost wrote: | This is great. Any tool that will make PC-gaming easier is good in my book. One of the major reasons - apart from price - people use consoles instead of pc's to play games, is because they don't want all the hassle with updating drivers and tweaking games. Yes sure this thing is pointless to most of the people on nfohump, but it's little apps like this that will insure the future of pc-gaming. We need more people onto our system if we want better ports (or no ports at all), more exclusives and games like Red Dead Redemption.
Don't be retarded people. Being negative for the sake of being negative doesn't make you awesome. |
Except that this won't take away the bugs that still get into drivers. This won't make developers spend more time to actually take advantage of the more powerful GPUs we get. This won't fix all the broken games.
Drivers really are NOT the issue, all they need for the "mainstream" audience is auto updating. Everything else can not be fixed by this stupid thing. |
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| Posted: Fri, 7th Dec 2012 00:02 Post subject: |
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| Mister_s wrote: | | I don't know about the tool, but the site posted by consolitis sure seems handy for people with Nvidia cards. |
It' seems to me that everything is pretty random  , my first attempt for example wasn't exactly optimal (BF3 + 570gtx):
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| Posted: Fri, 7th Dec 2012 00:03 Post subject: |
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| Werelds wrote: | | Except that this won't take away the bugs that still get into drivers. |
I think you are either confused or trolling. This is called 'GeForce Experience', not 'Radeon "Experience"'.  |
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| Posted: Fri, 7th Dec 2012 00:07 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Fri, 7th Dec 2012 00:20 Post subject: |
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Last time i've checked, i still had a bit of grey matter left in my skull.I could be wrong, of course, but, thanks Nvidia, i'll pass over this "awesome new experience"
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| Posted: Fri, 7th Dec 2012 11:24 Post subject: |
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| LeoNatan wrote: | | Werelds wrote: | | Except that this won't take away the bugs that still get into drivers. |
I think you are either confused or trolling. This is called 'GeForce Experience', not 'Radeon "Experience"'. |
Post of the day 
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| Posted: Fri, 7th Dec 2012 11:32 Post subject: |
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| Taffelost wrote: | This is great. Any tool that will make PC-gaming easier is good in my book. One of the major reasons - apart from price - people use consoles instead of pc's to play games, is because they don't want all the hassle with updating drivers and tweaking games. Yes sure this thing is pointless to most of the people on nfohump, but it's little apps like this that will insure the future of pc-gaming. We need more people onto our system if we want better ports (or no ports at all), more exclusives and games like Red Dead Redemption.
Don't be retarded people. Being negative for the sake of being negative doesn't make you awesome. |
I'm fairly neutral about this, it will have its use for the people that need it but claiming that it will enable the platform to get better ports and more exclusives... sorry, but that's just
| boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
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| Posted: Fri, 7th Dec 2012 11:44 Post subject: |
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| DarkRohirrim wrote: | | So fucking pointless... no thanks, I'm not an idiot. |
this
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| Posted: Fri, 7th Dec 2012 12:09 Post subject: |
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| manu_xl wrote: | | DarkRohirrim wrote: | | So fucking pointless... no thanks, I'm not an idiot. |
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| JBeckman wrote: | The entire casual audience whom is also the main targeted demography of these game companies?
I wouldn't be surprised, I like to tinker with settings and such and find things out by myself but I can see this being really popular and without being harmful to the PC like nearly all those other "Optimizer" software whom promises to fix everything. 
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| consolitis wrote: | I for one enjoy reading the Optimal Playable Settings they've been releasing. http://www.geforce.com/optimize/optimal-game-settings
And this is the exact same thing, only it shows the settings specifically for your GPU. If it's integrated in the driver pack, it'll be cool. |
Thankfully, there are some reasonable people on this board.
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| Posted: Fri, 7th Dec 2012 12:20 Post subject: |
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what boggles me how defensive people get when it comes to this. I just don't get it. So it tunes the game for you, and if it does the job good then whats the problem? No one is forcing this down your throat.
I will try this a while, but i'm sure in most cases i will adjust those "optimal" settings to my liking anyway.
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| Posted: Fri, 7th Dec 2012 13:51 Post subject: |
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Yeah, it's funny, when we post benchmarks from guru3d or hardocp or whatever, no one screams "Stop posting bechmarks!!1 I can benchmark the game on my own!!11 Do you think I am dumb or something??"
This isn't much different. It basically tells you "we've benchmarked your card and found a good visuals/performance balance is with the following settings. Wanna apply them? Good. Wanna follow them as a guideline? Good. Wanna pay no attention to them? It's all good."
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY
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| Posted: Fri, 7th Dec 2012 14:31 Post subject: |
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| Werelds wrote: | | JanKowalski82 wrote: | | Thankfully, there are some reasonable people on this board. |
The problem isn't the "optimal" settings part, it's the fact that this is heralded as what'll "save" PC gaming. That's aside from the fact that the whole "optimal" part is just horseshit because it's a subjective matter; anything that enables 30fpsBlur and VaselineAA is suboptimal in my opinion. And I know plenty of "casual" gamers that go "wtf is that blur when I turn around?".
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Is it? It's just an opinion of 1 person (Taffelost), unless I'm missing something.
Personally I don't care how people play their games on the PC. If they just want to install and be able to play immediately, without fiddling with settings, then those "optimised" settings shouldn't be worse for them than default settings and in many cases they should be better.
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| Posted: Fri, 7th Dec 2012 14:41 Post subject: |
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No, I've seen similar reactions on other sites, not just him.
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| Posted: Fri, 7th Dec 2012 14:52 Post subject: |
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IMO the problem is what the "GeForce Experience" think is optimal , for example some players preffere graphical fidelity over FPS some players turn everything at low to get 100+ fps some players like that sweet spot between fps and graphics some players hate blur/bloom or other post processing effects and this "GeForce Experience" can't do that there's no way to know what the player likes that's why we PC players love to have a nice video settings meniu to tweak the game to look how we like.
And auto detect is bullshit IMO , with auto detect i should play 80% of 2010+ games on low and i play them on high no problem
The only usefull think i find is driver updates , but you can get auto driver update via windows updates... so i see little use for this 
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| Posted: Fri, 7th Dec 2012 14:58 Post subject: |
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That's another point actually. Most games already do have an optimal settings thing. The people who would theoretically find this tool useful are the same people who won't even bother using it since it's in the game already. The same audience that finds drivers "cumbersome and complicated" are the same people who will not bother with this because it's "cumbersome and complicated".
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| Posted: Fri, 7th Dec 2012 15:04 Post subject: |
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| Werelds wrote: | | No, I've seen similar reactions on other sites, not just him. |
Really?! 
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| Posted: Fri, 7th Dec 2012 15:21 Post subject: |
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| Werelds wrote: | | That's another point actually. Most games already do have an optimal settings thing. The people who would theoretically find this tool useful are the same people who won't even bother using it since it's in the game already. The same audience that finds drivers "cumbersome and complicated" are the same people who will not bother with this because it's "cumbersome and complicated". |
See? Pointless.
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| Posted: Fri, 7th Dec 2012 15:33 Post subject: |
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I'd much rather see more attention on getting developers to actually get their shit together, on getting rid of AFR for SLI/CFX, on sorting out multiple displays on Nvidia. No, instead we get something noone in their right mind will use.
And I don't buy that from you for a second consolitis, you're smart enough to know what settings to use, why the fuck would you use this shit?
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| Posted: Fri, 7th Dec 2012 15:44 Post subject: |
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| Werelds wrote: | I'd much rather see more attention on getting developers to actually get their shit together, on getting rid of AFR for SLI/CFX, on sorting out multiple displays on Nvidia. No, instead we get something noone in their right mind will use.
And I don't buy that from you for a second consolitis, you're smart enough to know what settings to use, why the fuck would you use this shit? |
You need to take your head out of your ass sometimes or you'll suffocate.
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| Posted: Fri, 7th Dec 2012 16:08 Post subject: |
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I don't use it. I don't even have it installed. I check http://www.geforce.com/optimize/optimal-game-settings which I assume is almost the same thing, for the same reason that people check benchmarks. (It's a form of benchmark).
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY
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| Posted: Fri, 7th Dec 2012 17:09 Post subject: |
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Honestly I really don't get the point of that site. They don't even post the optimal settings, they just tell you the hypothetical framerate in case you might want to use..the highest settings (or something close to that).
I posted BF3 before, but now I've checked Metro 2033 and the optimal settings guarantee you some rock solid...33fps with DX11 and all the goodies enabled. Come on.
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| Posted: Fri, 7th Dec 2012 18:13 Post subject: |
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Personally I am most interested in the "setting preview showroom" thingy :
I wish they'll add a feature that update the screenshot accordingly when you change the setting state.
That would be nice to see how things will look on the fly, rather than having to do the "go back to ingame menu, change your setting, resume gameplay, take a screenshot and so on" sequence and then ALT-TAB to compare your pics. Even not remembering what pic belong to what settings...
Also, driver updates if handled correctly sounds good to me too.
Optimal settings ? They are mine. (fps lock, unlimited as optimal : WTF ? ^^ )
But some certainly will find this auto-tune feature handy.
EDIT : Don't look at my current BF3 settings, I haven't even launched the game already ^^
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| Posted: Fri, 7th Dec 2012 18:15 Post subject: |
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| ixigia wrote: | | I posted BF3 before, but now I've checked Metro 2033 and the optimal settings guarantee you some rock solid...33fps with DX11 and all the goodies enabled. Come on. |
Good enough for the derpsolers that want to get into PC gaming... too bad that if that happens that theory of the platform getting better ports goes up in smoke
"They think 36 fps is optimal? Hey jeff, forget about optimizing the PC port and just release that shit as it is..." 
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| Posted: Fri, 7th Dec 2012 18:20 Post subject: |
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@ixigia: It's not the highest settings. It's the highest settings you can afford. And what about that framerate? If you mean it's too low, they focus on quality over 60 fps. Likewise if they used settings to target a 60 framerate (which pretty much means dropping the quality) someone else would say who cares about 60, gimme prettyness, come on! We've already discussed it, everyone likes to tweak his games differently, but does this mean benchmarks are useless unless they have the exact same settings you want to use? "WTF SSAO is shit, fuck you guru3d for running benchmarks with it enabled!" Most benchmarks are with the games in question configured with everything @max even if the franerate is a single digit number, and what nvidia does is a slight variation; everything is as high as possible as long as fps>30.
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY
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