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Frant
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I think that last scene was simply a crowd pleaser for those who expected an alien'esque movie and got something completely different, showing a proto-alien at the end (silly thing). Still doesn't connect with Alien (the movie) though since it's not the same planet where they found the other crashed engineer ship where the ribcage had burst while sitting in the pilot seat. In Prometheus it was different, the military engineer did not sit in the pilot seat.
And as someone said, it's not canon.
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| Posted: Wed, 21st Nov 2012 11:28 Post subject: |
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The fact that it's an Alien prequel (yes, it is) - YES it is - just makes it that much worse. All that bullshit about it not being a prequel is just nonsense. It started as a prequel - and the original script was a DIRECT prequel, and Lindelof's treatment doesn't change the core of the script. It just makes it massively worse by adding stupid religious overtones and even more stupid actions by the characters.
However, it's a shit movie no matter what it is - and that's largely because of a horrible script with the worst bunch of characters in recent memory. They were supposed to be THE experts in their fields - and they're almost ALL complete idiots. I'm not going to repeat this again - so consider yourself spared - but the movie is SO full of implausible and moronic behavior, it boggles the mind.
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| Posted: Wed, 21st Nov 2012 13:54 Post subject: |
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| WaldoJ wrote: | | Well if you remove the hints of aliens in the movie then it's a solid movie. Even with plot holes. Could've focused entirely on the engineers. It would've been x times better as a whole. |
But it is just that - a movie focused on the engineers with only small subplots.
Events are 29 years before the original movie - so its just based in the same universe and its clearly a origin movie showing first contact, next movie will be the one connecting it directly with Alien.
Movie history is full of good movies with gaping plot holes and stupid characters.
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| Posted: Wed, 21st Nov 2012 14:00 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Movie history is full of good movies with gaping plot holes and stupid characters. |
Nothing wrong with stupid characters - if it fits their profile. The problem in Prometheus is that their profile was the opposite of their actual personality.
But, please, name a few movies full of smart people behaving like complete idiots that are also good.
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| Posted: Wed, 21st Nov 2012 14:13 Post subject: |
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| Casus wrote: | | Must... get... last... word!!! |
| chiv wrote: | | don't quote me on that |
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| Posted: Wed, 21st Nov 2012 15:00 Post subject: |
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| Casus wrote: | | Quote: | | Movie history is full of good movies with gaping plot holes and stupid characters. |
Nothing wrong with stupid characters - if it fits their profile. The problem in Prometheus is that their profile was the opposite of their actual personality.
But, please, name a few movies full of smart people behaving like complete idiots that are also good. |
I like arguing with people, but from what ive seen from you, everything is absolute black & white so I really dont care. You hate this movie fine, but you bring nothing new to the table with each post and now you want to argue about small detail because you havent seen alot of movies. Lets just ignore eachother.
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| Posted: Wed, 21st Nov 2012 15:02 Post subject: |
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| Doh! wrote: | | Casus wrote: | | Quote: | | Movie history is full of good movies with gaping plot holes and stupid characters. |
Nothing wrong with stupid characters - if it fits their profile. The problem in Prometheus is that their profile was the opposite of their actual personality.
But, please, name a few movies full of smart people behaving like complete idiots that are also good. |
I like arguing with people, but from what ive seen from you, everything is absolute black & white so I really dont care. You hate this movie fine, but you bring nothing new to the table with each post and now you want to argue about small detail because you havent seen alot of movies. Lets just ignore eachother. |
I'm black and white because I have a point that isn't being refuted and I happen to stand by it?
Ok, I have no interest in arguing for the sake of arguing - and if you think ignoring me is the best option, I can go along with that.
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| Posted: Thu, 29th Nov 2012 04:53 Post subject: |
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| [sYn] wrote: | Ok, so I just watched this movie. I really enjoyed it, I found it engaging, interesting and I'm looking forward to a sequel, assuming there will be one.
I've never seen the alien movies (ok, I have, but I was so young I have no idea what happens in them, I don't remember them at all) so I figured the next step would be to watch those and see what all the fuss is about  .
Do I watch all 4? Just the first 2? |
Alien 3/Resurrection aren't exactly awesome movies (imo) but yeah, I'd watch the whole Quadrilogy |
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| Posted: Thu, 29th Nov 2012 10:39 Post subject: |
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| [sYn] wrote: | | Do I watch all 4? Just the first 2? |
Watch them all, but don't expect any kind of consistency of genre:
Alien - sci-fi horror
Aliens - herpaderp action with a few iconic characters
Alien3 (Assembly Cut only) - gothic character study/Christ allegory
Alien: Resurrection - surrealist ultra-black comedy
Personally, I love them all in their own special way, but only Alien is really scary.
| chiv wrote: | | don't quote me on that |
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| Posted: Thu, 29th Nov 2012 17:11 Post subject: |
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| [sYn] wrote: | | Ok, so I just watched this movie. I really enjoyed it, I found it engaging, interesting and I'm looking forward to a sequel, assuming there will be one. |
I almost threw up all my internals when I read that. The movie isn't worth a squirt of piss for the abortion of script-writing and logic let alone the bastardization to the entire Aliens franchise. Thank the Lord I watched it for free for my eyes and mind because like worms after having watched such sci-fi trite.
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| Posted: Thu, 29th Nov 2012 17:20 Post subject: |
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so a person enjoys a movie you hate.... lets bash it again.
he's not defending the movie. he's saying he enjoyed it. I also enjoyed it.
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| Posted: Thu, 29th Nov 2012 19:28 Post subject: |
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Allien. A classic. One of the best horror sci fi movies all the time.
Alien 2 crappy rambo type sequel
Alien 3,4 good but not in par with the first .
Anything else with Allien in the title. Money grabber boolshit.
Prometheus, Not in par with allien but very well done re launch of the series and the only remarkable movie in the allien universe after the first movie.
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| Posted: Tue, 25th Dec 2012 15:08 Post subject: |
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Lindelof not returning for Prometheus 2. http://collider.com/prometheus-sequel-damon-lindelof/219084/
| Quote: | | “The thing about Prometheus was it was a rewrite. Jon Spaihts wrote a script and I rewrote it. And still it was a year of my life that I spent on Prometheus, kind of all in. The idea of building a sequel to it—from the ground up this time—with Ridley is tremendously exciting. But at the same time, I was like, “Well that’s probably going to be two years of my life.” I can’t do what J.J. [Abrams] does. I don’t have the capability. I’m usually very single-minded creatively. I can only be working on one thing at a time. So I said to him, “I really don’t think I could start working on this movie until I do this other stuff. And I don’t know when the other stuff is going to be done.” And he was like, “Well, okay, it’s not like I asked you anyways.” He and I are on excellent terms and it was a dream come true to work with him. But much to the delight of all the fanboys, I don’t see myself being involved in Prometheus-er.” |
I liked his script (I only disliked the stupid/illogical character moments) so I'm a little sad. But I know it'll make lots of other people very happy so, there, go on, and celebrate!
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| Posted: Tue, 25th Dec 2012 15:10 Post subject: |
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i thought the bulk of what he contributed WAS the stupid illogical character moments. i thought he was brought in to tamper with the original stuff, to change it away from the aliens connection.
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| Posted: Tue, 25th Dec 2012 15:17 Post subject: |
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I know his main contribution was to de-Alien-ize it, but the stupid illogical character moments I refer to could appear in an Alien movie as well, so I don't know if they were specifically written by him or he found them existing already. I should read the scripts sometime.
I actually liked the de-Alien-ization, and the promise of moving even further away in Prometheus 2. I hope that's still the case now that Lindelof isn't involved.
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
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| Posted: Tue, 25th Dec 2012 15:32 Post subject: |
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| vurt wrote: | | Casus wrote: | Aliens = crappy rambo type sequel? Ok  |
Yeah i agree with that. Not that Aliens is a bad movie, it's a likeable braindead sci-fi flick just like Aliens 3 and 4, though slightly better.
Watched Prometheus yesterday, it was ok, on pair with Aliens 4 (which i also enjoyed for what it was). |
I think it has a very intelligent script for an action movie, with plausible characters and a great plot structure. It also has fantastic quotable dialogue and it does what almost no sequel ever manages to do, which is to respect the original while doing something new.
Aliens is a fantastic film - and it's certainly not braindead. But it's an action film - not a particularly cerebral film.
Alien 3 is not braindead either, but it's not a great film. Alien 4 is braindead, however, and it's complete shit.
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| Posted: Tue, 25th Dec 2012 15:53 Post subject: |
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i loved aliens... i also really enjoyed alien 3. in fact, far as im concerned, the entire original trilogy is fantastic, each kinda does its own thing while contributing as a whole, and makes for a wonderful story arc.
alien resurrection, however, was not only kinda dumb, but really unnecessary and lessened the characters (ripley as a superbadass alien killing machine, an alien with eyes...) i would have enjoyed it SO much more if it didnt have alien in the title.
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| Posted: Tue, 25th Dec 2012 18:27 Post subject: |
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| consolitis wrote: | Lindelof not returning for Prometheus 2. http://collider.com/prometheus-sequel-damon-lindelof/219084/
| Quote: | | “The thing about Prometheus was it was a rewrite. Jon Spaihts wrote a script and I rewrote it. And still it was a year of my life that I spent on Prometheus, kind of all in. The idea of building a sequel to it—from the ground up this time—with Ridley is tremendously exciting. But at the same time, I was like, “Well that’s probably going to be two years of my life.” I can’t do what J.J. [Abrams] does. I don’t have the capability. I’m usually very single-minded creatively. I can only be working on one thing at a time. So I said to him, “I really don’t think I could start working on this movie until I do this other stuff. And I don’t know when the other stuff is going to be done.” And he was like, “Well, okay, it’s not like I asked you anyways.” He and I are on excellent terms and it was a dream come true to work with him. But much to the delight of all the fanboys, I don’t see myself being involved in Prometheus-er.” |
I liked his script (I only disliked the stupid/illogical character moments) so I'm a little sad. But I know it'll make lots of other people very happy so, there, go on, and celebrate! |
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| Posted: Mon, 31st Dec 2012 22:25 Post subject: |
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I gotta watch Prometheus before I go back to work.
Ive tried fucking 5 times now and I ALWAYS fall asleep within the first 30-45 mins...I gotta get through it
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