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LeoNatan
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| Frant wrote: | | LeoNatan wrote: | | There we go with the trolling. Had you actually tried OS X, you'd see it's a much more serious and elegant operating system than Windows 8 will ever be. |
Yes, I have tried OS X (10.5 was the last one I tried I think), but I fail to see what that has got to do with anything. I don't run Windows 8, I'm sticking with Windows 7. OS X felt like skinned FreeBSD with a ton of apps.. Oh wait.... |
OS X at this point is more elegant for me than Windows 7. The fonts, the color scheme, the smooth scrolling everywhere, gestures on the trackpad, etc. Software is still an issue here and there, but not critical. You tried 10.5, that's very old. The OS has progressed quite a while since then. Shit, even Microsoft Office 2011 looks so much better than Office 2010 and certainly the visual abomination 2013. Most software is visually consistent, something that is also true for the most part about Windows 7 as well.
OS X is a Unix done right, with almost no need to go into the console. When a Linux or BSD distribution reaches this amount of polish, elegance and software consistency, then you can compare it to those. Until then, one needs to compile the kernel to do small shit on Ubuntu.  |
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Hood of the car, under which is the engine - the internal workings.
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Frant
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| Posted: Tue, 20th Nov 2012 11:13 Post subject: |
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| LeoNatan wrote: | | Frant wrote: | | LeoNatan wrote: | | There we go with the trolling. Had you actually tried OS X, you'd see it's a much more serious and elegant operating system than Windows 8 will ever be. |
Yes, I have tried OS X (10.5 was the last one I tried I think), but I fail to see what that has got to do with anything. I don't run Windows 8, I'm sticking with Windows 7. OS X felt like skinned FreeBSD with a ton of apps.. Oh wait.... |
OS X at this point is more elegant for me than Windows 7. The fonts, the color scheme, the smooth scrolling everywhere, gestures on the trackpad, etc. Software is still an issue here and there, but not critical. You tried 10.5, that's very old. The OS has progressed quite a while since then. Shit, even Microsoft Office 2011 looks so much better than Office 2010 and certainly the visual abomination 2013. Most software is visually consistent, something that is also true for the most part about Windows 7 as well.
OS X is a Unix done right, with almost no need to go into the console. When a Linux or BSD distribution reaches this amount of polish, elegance and software consistency, then you can compare it to those. Until then, one needs to compile the kernel to do small shit on Ubuntu. |
To be honest, when it comes to OS I'm a pragmatic. Most of the apps and esp. games I use are made for Windows. I can easily upgrade my PC with any piece of hardware I want that fits my personal wallet at any time I want and can get twice the power for the same price as a Mac. I simply can't afford going Apple (for the same performance I have now) and I don't want to either since there's nothing in OS X that I need or have use for. Apple is a very closed platform compared to the PC platform, and the OS is locked to run on only Apple machines. That's despicable. But even that doesn't matter. I simply have no need for OS X since the hardware and software I use were made for PC/Windows.
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Tue, 20th Nov 2012 12:11 Post subject: |
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With Hackintosh, the hardware problems are elevated. But I agree, if Apple were to open their OS now, in the wake of shitty Windows 8, they'd make it big in the Windows marketplace. Software will get there.
But we weren't talking about closed or open OS, we were talking about elegant OS, consistent OS. You can point correctly that it's a closed OS, but that does not change the fact that it's also a very elegant OS.
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Frant
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| Posted: Tue, 20th Nov 2012 15:37 Post subject: |
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| LeoNatan wrote: | With Hackintosh, the hardware problems are elevated. But I agree, if Apple were to open their OS now, in the wake of shitty Windows 8, they'd make it big in the Windows marketplace. Software will get there.
But we weren't talking about closed or open OS, we were talking about elegant OS, consistent OS. You can point correctly that it's a closed OS, but that does not change the fact that it's also a very elegant OS. |
Elegant or not, it's still not usable to what I do with my PC, ie. running Windows programs. I rarely use any Adobe software these days, I no longer develop software (for various reasons), I'm more of a "simple" power user with an interest in gaming.
I'll most likely stick with Windows 7 until Microsoft either makes a new OS that isn't insanely stupid and full of hubris (trying to be all things to all kinds of gadgets in one package) or Linux which will grow as a platform for games if Valves initiative spreads. Publishers go where the money is.
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So window(s) 8 - how is it working with only one window at a time? Because that sounds impossible for me to work with.
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| Posted: Wed, 21st Nov 2012 03:45 Post subject: |
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| Doh! wrote: | | So window(s) 8 - how is it working with only one window at a time? Because that sounds impossible for me to work with. |
take the cumbersomeness of the AOL GUI in the late 90's, mix it with the colors of sesame street, and the fancy UI graphics of windows 95 windows and borders. and you get an idea.
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| Posted: Wed, 21st Nov 2012 21:50 Post subject: |
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The data from activating via KMS is still present, so it's possible MS could deactivate all copies that use this method.
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| Posted: Wed, 21st Nov 2012 21:51 Post subject: |
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| Doh! wrote: | | So window(s) 8 - how is it working with only one window at a time? Because that sounds impossible for me to work with. |
You can also use it as you always did, with a different "start menu".
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| Posted: Wed, 21st Nov 2012 22:28 Post subject: |
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| LeoNatan wrote: | | the smooth scrolling everywhere |
Disclaimer: provided you're not running a "Retina" Mac 
All of my colleagues in the UK have a Retina machine now and they're all complaining about it. Not one of them can handle a site with more than 4 images properly because of Apple's poor hardware choices, let alone something that actually taxes the system a bit
| LeoNatan wrote: | | OS X is a Unix done right, with almost no need to go into the console. When a Linux or BSD distribution reaches this amount of polish, elegance and software consistency, then you can compare it to those. Until then, one needs to compile the kernel to do small shit on Ubuntu. |
Sorry, but this just isn't true - both on the "almost no need to go into console" as well as the kernel compilation (I get your point there, not taking it literally). You use your Mac purely for Apple-related things. However, as soon as you go outside that comfortable safety zone, you do need the console. Just like on Linux or Windows, most libraries you'll still need to compile yourself - you could do it all via XCode and such, but resolving dependencies is just as much a pain in the ass as on other platforms. Fortunately there's Homebrew and Macports (I use the latter), which are basically what Aptitude is for Debian - you need these to not only resolve dependencies easily, but also to deal with disabling Apple's own shit versions of some software. What OS X does get is a few more GUIs to deal with configuration files for some services, but that's where it ends. Ubuntu has also taken a lot of hints from OS X (global menu bar, notifications/tray for example).
I do want you to provide me an example of something that needs to be done in the console on Ubuntu that can be done on OS X without the console though; aside from driver installation (particularly GPU drivers), which is still terrible on Linux. After working on OS X for a good 3-4 months now, I can't say I use the console any more or less than I did on Ubuntu.
As far as elegance goes, I still can't say I prefer Ubuntu, OS X or Windows. Each has its inconsistencies; on OS X for example, maximising windows doesn't always maximise them ( ) because applications decide how to handle that themselves. Finder also is a bit cumbersome to use at times; to get a certain file type to always open in a particular application is a very strange and awkward process. On the other hand, shortcuts are nice and consistent (CMD+COMMA for preferences <3) and with an SSD Spotlight is just as good as the Win7 start menu or Ubuntu launcher (with mechanical drives, particularly 5400 RPM drives like in Mac Minis it's still slow though). A lot of it is also personal, I still prefer Win7's taskbar over the silly dock for example, but that's me.
If Apple decided to finally lift their retarded limitations and at least allow Hackintosh installations without all the horseshit that comes with it now (need to make sure your GPU is supported, audio is fucking annoying to deal with), I do think it would make the OS a lot more interesting to use and I certainly would applaud it. That said, I don't think a lot of older users would switch over; my parents for example find OS X confusing as hell, yet they got used to 95, XP and 7 in no-time. Neither of them is a power-user.
For me personally, OS X provides me the tools I get on Linux with the tools I'd get on Windows (sup, Adobe) as well as the stuff I need for work that's only available on OS X (fucking Safari  ). The big downside is the lack of proper NTFS support; even with things like Paragon NTFS it's still very dicey, I have to be careful with what I do on NTFS drives/partitions or risk fucking up a folder or even fucking up the file table (with a BSOD as result in Windows). FAT unfortunately is not an option, since I have several files that exceed that limit. Apple used to advertise with "Works perfectly fine with Windows!" - glad they don't do that anymore 
And then there's Windows 8. Which, and this is no joke, had both of my parents go "What the FUCK is that? Is that for tablets?"
Which says all there is to say about Windows 8. Nothing wrong with it, just not meant for desktop use.
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| Posted: Thu, 22nd Nov 2012 23:52 Post subject: |
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Is it safe to update Windows 8 when I activated it with kms activator? My activation is valid for 180 days.
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Doh!
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| Posted: Fri, 23rd Nov 2012 19:58 Post subject: |
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| [sYn] wrote: | | Doh! wrote: | | So window(s) 8 - how is it working with only one window at a time? Because that sounds impossible for me to work with. |
You can also use it as you always did, with a different "start menu". |
Ok thanks for clearing that up for me! NOW I really understand why people use that prog.
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| Posted: Fri, 23rd Nov 2012 20:02 Post subject: |
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Almost one month down with Windows 8 and I have decided to keep it as my main OS.
No really, once you get used to its peculiarities it is actually quite a good operating system - in some cases better than Windows 7. I would chalk down 90% of my initial annoyances as "being afraid of really trying something new".
No need for a full review honestly. Satisfied customer.
Yes, yes I'm back.
Somewhat.
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| Posted: Sat, 24th Nov 2012 18:37 Post subject: |
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Does someone know how to change the Clock in Windows 8 to military digits ?
I mean 6 oclock = 18.00 ?
I keep changing the clock and such but the military digits never show up, I mean I never get the 18.00 clock digits...
Thanks...
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Frant
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Sat, 24th Nov 2012 18:47 Post subject: |
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Military digits
You change it, as you always did, in the control panel, regional settings. Either change the entire format to a format that has 24 hour format, or go into additional settings, "Time" tab, and change short and long time from "h:mm" to "H:mm".
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| Posted: Sat, 24th Nov 2012 19:47 Post subject: |
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| Newty182 wrote: |
The data from activating via KMS is still present, so it's possible MS could deactivate all copies that use this method. |
I could install and activate a modified iso with media center integrated straight away. No KMS data present. So your point is not valid.
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M4trix
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Sat, 24th Nov 2012 20:49 Post subject: |
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@NecroViolator I told how to configure it. 
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I was trying out Windows 8 on a few of my systems and am not sure yet if I will switch over or not, it's fun if you have a touch screen though. One thing that annoys me is how Microsoft decides to remove certain default drivers from each version as my laptop default MS video card driver that has been working since XP seems to be MIA in Windows 8.
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Frant
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| Posted: Sun, 25th Nov 2012 18:11 Post subject: |
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I dunno, at this point it's all a matter of getting used to I guess. I feel comfortable with W7. It works just as it should, so I don't see the need to replace it.
I am dl-ing w8 copy via MSDN-AA if I'd ever need it in future, or get curious 
But after trying the RTM version several months ago, on VMWare, I am just not comfortable with it. Not to mention the frustration of finding how to use something , or how to shut it down.
For me it's just not intuitive for desktop use, and I didn't hear that it's revolutionary better than W7, so, again, I really don't see why to move from W7
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| Posted: Sun, 25th Nov 2012 18:23 Post subject: |
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Well been concidering to upgrade this last couple of days, but still can't decide 
Is there even a good crack method for Win8 (just like Win7)?
Are there any major advantages over Win7 for someone like me?
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