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-=Cartoon=-
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own3d is not the right word .... right? :/
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Macknu
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| Posted: Sun, 7th Aug 2005 18:45 Post subject: |
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Lots of people mourn the dead from nazy germany aswell, innocent civilians should never have to die.
I hate what usa did couse it killed lots of innocent and i dont care whata japan did, doesnt give the right to kill innocent.
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| Posted: Sun, 7th Aug 2005 18:50 Post subject: Re: The nukes on japan.... |
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| -=Cartoon=- wrote: | Why do people bash america for the atomic bombs they dropped in ww2.. ???
I am fully against nuke weapons etc.. and i think america today is a complete shit hole...
However im sick of watching on the news etc people "Mourning" for the people who died.... |
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Ppl still bash germans and other ppl for the jews that died under WW2.
And don't say its a diffrence cause its not.
And im sick of the ppl who stalks and demands a "trial" for old ppl that served the germans under WW2.
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fisk
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| Posted: Sun, 7th Aug 2005 18:52 Post subject: |
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USA punished 200´000 innocent civilians for what the government of Japan did with it's armies.
That's about as smart as if Japan would've took 200´000 american civilians, and put them in gas-chambers, because they happened to live in a country you happened to disagree with/were at war with.
I've said it countless times on this forum - targeting civilians to achieve some political/war agenda is never ok.
Or do you support the terrorists? After all... they think they're equally right - to make some sort of "point", to stop USA, and other western countries from involving themselves in their political affairs.
It's funny how people think it's so atrocious when two bombs go off in London, and kill 30-60 people, but 200'000 dead in Japan is "ok", "strategy", "good decision".
I suppose genocide ain't so bad if it's not done in your own back yard, eh?
Yes, yes I'm back.
Somewhat.
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| Posted: Sun, 7th Aug 2005 22:08 Post subject: |
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rip
one of the worse atrocitites ever commited by mankind.
a HUGE violation against human rights obviously. this was one of the main reasons UN was invented, believe it or not.
this was a revenge attack targeted against CIVILIANS.
not ok uncle sam. not ok!
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| Posted: Sun, 7th Aug 2005 23:16 Post subject: |
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oh damn, i ve just read a few reports on the "rape of nanjing", i never heard of it before. i knew about the fact that the japanese army massacred civilians and raped women all ages, it was a disguisting act.
now i read in detail about nanjing and damn, this was even far worse than what happened to the jews during ww2.
the crimes of the japanese soldiers described in these reports are so unbelievable animalistic and inhumane that i could barely keep reading.
i ve watched some of the most extreme movies around without twitching,
but just reading these few reports made me feel seriously sick.
imo, rape is the greatest crime in humanity, now multiply this times 80000, add in massacre and mutilation and you ve got the greatest crime again humanity in the history of mankind.
the japanese government hasnt apologized for japan's crimes during ww2 to this day. they are still denying it although there are witnesses and proof.
i ve always seen japanese society as sick and extreme, even though it might be only a stereotype, this piece of history backs it up.
anyway if you wanna read some of these reports:
http://www.centurychina.com/wiihist/njmassac/rape.htm
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| Posted: Sun, 7th Aug 2005 23:59 Post subject: |
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im an american
and i hate stupid fucks saying
america is shithole
americans are killers they suck etc
government does this shit and yes im against that so stop blaming the deaths on civilian american ppl
you mufuckers are jus ''talkmuch-donothing'' guyz
u say america is shit so do something to prevent them being a shit
cant do sth?
yes i thought so
jus keep talkin
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| Posted: Mon, 8th Aug 2005 00:03 Post subject: |
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hey ipwnu... who votes the government in your country? o_O
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Mutantius
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| Posted: Mon, 8th Aug 2005 00:27 Post subject: |
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yea, sometimes we forgot the "other" victims in war and other conflicts.. Rwanda Genocide, Stalin's Massacre etc.
It's sad really when we see for an example Steven Spielberg who tries to let the people now about Holocaust through private funds.
"Why don't you zip it, Zipfero?" - fraich3
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| Posted: Mon, 8th Aug 2005 01:35 Post subject: |
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| Macknu wrote: | Lots of people mourn the dead from nazy germany aswell, innocent civilians should never have to die.
I hate what usa did couse it killed lots of innocent and i dont care whata japan did, doesnt give the right to kill innocent. |
You have a complete lack of understanding history. They all would have fought to the end, for their emperor. That is war, kill them before they kill you. Plus they started the war, did you not know this fact?
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| Posted: Mon, 8th Aug 2005 01:37 Post subject: Re: The nukes on japan.... |
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| Posted: Mon, 8th Aug 2005 02:24 Post subject: |
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| MaroW wrote: | | hey ipwnu... who votes the government in your country? o_O |
some stupid warheads
bushs creeps
cheater MF**ers
enough?
i can make the list longer
despite that warheads and a cheater president
if u still misjudge me/us/majority of cali
i jus laugh at you thats all
i dont wanna waste precious breath
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| Posted: Mon, 8th Aug 2005 02:40 Post subject: |
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you dont put america in a very good light either....
and uhm... are you a native american? cause your english is like... damn poor man... almost like mine... and im german.....
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| Posted: Mon, 8th Aug 2005 03:08 Post subject: |
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| fisk wrote: | USA punished 200´000 innocent civilians for what the government of Japan did with it's armies.
That's about as smart as if Japan would've took 200´000 american civilians, and put them in gas-chambers, because they happened to live in a country you happened to disagree with/were at war with.
I've said it countless times on this forum - targeting civilians to achieve some political/war agenda is never ok.
Or do you support the terrorists? After all... they think they're equally right - to make some sort of "point", to stop USA, and other western countries from involving themselves in their political affairs.
It's funny how people think it's so atrocious when two bombs go off in London, and kill 30-60 people, but 200'000 dead in Japan is "ok", "strategy", "good decision".
I suppose genocide ain't so bad if it's not done in your own back yard, eh? |
Yes america did do that.
Your kinda my point in this thread.
Japan did far far far far far far far worse.. killing upwards of 30 MILLION civilianz.. yet u give them no note...
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The Rat
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| Posted: Mon, 8th Aug 2005 03:54 Post subject: |
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A war crime is a war crime.
I personally view the dropping of atomic bombs on civilians as a war crime no matter what circumstances.
| kirkblitz wrote: | | You attack other people constantly for not loving blacks or asians or whatever. YOU are the most hateful of us all, you sit there and preach hate toward people who dont like diversity |
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| Posted: Mon, 8th Aug 2005 05:09 Post subject: |
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It was them or us, Millions of American troops would have died to conquer japan. Regular bombs would have killed more people. Funny the Japanese understand this more than you fools.
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| Posted: Mon, 8th Aug 2005 06:10 Post subject: |
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millions of american troops dying is more appropriate than 200000 civilians.
theyre soldiers, they should be ready to die, its their call, why should civilians die who dont have anything to do with this...
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| Posted: Mon, 8th Aug 2005 06:35 Post subject: |
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Many more civilians would've died. The American soldiers would've moved up to Japan and many more would've died under the cross fire, not to mention the ridiculous death toll of soldiers on both sides. And thing was, Japan was a relentless war-hungry empire, so they would've defended their country under any expense, even if it meant the life of civilians.
The nuke was a decision to strike fear into Japan to either surrender or the US will start using nukes against them. I'm not saying it was okay for dropping said nuke, nothing is okay about a death of a civillian or a soldier, but those were the only options that Truman had. It was a matter of weighing which was worse.
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Jenni
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| Posted: Mon, 8th Aug 2005 06:40 Post subject: |
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100 million will die to protect the Emperor.
The dropping of the Atomic weapons on Japan was an evil, but a necessary one.
If you all step back a few months and see what happened to the civilian population in Okinawa, you'll see that the Japanese were fanatical at the time.
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| Posted: Mon, 8th Aug 2005 06:47 Post subject: |
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Remember everyone
more civilians died in the firebombing of dresden than did in both the nuke bombs combined...
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Macknu
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| Posted: Mon, 8th Aug 2005 10:11 Post subject: |
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| Weducks wrote: | | Macknu wrote: | Lots of people mourn the dead from nazy germany aswell, innocent civilians should never have to die.
I hate what usa did couse it killed lots of innocent and i dont care whata japan did, doesnt give the right to kill innocent. |
You have a complete lack of understanding history. They all would have fought to the end, for their emperor. That is war, kill them before they kill you. Plus they started the war, did you not know this fact? |
I understand history perfectly well. Doesnt matter who started it, bombing civilians with nuke is never ok.
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| Posted: Mon, 8th Aug 2005 11:52 Post subject: |
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| MaroW wrote: | you dont put america in a very good light either....
and uhm... are you a native american? cause your english is like... damn poor man... almost like mine... and im german..... |
no actually im german and your father
hahahalmao
naa im jus kiddin
and seriously
why dont you focus on the topic
''your english is like mine poor man etc''
wont save your bacon
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fisk
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| Posted: Mon, 8th Aug 2005 15:03 Post subject: |
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| -=Cartoon=- wrote: | Remember everyone
more civilians died in the firebombing of dresden than did in both the nuke bombs combined... |
And that makes it ok to nuke civilians in Japan?
| Jenni wrote: | 100 million will die to protect the Emperor.
The dropping of the Atomic weapons on Japan was an evil, but a necessary one.
If you all step back a few months and see what happened to the civilian population in Okinawa, you'll see that the Japanese were fanatical at the time. |
Eh, say what? So you mean that it was 'ok' to kill 200´000 japanese because you think they were "fanatical"?
| Quote: | Yes america did do that.
Your kinda my point in this thread.
Japan did far far far far far far far worse.. killing upwards of 30 MILLION civilianz.. yet u give them no note... |
The point is, nothing ratifies the actions of USA, because "Japan did worse". It's not about being the worst here, it's about having a clean slate.
If indeed this is a war about morality, how can you condemn the genocide of one nation, if you commit genocide yourself?
Let's say ... (imaginary situation) GREECE "only" explicitly targeted and murdered 200'000 jews "in one go", would they have the right to go out and condemn any action of the nazi's?
"Hey! You murdered 5+ Million! We only murdered 200´000! You are so bad!"
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I don't care about the apologists view here, explicitly targeting civilians in any war, in any time, is just wrong. Especially when it's done to sway opinion/political view.
Let's say some terrorists in Al-Quaeda managed to set off a bomb in rush hour New York, killing two hundred thousand innocent americans.
To Al-Quaeda, what's going on now is war.
What if they then went out with the hardline: "If you do not stop your actions in the middle east, this is just the prelude".
What would you have called them, besides genocidal and insane terrorists?
*I* am not the one who needs to put this into perspective. You're defending the mass murder of civilians for Pete's sake.
Yes, yes I'm back.
Somewhat.
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| Posted: Mon, 8th Aug 2005 18:56 Post subject: |
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if the bombs werent dropped it would have cause many more soldiers, both american and japanese, and many more citizens, to die.
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| Posted: Mon, 8th Aug 2005 19:01 Post subject: |
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| fisk wrote: | | Jenni wrote: | 100 million will die to protect the Emperor.
The dropping of the Atomic weapons on Japan was an evil, but a necessary one.
If you all step back a few months and see what happened to the civilian population in Okinawa, you'll see that the Japanese were fanatical at the time. |
Eh, say what? So you mean that it was 'ok' to kill 200´000 japanese because you think they were "fanatical"? |
You entirely missed the point. If they didn't drop the nuke, many more would die under the will of the Emperor. It wasn't some democracy there, it was a full blown empire, and the Japanese people actually supported that. The death toll would easily increased from 200k to the millions if the nuke hadn't been dropped.
No one is defending it, either. Well, I'm not. I'm just saying that was the best choice there was to do at the time. Not a great choice either, but it ended the Pacific War fast enough to not get anymore soldier and civilian casualties.
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Saner
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| Posted: Mon, 8th Aug 2005 19:03 Post subject: |
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the bomb should never have been dropped, but It was....
i dont blame the americans for it, but I do thinking signing the second bomb was a little over the top.
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I saw things like that in here and in other "woman problems" topics so...... Am I the only one that thinks some authorities needs to be alerted about Saner and him possibly being a rapist and/or kidnapper ? |
Saner is not being serious. Unless its the subject of Santa!
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