ok granted the script sounded better, but at the same time, isnt this what we WANT from studios? to try to make something NEW rather than just retreading the old ground? i think its actually a great idea to make a franchise that does its OWN thing,set in the alien universe and ultimately links in to the franchise, but at the same time is something new.
the only real failing in prometheus, which becomes quite apparent when visiting that link... was that they brought in whats-his-name to redo the script, still trying to link in with the key moments in the original, while radically changing what the film was about... it really does explain the unease i felt during the film, with scenes feeling rushed and nonsensical, and just plotdevices.... seems pretty obvious now that he was trying to lift key events from the original, and loosely write 'whatever', just to tie them together.
if they had gone with this 'new story' concept RIGHT from the start, and hired a scriptwriter who could build it up from scratch right from the beginning, it would have been fantastic.
i too, would love to see more alien films, but at the same time, i loved the idea of prometheus doing its own thing that was vaguely connected to alien. i think i like it more than just flat out doing another alien film, even.
I can't speak for others.
But, for my part, I do want something new. But in that case, it should be ENTIRELY new - and have ZERO connection to Alien. For the record, I feel exactly the same about the latest Star Trek movie. As in, I hate what it did to Star Trek.
The way they handled it is just about the worst way I can imagine. They obviously wanted to touch upon the Alien universe - and they obviously wanted to connect the dots in one way or the other. But, at the same time, they completely changed everything and that with one of the worst scripts I've ever known. Almost nothing about it makes any sense - and the characters are completely void of plausible motivations and they're not even likable.
I also wanted an Alien prequel. I wanted a good story explaining exactly what happened - and I don't think it's that hard to do something new with the source material. James Cameron did it brilliantly with Aliens. He took the source material and treated it with respect - and then he expanded upon it and took it to another level.
and for my part, i love the idea of creating a connected/consistent universe in which to ground your story, even more when that story can touch upon other stories... it makes that film 'reality' that much more real and 'fuller'... gives it more life.
and really, as far as prometheus goes, there is no question they fucked the script sideways... that goes without saying.
but if it HAD gotten a good script, and still been set in the same alien universe, it would have been fantastic... and i honestly believe, it would be even better being set in the alien universe, than it would have been set in its own self contained one.
loved the setup, loved the idea of a 'SUBTLE' connection, but without a doubt, a poor poor script that damaged the films MASSIVE potential.
but i guess we just have massively differing opinions, which is fine. i, for example, loved what they did with star trek... it manages to re-do, yet completely reimagine the original series, without upsetting anything that was done in the original franchise and in no way lessens or attempts to rewrite it... it allows both the old and the new to sit side-by-side, without 'interfering' with each other.i thought it was an absolutely fantastic idea
oh and finally, i dont actually really want an alien prequel... (huge fan of the franchise though... apart from alien 4, naturally) - ii dont want too much of the mystery ruined of the aliens. thats probably why i like the subtle approach of prometheus even more... just giving vaguely connected ideas of their origin and (hopefully) leaving it at that... in fact, id have liked it to have been even less, i think adding the alien at the end was stupid to be honest. it was a fantastically creepy design, but the film didnt need it. just the black mutagen on its own, and the squid scene would have been enough.
and for my part, i love the idea of creating a connected/consistent universe in which to ground your story, even more when that story can touch upon other stories... it makes that film 'reality' that much more real and 'fuller'... gives it more life.
and really, as far as prometheus goes, there is no question they fucked the script sideways... that goes without saying.
but if it HAD gotten a good script, and still been set in the same alien universe, it would have been fantastic... and i honestly believe, it would be even better being set in the alien universe, than it would have been set in its own self contained one.
loved the setup, loved the idea of a 'SUBTLE' connection, but without a doubt, a poor poor script that damaged the films MASSIVE potential.
but i guess we just have massively differing opinions, which is fine. i, for example, loved what they did with star trek... it manages to re-do, yet completely reimagine the original series, without upsetting anything that was done in the original franchise and in no way lessens or attempts to rewrite it... it allows both the old and the new to sit side-by-side, without 'interfering' with each other.i thought it was an absolutely fantastic idea
Well, about Prometheus - I'm not sure we're so very far apart. You're saying that if it was completely different - it would have been better, and I agree.
The biggest issue is the script and in particular the characters and their behavior. But the concept could potentially work if handled well. But that's theoretical, so it's hard to say.
But about Star Trek, we're certainly extremely different. I think they completely raped the concept - and made it into a stupid/illogical mess playing for cheap humor (ugh, when I think of the Scotty character...) - instead of making it about interesting science and philosophical ideas. I know, I know - most of the movies haven't dealt with that in-depth. But quite a few of them have been pretty good and have treated the characters with respect.
The way they changed Spock into a hormone-driven teenager and Kirk into a nauseating smart-ass, and especially how Scotty has become a complete joke - is not something I react to very well. I'm too big a fan of the characters and the better aspects of the franchise.
Still, I'm in the minority - I'm sure. Also, not supporting it is a losing battle. Nothing about the new take will be what I want, so those who like it are bound to be in for some great stuff.
Oh well.
All of this probably makes me sound like a massive geek, and I suppose to an extent that's true. However, I can count on one hand the amount of movies/series I truly care about. I think Alien and Star Trek are about the only ones that could make me actually upset when handled poorly. I used to be quite annoyed with the new Star Wars shit - but it never meant that much to me. It was always fluff, anyway. I don't think of Alien/Trek as fluff.
I actually did, certain 3D movies belong in my collection and this is one of them - usually I burn them but I got it for under $20 so thats fine with me
I wasn't going to drag this thread back up, since this will totally prove me wrong in what I was saying a few pages back, but this is quite interesting and explains the choppy editing of the Fifield attack scene...
I bought the 4 disc 3dBR/BR/DVD/digital copy version
It was only $20 at futureshop after trading in my Commando DVD for $10 off the original price. I figured since I saved the $40 not seeing it in the theatre I could buy it guilt free, at least it's a 5/5 when it comes to audio/video quality!
I've already had several rounds of purging of shitty DVDs (ie just given away) ... sadly my barebones Commando was the bottom of the barrel. I guess I figured I would never watch it given that I also have the BR rip of it that looks a fair amount better...actually I think I've watched it a couple times on TV since I've even watched the BR rip, and probably 5 years since the disc was ever played.
the funny part was that the sales lady said they donate all the trade-ins to the boys and girls club ... hope they like the violence!
Original Prometheus script, before Lindelof destroyed it with his negative talent.
Much better - and I was engaged reading it from start to finish. Still, it's ultimately a mediocre story - but at least it's not complete and total shit like the movie. Every single change from this one to the final script is a step back. Quite impressive.
Petting a giant alien centipede? Totally legit.
Petting alien cobra? omg what a noob.
Spaihts' draft is equally as flawed as Lindelof's, and is completely by-the-numbers and uninspired. At least Lindelof tried to make it something more interesting, rather than just another shitty Alien movie.
Petting a giant alien centipede? Totally legit.
Petting alien cobra? omg what a noob.
Spaihts' draft is equally as flawed as Lindelof's, and is completely by-the-numbers and uninspired. At least Lindelof tried to make it something more interesting, rather than just another shitty Alien movie.
You're certainly entitled to your opinion
Congrats on finding a single similar flaw among the dozens in the Lindelof script
But I'll agree it's not very inspired. It's almost a repeat of the original Alien script from 1976.
Still, miles ahead of the travesty that Lindelof put out.
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Why the hate for this excellent movie?
Prometheus is one of the best SF movies of all the time.
If someone isn't bright enough, to understand what the film is about, go see a Poo Poo Rambo shit and afterwards.
That, or someone who thinks that profundity is about stupid implausible characters and "big" questions about our creators - that we started asking ourselves at age 10, without any kind of insight or answer.
Well done, Ridley and Lindelof! You made another teenager "think" hard!
Why the hate for this excellent movie?
Prometheus is one of the best SF movies of all the time.
If someone isn't bright enough, to understand what the film is about, go see a Poo Poo Rambo shit and afterwards.
Did you fall for the Jesus was an engineer explanation? because if that is the case
But that's way, it's said "Science Fiction" and non "Science Facts"
As a fictitious film it's damn well done, open in different interpretations for open minded people.
If somebody want chewed his morsel, or can't enjoy a dam good made work of Fiction, then go see spiderman
Yes, let's make a movie about idiots, that suggests a lot of crap that makes no sense and which can be interpreted every which way. Oh, and let's add some seriously non-sensical religious overtones - because Ridley is gettting old and needs to comfort himself somehow.
That's BRILLIANT!
It's like the movie version of Scientology!
Much better than movies that make sense like that awful Alien and its sequel.
But that's way, it's said "Science Fiction" and non "Science Facts"
As a fictitious film it's damn well done, open in different interpretations for open minded people.
If somebody want chewed his morsel, or can't enjoy a dam good made work of Fiction, then go see spiderman
no just no.
they removed detail. like... ignore it.
lindelololololf is the reason why lost became what it did.
and throughout prometheus the forced religious spiel... it doesn't work.
it wasn't needed. they hinted at so many things and ignored them and just went in totally different direction. it's just sloppy.
everything else is great. but the script is a total mess.
Prometheus isn't a movie for idiots, but probably the not so clever boys can't interpret - appreciate the abstractive scripture and they dismiss what aren't simpleton like them
If ever there was a case of The Emperor's New Clothes - Prometheus is it
No, my mistake. I'm not "smart" enough to interpret its deep meaning. That must be why there's a different interpretation for every person seeing it.
That's the brilliance of it. The way it's completely random!
I guess that explains Ridley's last few turd movies. He has transcended human movie making - and has become a true messiah. Robin Hood was another example of brilliance, right? It's not a completely redundant movie with nothing of consequence to offer? No, it's ABSTRACTIVE!
A good fantasy script end's, many times, in a different way that it was intended by the author at first. That's way people with extraordinary fantasy are not, visibly, so good organized in their mind but their works are staying in history. Take Tolkien like an example for this.
What I think is that in the second part they will clear the "mess" you talk about, and that this type of narration is intended, so many options can be open and that is prerequisite for creative minds to work.
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afterwards.
no just no.
