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ChinUp
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| MaroW wrote: | i dont think you get the point... an adults mind doesnt work like a childs mind... a childs mind is pure... an adults mind is spoilt by his surroundings... try to learn a new language at the age of 50... it will take like 3 or more times the time it would take a kid to learn it...
you have to be the one to grow up... and see the world is no fancy place where everybody can be happy... therell always be bad ppl no matter how good of a surrounding you have...
and last but not least.... mental health professionals that take care of criminals for decades? ok... if you pay it... cause if you take money for that... theres even less money for education and for institutions that maybe can prevent ppl from even becoming criminals... listen to yourself... i dont know any country that has enough money to even give every child a proper education... |
ok I will do this in reverse order .. Denmark provides spot on education as a result of their low military spending .. rofl .. ok next
You are pedaling doom & gloom stop it .. that is no way to get on with solving the problems we need to sort out ..” its to much work .. lets not even bother “.. NOT
An adult can feel the pain of guilt even more heavily as a result of their years .. Humans stop physical development @ around 21 .. problem solving techniques are ever changing such is the nature of brain cells .. every 7 years you are a new set of behavioral formulas.
But this is all academic silliness .. I completely refuse to adopt your “were all screwed just treat violent crime by locking them up together & killing the real bad ones solution” .. because it is no solution it is picking a fucking scab..
until our legislators can have some faith in the fact that society can behave in a decent way & violent crime can be kept to a minimum via proper example & humane policies in regards to violent crime ..
You know its only the US, The middle east, Africa & the orient that maintain this barbaric kill lock them up stupidity. The same countries that maintain unrest in this world .. only when the governments of the world grow up & start behaving like adults who care, rather than disgruntled children who just bully because they cant be arsed to pull their socks up & make real, intelligent, mature decisions in regards to violent behavior present in their own societies, actually address it rather than hide it away & say it cant be helped . FFS
"Most of the change we think we see in life is due to truths being in & out of favor." ~ Frost
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MAD_MAX333
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| Posted: Fri, 5th Aug 2005 02:02 Post subject: |
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a AGREE we need more seperation in jails.. we need alot more educational and job oppertunities in jails to get people busy in there to make money and trained for real life... that's whats going to stop them from reoffending.
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ChinUp
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| Posted: Fri, 5th Aug 2005 02:11 Post subject: |
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| MAD_MAX333 wrote: | | a AGREE we need more seperation in jails.. we need alot more educational and job oppertunities in jails to get people busy in there to make money and trained for real life... that's whats going to stop them from reoffending. |
yes .. but separation must be graded by behavioral problems .. inmates must not feel camaraderie in contempt & cruelty.. the governors slip into bullying because the problem is not kept diluted & separated.
The simple fact that a person who comes out of prison is better informed as to the criminal mind shows the failure that prison is. If law enforcement & professional mental health methods are blended & trained to address the cancerous behavioral problems that cause violent crime. Re-offenders would be dramatically reduced because it would no longer be fashionable to be violent .. to be a mental case is not so cool as being a violent rebel ..
"Most of the change we think we see in life is due to truths being in & out of favor." ~ Frost
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MAD_MAX333
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| Posted: Fri, 5th Aug 2005 02:34 Post subject: |
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what caused you to start this thread?
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ChinUp
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SycoShaman
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| Posted: Fri, 5th Aug 2005 02:54 Post subject: |
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| fisk wrote: | | MaroW wrote: | well... if he is "against all gods" and he reads satanic stuff.. he does belive in god... cause you cant be against somtn that doesnt exist... and where theres good... theres evil...
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Wrong.
Satan, means "to oppose"/"opposer".
You're making a cardinal error, thinking satanism exclusively is the worship of the devil.
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If you want to educate yourself:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanism
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Aye  and thanks for the info |
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ChinUp
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| Posted: Fri, 5th Aug 2005 13:51 Post subject: |
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so the general consensus is .. violent criminal mentality/behavior (no compassion, just contempt) is an acceptable way to deal with criminals .. no need to show an example of better problem solving techniques to the populous, just make the ones who get caught suffer for it .. all the while showing folks that being cruel & heartless towards violent criminals is acceptable governing policy.
giving up on decency in exchange for the easy option of locking them up or killing them off .. is only making more violent criminals .IMo & making violent criminals feel akin to governors to boot. Same methods just no badge, to justify their cruelty.
"Most of the change we think we see in life is due to truths being in & out of favor." ~ Frost
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Saner
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| Posted: Fri, 5th Aug 2005 14:29 Post subject: |
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i think its a hard thing to decide like this.
It comes down a hell of a lot to the type of person you are dealing with, and the crime that they have commited.
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I saw things like that in here and in other "woman problems" topics so...... Am I the only one that thinks some authorities needs to be alerted about Saner and him possibly being a rapist and/or kidnapper ? |
Saner is not being serious. Unless its the subject of Santa!
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| Posted: Fri, 5th Aug 2005 16:07 Post subject: |
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| ChinUp wrote: | so the general consensus is .. violent criminal mentality/behavior (no compassion, just contempt) is an acceptable way to deal with criminals .. no need to show an example of better problem solving techniques to the populous, just make the ones who get caught suffer for it .. all the while showing folks that being cruel & heartless towards violent criminals is acceptable governing policy.
giving up on decency in exchange for the easy option of locking them up or killing them off .. is only making more violent criminals .IMo & making violent criminals feel akin to governors to boot. Same methods just no badge, to justify their cruelty. |
There's no other way then to summarize what you said as pure bullshit.
Violent criminals existed, exist and will exist 'till end of world, if they didn't we would have had paradise on earth long time ago. While some individuals could be possibly cured many others would not. How the fuck can you be so sure that someone who murdred before won't murder again after his treatment? You're so eager to help them but how will you help their next victims should treatment fail? There have been plenty of attempts misguided as your to help the criminals. The message it always gave out to public was one: Murder without conequences. You think that's better message to comunity? Why are you so eager to save a serious criminal by risking lives of others who commited no crime?.
Life time penalties are absolutely the best compromise between "faith in ability for criminal to change" and protecting their would be victims.
ps. your pool questions lack option "lock them in prison to protect innocents", you're obviously failing to see most important argument there.
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ChinUp
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| Posted: Fri, 5th Aug 2005 16:22 Post subject: |
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| abcdefghij wrote: | There's no other way then to summarize what you said as pure bullshit.
Violent criminals existed, exist and will exist 'till end of world, if they didn't we would have had paradise on earth long time ago. While some individuals could be possibly cured many others would not. How the fuck can you be so sure that someone who murdered before won't murder again after his treatment? You're so eager to help them but how will you help their next victims should treatment fail? There have been plenty of attempts misguided as your to help the criminals. The message it always gave out to public was one: Murder without consequences. You think that's better message to community? Why are you so eager to save a serious criminal by risking lives of others who committed no crime?.
Life time penalties are absolutely the best compromise between "faith in ability for criminal to change" and protecting their would be victims.
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you presume I think violent criminals can be cured .. You presume I want violent criminals to be returned to the streets as soon as possible .. you could not be further from the truth of my sentiments ..
My point is simple .. so long as we deal in cruel solutions criminals will also .. vicious cycle of cruelty ..
They were real bad so we killed them < -- this is a justification for violent crime found every day .. what are lawmakers doing making the same sorts of decisions ??
They were bad so we locked them in the basement < -- another cruel justification for violent behavior. Lawmakers are making decisions like violent criminals .. get it
Governments must be seen to be above violent problem solving techniques imo
I for one want to see violent & sexual criminals taken out of society for @ least twice as long as they are taken out now plus removed from other criminals. Make them live like the head cases they are .. decades of mental examinations & training is a humane way to deal with violent crime a way to return some dignity to society.
Are you proud of the poll showing that folks prefer violence over compassion ?
"Most of the change we think we see in life is due to truths being in & out of favor." ~ Frost
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