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VonMisk
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juniR
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| Posted: Mon, 22nd Oct 2012 12:35 Post subject: |
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The lag has absolutely nothing at all to to with the sound source. It's not dynamic i.e. it will NOT vary if the sound source varies regardless of source quality. If you turn the volume on any good guitar with a decent pickup down enough you will actually emulate the low output of cheap guitar pickups and if what you say was correct vegitayo, you'd get lag with even good guitars at low volume as you effectively reduce the levels of all frequencies. You could plug the cheapest guitar in the world in and the lag will be the same as if you plugged in a '59 Les Paul. The cheap one would almost certainly be harder to play and sound shit tho.
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| Posted: Mon, 22nd Oct 2012 12:49 Post subject: |
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Will the game work with an acoustic guitar getting a magnetic pickup or the lag will be even worse?
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juniR
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| Posted: Mon, 22nd Oct 2012 13:30 Post subject: |
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Mate - the lag will be unaffected by the sound source including your acoustic pickup - seriously that's not how it works. However, an acoustic guitar processed does sound shit compared to an electric when you have an overdriven sound for instance but it may be enough for a bit of fun and to give you some ideas.
Anyone interested in the possibility of plugging their guitar into their PC should check out Guitar Rig and Amplitube and maybe Overloud TH2. You'll probably have to suss out how to config your sound card. ASIO capability is essential but even you your card doesn't support it then there is a wrapper ASIO4ALL which works with the majority. I use my X-Fi card as it has ASIO already but I also have a Behringer UCG102 which I use live with a laptop. You can get cheap clones of the UCG for about 10 euros or 15$ but I dunno how reliable they are. In any case it's usually easy enough to plug the guitar lead into into a 1/8" generic adapter for the mic/line in on your sound card running with ASIO drivers/wrapper and play. Yeah you need to tweak settings but if you've never tried it then you're definitely missing out. I have a guitar amp and effects units and I never use them. 
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| Posted: Mon, 22nd Oct 2012 13:44 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Mon, 22nd Oct 2012 13:46 Post subject: |
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vegitayo
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| Posted: Mon, 22nd Oct 2012 13:53 Post subject: |
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Is not about the volume of the freq , is the "quality" for example a cheap guitar with single coil pickups if you take your hand of the strings you'll actually find radio stations with it and about the lag due not too good pickups , i connected my guitar (dean vmnt) with standard jack-jack connection (on amplitube without asio) and my lag was about 0.5 sec then i connected a cheap guitar with i had from a friend and the lag passed 1-1.5 sec , if the quality of the pickups are poor the signal they transmit is not continue and fluctuates , with a analog amp you won't have any troubles ( besides not that great tone and occasional radio stations) but you feel the freq fluctuations on a sustained note but with a digital processor you'll get weird non consistent sounds , the problem is not the volume is how long it takes to be processed , if the sounds fluctuates and is not consistent will get a bit more for the PC (in this case) to figure it out , but that don't mean it need to happen with every cheap guitar , may not happen at all but that might be a factor for the lag
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| Posted: Mon, 22nd Oct 2012 13:56 Post subject: |
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NIGos
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| Posted: Mon, 22nd Oct 2012 14:43 Post subject: |
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It's all about learning to play a real guitar... therefore using a joypad would be quite pointless. Only RealTone cable works for now, but I read that some guys are trying to emulate or bypass it.
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vegitayo
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| Posted: Mon, 22nd Oct 2012 15:14 Post subject: |
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Let them 2-3 months and we'll have cheap fake chinese real tone cable or they will find a way to emulate it and will support standard jack>jack cable
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| Posted: Mon, 22nd Oct 2012 15:20 Post subject: |
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My brother has a stealthplus cs, does anyone know if it works with this game?
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juniR
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| Posted: Mon, 22nd Oct 2012 15:26 Post subject: |
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| vegitayo wrote: | | Is not about the volume of the freq , is the "quality" for example a cheap guitar with single coil pickups if you take your hand of the strings you'll actually find radio stations with it and about the lag due not too good pickups , i connected my guitar (dean vmnt) with standard jack-jack connection (without asio) and my lag was about 0.5 sec then i connected a cheap guitar with i had from a friend and the lag passed 1-1.5 sec , if the quality of the pickups are poor the signal they transmit is not continue and fluctuates , with a analog amp you won't have any troubles ( besides not that great tone and occasional radio stations) but with a digital processor you'll get weird non consistent sounds , the problem is not the volume is how long it takes to be processed , if the sounds fluctuates and is not consistent will get a bit more for the PC (in this case) to figure it out , but that don't mean it need to happen with every cheap guitar , may not happen at all but that might be a factor for the lag |
Sorry mate but that makes no sense at all... there's no logical reason for such a difference and in all my years using guitar software I've never had any such variation between instruments and I've played shit guitars thru this stuff as well as good ones - and if you ain't using ASIO then why bother - it has to be pretty unplayable? Half a second is ridiculous and Ubi will be using their own system (or some ASIO based software) to reduce lag anyway.
"Quality of frequency" - I really have no idea what that means. You can talk about sound quality which is made up of various sound waves of varying frequencies with different speeds and amplitude but "quality of frequency" is not something I've ever heard of. And it is EXACTLY about the volume of the frequencies. Drop out the bass frequencies (i.e. reduce their volume) and the guitar sounds thin and even tinny. That's obvious no?
Radio stations and interference with single coils etc is irrelevant - it has zero to do with lag. Pops, squeals, dropouts, buzzes stuttering etc - all possibly to do with the sound source and poor resources but the lag is fixed and based on sample size and number of samples allocated.
Oh and my Fender Strat with it's decent stock single coils will pick up interference in some circumstances due to the fact that although the pickups are fine they are (traditionally) not screened and have no hum cancellation like twin coils do. It's nothing to do with sound conversion. I get no change in lag whatever guitar I use. If what you are saying is correct then it would imply that the lag is actually proportional to some output from the pickups - It's just not the case mate. Dunno what you were doing that altered your lag from one guitar to the next but the sound processing is not even dependent on using a guitar. Any sound source plugged in will be processed. I could play an elastic band into a mic plugged in and get exactly the same response. If I set up any computer reduce lag I don't even play a note - I simply click the strings and listen for any delay. That click isn't exactly a fantastic quality sound. It's all that's needed to identify any lag using any guitar. Then I'll play and if there are no anomalies in the sound I'm happy.
I ain't an expert on AD/DA conversion btw. All I say is based on experience of working professionally with a computerised guitar system for years. I set the latency in my systems where I want it (i.e. totally unnoticeable) and it never budges whatever guitar I plug in. If there were latency issues dependent on any variation in guitar model I'd know. They don't exist and logically shouldn't as guitar processing is just a development of regular sound processing and synthesis which is why the source is irrelevant.
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vegitayo
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| Posted: Mon, 22nd Oct 2012 15:36 Post subject: |
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I'm not an expert either , based on my little "experiment" (and i used without ASIO to see if there's differences in lag with it was ) with those guitars i think that's the problem , i might be all wrong that why i always said "it might me" is an idea i have no clue if that's right or not 
But i tend to go with your option since you say that you used guitar softs for a long time i only used them few times just to experiment with them ( i always use analog stuff for my guitars )
And the radio was just a random example , what i meant to say was shitty pickups can make some weird problems
So... i guess i was wrong
In other hand i think is the best to learn guitar in the "standard" way cuz you need to know what you're doing not just to know to play a song , you need to understand what you play if you wanna be a good guitarist , i don't know how well the game teaches you maybe is really really good maybe not. But it can be fun so i can see the appeal for this game
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juniR
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| Posted: Mon, 22nd Oct 2012 15:59 Post subject: |
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Nah - It's not about me being right and you being wrong mate. It's summat I know about - that's all and if it helps others understand how stuff works and also how much money they wanna spend on a guitar then that's all that's important.
You can get problems with shit guitars but lag ain't one of them. It might be hard to play or sound shit but expensive guitars aren't always the best and I have a few pro mates who play cheap guitars as their main instrument. If you wanna play you need a good guitar but that doesn't mean it has to be expensive. If you can it's best to take advice from a player when buying.
And I agree - this game isn't the way to "learn" guitar in case anyone thinks this is gonna make them into a rock god. It might be a kind of booster pack for some beginners and low ability improvers but I just can't see it working long term except as a side thing you do when you get bored with real practice and study. I might look at it for 5 mins myself. I spend hours everyday just playing and improvising. This game couldn't match that level of entertainment and fun for me. But I don't think it's a bad thing. If it does maintain a level of interest and encouragement and flcks the odd switch in your brain then it's all good.
Oh if you haven't got a guitar then don't go with the packaged one. Maybe spend a couple hundred euros/pounds on a Squier Strat or Epiphone Les Paul Studio (or maybe the cheaper LP 100). They will be fairly decent guitars but also much more sellable if you give it up. That's only if you wanna learn - if you wanna just play the game with a real guitar get the cheapest guitar you can find 
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vegitayo
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| Posted: Mon, 22nd Oct 2012 16:34 Post subject: |
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@juniR that wasn't about who's right after we talked a bit about it i think you're right about it ^_^
About the guitars for those who want to buy one, you should get the guitar that fits you the most , never get a guitar by its price tag . Pick the guitar based on what you wanna play (don't get a jazz guitar for metal or something like that) also see what fits you the best (neck size and angle , freetboard action and speed and such) and what you're comfortable with and have the sound you want  . The price tag does not matter is the tone that matters so find the one that fits you the best !
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| Posted: Mon, 22nd Oct 2012 16:39 Post subject: |
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Derp question incoming: I can't read music and I have never even touched an electric guitar, should I bother with the game or is it a waste of time?
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vegitayo
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| Posted: Mon, 22nd Oct 2012 16:46 Post subject: |
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| ixigia wrote: | | Derp question incoming: I can't read music and I have never even touched an electric guitar, should I bother with the game or is it a waste of time? |
Well ixi i don't know how good is the game to learn you but you don't have to know to read music , the game uses some kind of tablature and that mean the game will tell you something like "press 5 then 8 then 6 then 5 again, that are the spaces on your guitar , i know that's still confusing but it's really easy to get it , but once again i don't know how good is the game to teach you.
But to answer your question shortly you don't need to have any musical knowledge to understand what the game wants you to play And once again i recommend to learn guitar by "standard" way if you want to learn how to play
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| Posted: Mon, 22nd Oct 2012 16:55 Post subject: |
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| vegitayo wrote: | | ixigia wrote: | | Derp question incoming: I can't read music and I have never even touched an electric guitar, should I bother with the game or is it a waste of time? |
Well ixi i don't know how good is the game to learn you but you don't have to know to read music , the game uses some kind of tablature and that mean the game will tell you something like "press 5 then 8 then 6 then 5 again, that are the spaces on your guitar , i know that's still confusing but it's really easy to get it , but once again i don't know how good is the game to teach you.
But to answer your question shortly you don't need to have any musical knowledge to understand what the game wants you to play And once again i recommend to learn guitar by "standard" way if you want to learn how to play |
lol! Ok thanks, should be more than doable with my Logitech Les Paul then |
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zmed
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| Posted: Mon, 22nd Oct 2012 17:00 Post subject: |
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Derp question from me as well: is it essential to have a guitar plugged in, or can I use it as a learning tool with my acoustic one?
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juniR
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| Posted: Mon, 22nd Oct 2012 17:01 Post subject: |
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you need some kind of input mate - pickup on the acoustic would do it.
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vegitayo
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| Posted: Mon, 22nd Oct 2012 17:01 Post subject: |
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| zmed wrote: | | Derp question from me as well: is it essential to have a guitar plugged in, or can I use it as a learning tool with my acoustic one? |
I'm pretty sure you need a guitar plugged in , for a "learning tool" use Guitar Pro a software that shows you how to play songs (pm me if you need more info)
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| Posted: Mon, 22nd Oct 2012 20:44 Post subject: |
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Someone over TPB found a way to use your PC sound card by changing its name to Rocksmith USB Guitar Adapter through registry and a modified exe.
Look for Rocksmith crack torrent in TPB and read the comments.
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