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 Posted: Thu, 27th Sep 2012 23:10 Post subject: Notch Snubs Microsoft, Refuses to Certify Minecraft for Win8 |
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| Quote: | | Microsoft's Windows 8 is proving to be a problem for game developers, who apart from finding the interface completely unwieldy are concerned with the way the operating system's built-in app store is turning into a bottleneck for games distribution. Valve's Gabe Newell calls it "a catastrophe." Blizzard doesn't like it either. Now, Mojang founder and Minecraft creator Markus "Notch" Persson is joining the anti-Windows 8 ranks by refusing certification for the game on the platform. |
| Quote: | | Twitter: Got an email from microsoft, wanting to help "certify" minecraft for win 8. I told them to stop trying to ruin the pc as an open platform. |
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| Posted: Thu, 27th Sep 2012 23:25 Post subject: |
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Notch is just hating for the sake of hating on the bandwagon because he's never even used Windows 8 so who cares about the appstore or the Start Menu since only noobs use the Start Menu and Windows 8 is the future so get over it.
*phew*
I think I managed to get them all in that one, hideously broken, sentence.
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| Posted: Thu, 27th Sep 2012 23:37 Post subject: |
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| sabin1981 wrote: | | Notch is just hating for the sake of hating on the bandwagon because he's never even used Windows 8 so who cares about the appstore or the Start Menu since only noobs use the Start Menu and Windows 8 is the future so get over it. |
That's what I thought at first, but the situation is more nuanced than that.
Windows 8 is really turning into a catastrophe, for developers and users alike. In fact, everything that has to do with the Windows "metro" brand is turning Windows into complete shit. People are pissed about that, but Microsoft keeps pushing it onto them.
Microsoft is also nervous that they're losing "app store revenue" that Apple has so neatly captured. So instead of sticking to Windows' roots of "install anything", they're pulling an Apple and trying to force their new store onto everyone. Not only will this centralize distribution of Windows programs in an inefficient manner, it will also give Microsoft a platform from which they can continue their monopolistic practices. Instead of having an open platform, of sorts, Microsoft is pushing for a platform where they can choke off anyone they don't like at will.
This is bullshit, and a lot of people are angry about it. So to try and propagandize their new store, Microsoft has put together this bullshit "certification policy" that really doesn't do anything. Then they try to get developers to "certify" themselves, and lend legitimacy to their bullshit app store and their bullshit designs for Windows 8/Microsoft.
Notch didn't appreciate being used as a pawn in Microsoft's latest round of idiotic policy making, so he politely told em to shove it and with a simple tweet announced his opposition to the direction Microsoft is taking with Windows. Good.
The new article spin makes him a little pretentious, but that's really not it. Notch handled the matter well and didn't make a fuss out of it, and I hope more developers follow suit. Then maybe Microsoft will understand that they're not Apple, they can't get away with shoving shit down people's throats, and that they really should keep Windows as it is: A popular operating system that we can build apps and games on top of with ease, and not have it turn it into some funky Web 3.0 piece unusable of bubbly shit with an autocratic software management policy.
Phew, that was longer than expected.
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| Posted: Thu, 27th Sep 2012 23:52 Post subject: |
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aye win8 is a disaster when every thing you install has to be piss blessed by M$ making it a fucking console
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| Posted: Fri, 28th Sep 2012 00:28 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Fri, 28th Sep 2012 00:51 Post subject: |
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I dunno Sabin, you are the notorious member for liking some atrocious games  Maybe he thought you were acquiring the same taste for operating systems.
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| Posted: Fri, 28th Sep 2012 01:18 Post subject: |
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Speaking of rough edges....they need to remake Boiling Point, I've been thinking about re installing it but the bugs...dear god the bugs.
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| Posted: Fri, 28th Sep 2012 01:22 Post subject: |
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See? Boiling Point is awesome, but listen to the derps and it's a pile of crap... pffft. It's a buggy game, sure, but I've finished it three times now \o/
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| Posted: Fri, 28th Sep 2012 06:48 Post subject: |
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out of curiosity is dx12 win8 only? thats how microsoft got me last time. fucking dx10 
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| Posted: Fri, 28th Sep 2012 07:16 Post subject: |
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World news 
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| Posted: Fri, 28th Sep 2012 07:55 Post subject: |
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Hey, notch is god to a lot of people, and his hatred of Microsoft is his holy word to the masses
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| Posted: Fri, 28th Sep 2012 09:32 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Fri, 28th Sep 2012 10:01 Post subject: |
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If you look at Windows 8 being made just for Tablets and smartphones I think it does that well.
The problem is when they decided they should also make it their next desktop OS. For the Surface Pro it looks like a brilliant OS. For my home desktop it looks fucking stupid.
The GUI has been essentially the same in Windows since 95. If you only ever used Windows 95 and then suddenly were forced to use Windows 7 you could jump right in without much issue.
Meanwhile, you could be a Windows 7 poweruser and be fucking clueless when it comes to using 8. The classic Start button / Taskbar / Explorer design of Windows works. It doesn't need to be gotten rid of, and Microsoft is being stupid about that fact.
I can name so many pieces of software in the past that were 'the best' and then ruined because the developer decided they should start from scratch or change the GUI entirely. Quark Express anyone?
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| Posted: Fri, 28th Sep 2012 11:40 Post subject: |
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Stick with Xp and show M$ the middle finger.
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| Posted: Fri, 28th Sep 2012 12:13 Post subject: |
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I'll stick with 7 thank you. As good as XP was it's shit compared to 7 at this point.
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| Posted: Fri, 28th Sep 2012 16:02 Post subject: |
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I like win8 and will be installing is as soon as I get my dreamspark cdkey from the school
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| Posted: Fri, 28th Sep 2012 16:12 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Fri, 28th Sep 2012 16:34 Post subject: |
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Yeah, posting something by John Callhurrham gives you a lot of credibility. 
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| Posted: Fri, 28th Sep 2012 16:37 Post subject: |
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It doesn't matter who wrote it, point still stands. His game is on xbox and ios and he is complaining about windows being a closed system.
| Quote: | These certifications are nothing but good. As long as Windows 8 doesn't block non-certified programs you still have a open platform.
Certification means your program follows a specific set of rules in regards how it behaves, such as;
1.1 Your app must not take a dependency on Windows compatibility modes, AppHelp message, and or any other compatibility fixes
4.1 Your app must handle critical shutdowns appropriately
5.1 Your app must properly implement a clean, reversible installation
Windows 8 Software Certification gives you programs that behave in a specific and predictable way according to a unified set of rules. |
I don't see how this is bad for any user and all I see a lazy dev trying to be edgy.
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| Posted: Fri, 28th Sep 2012 16:42 Post subject: |
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He doesn't want to support win8, what don't you understand.
Notch is cool and you are not, that is the main point here.
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| Posted: Fri, 28th Sep 2012 16:45 Post subject: |
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Lazy? It isn't very hard to implement the changes. That's not the point. The point is, consoles and iOS have always been closed environments. Here he protests the closing of an environment that used to be a flagship of open environments. Why is ARM closed in desktop mode? Because that would make people not sell their shit in the Microsoft store, thus Micrsoft used their powere and locked it. Likewise, in Windows 8, if you want Metro app (what Microsoft calls the "modern UI" - aka, dekstop is legacy), you have to sell on their store. Why? Because they want cash.
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| Posted: Fri, 28th Sep 2012 17:09 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Fri, 28th Sep 2012 17:17 Post subject: |
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| ivan1real wrote: | | And I remember Leo arguing about consistency and app standards on android, but on windows, who needs them. |
The fuck are you talking about? So far, the vast majority of Windows software is very consistent. Some adjustment was needed when we jumped from XP to Vista, but that was pretty painless. Having guidelines has nothing to do with store fascism. The Metro UI guideliness have been there for more than a year, and even more if you take the guidelines from WP7). It is in fact Linux (exactly like Android) that is lacking in consistency due to crazy amount of different opinions on how shit should look like.
Maybe you mean "consistency" between tablet interface and desktop interface, and for that I would say kindly fuck you sir!  |
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