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Posted: Wed, 27th Jul 2005 15:24 Post subject: |
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TheDuck wrote: | Freakshow wrote: |
Thats probably somehow the reason why DIE, IMS, RLD rebuild the exe
and ULTIMA does the dll. To crack the dll you need to be "god"  |
Thats not true, to create fully decrypted exe/dll/datafiles you need to understand the VM _FULLY_ not just some crc opcodes and rerouting some ops to "hooked" ones just to bypass cdcheck, Ultima way is easiest way possible for sf cracking. To make a full crack you need a logger, so log everything, means bylass all crc-checks, under ring3 and ring0, solve many maaany tricks used in the vm and so on, then analyse the logs, get the original code, rewrite the stolen opcodes into the exe/dlls, play the game entirely to get all protected data files - so please dont tell me which way requires a "god"  |
You've no idea how the ULT cracks work methinks, and I find the idea that RLD, etc, would rather spend weeks working on a release the extremely slow and painful way than use this so called easy method hilarious dude 
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TheDuck
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Posted: Wed, 27th Jul 2005 15:30 Post subject: |
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Maybe because ULT cracks are not working after driver update - full cracks work to this day since they were released. Oh and I know how ULT cracks work.
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Posted: Wed, 27th Jul 2005 15:39 Post subject: |
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CableMunkeh wrote: | TheDuck wrote: | Freakshow wrote: |
Thats probably somehow the reason why DIE, IMS, RLD rebuild the exe
and ULTIMA does the dll. To crack the dll you need to be "god"  |
Thats not true, to create fully decrypted exe/dll/datafiles you need to understand the VM _FULLY_ not just some crc opcodes and rerouting some ops to "hooked" ones just to bypass cdcheck, Ultima way is easiest way possible for sf cracking. To make a full crack you need a logger, so log everything, means bylass all crc-checks, under ring3 and ring0, solve many maaany tricks used in the vm and so on, then analyse the logs, get the original code, rewrite the stolen opcodes into the exe/dlls, play the game entirely to get all protected data files - so please dont tell me which way requires a "god"  |
You've no idea how the ULT cracks work methinks, and I find the idea that RLD, etc, would rather spend weeks working on a release the extremely slow and painful way than use this so called easy method hilarious dude  |
read Vengeance and Reloaded theire nfo they said under current scene rules ,with game cracks the commercial protection must be totaly removed. while this is absolute not the case with Ultima cracks .. thats why no other scene group have created this kind of crack . its not an clean crack 1its not nocd , 2 ugly sf driver still intact..
even though would be better if more groups created cracks like this better then no crack at all.
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Posted: Wed, 27th Jul 2005 17:00 Post subject: |
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jaapie18 wrote: |
Lets hope for groups like Ultima |
no need to hope you will never ever see a ULTIMA crack for the scene!
TheDuck wrote: |
Thats not true, to create fully decrypted exe/dll/datafiles you need to understand the VM _FULLY_ not just some crc opcodes and rerouting some ops to "hooked" ones just to bypass cdcheck, Ultima way is easiest way possible for sf cracking. To make a full crack you need a logger, so log everything, means bypass all crc-checks, under ring3 and ring0, solve many maaany tricks used in the vm and so on, then analyse the logs, get the original code, rewrite the stolen opcodes into the exe/dlls, play the game entirely to get all protected data files - so please dont tell me which way requires a "god" |
Your abit right with exe [even i prefer dll for some to you known reasons] is harder but not that much as you have to fuck al ring3 and ringo crcs too doing it the dll way and hey dont tell me about many tricks in VM you have to bypass them once too. The advantage dll way has is you do it once and can use the same patching for all versions with same vm/drivers. But to be true you allways need to remove drivers after update and add the ingame delivered ones.
TheDuck wrote: |
Maybe because ULT cracks are not working after driver update - full cracks work to this day since they were released. Oh and I know how ULT cracks work. |
I hope so and im sure you know 
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Posted: Wed, 27th Jul 2005 17:35 Post subject: |
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highstuff wrote: | read Vengeance and Reloaded theire nfo they said under current scene rules ,with game cracks the commercial protection must be totaly removed. while this is absolute not the case with Ultima cracks .. thats why no other scene group have created this kind of crack |
Sorry mate but do you really believe that Vengeance and Reloaded were able to release Xpand Rally and Colin 2005 but said: "We will not crack it this way, we will skip these two"? Especially look at Colin and Codemasters. Do you think they would skip that title? No, they would do it any way, only to release such a known title. So what is Vengeance and Reloaded if they couldn't understand the way Xpand was cracked and use it on other titles (for example Colin)? Are these two reliable to describe "scene rules"?
Freakshow wrote: | no need to hope you will never ever see a ULTIMA crack for the scene! |
Do you suggest that ULTiMA can crack any Star force version but will not do it for the scene anymore? If that's true then for whom they might be working? Competition (Safe disc, Secu rom)?
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Posted: Wed, 27th Jul 2005 17:42 Post subject: |
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rap3r wrote: | highstuff wrote: | read Vengeance and Reloaded theire nfo they said under current scene rules ,with game cracks the commercial protection must be totaly removed. while this is absolute not the case with Ultima cracks .. thats why no other scene group have created this kind of crack |
Sorry mate but do you really believe that Vengeance and Reloaded were able to release Xpand Rally and Colin 2005 but said: "We will not crack it this way, we will skip these two"? Especially look at Colin and Codemasters. Do you think they would skip that title? No, they would do it any way, only to release such a known title. So what is Vengeance and Reloaded if they couldn't understand the way Xpand was cracked and use it on Colin?
Freakshow wrote: | no need to hope you will never ever see a ULTIMA crack for the scene! |
Do you suggest that ULTiMA can crack any Star force version but will not do it for the scene anymore? If that's true then for whom they might be working? Competition (Safe disc, Secu rom?) |
Vengeance not but Reloaded might..not sure..but Ultima is absolute not the only group that can create such an driver sf3 crack .FLT and IMS where capable of doing this for sure but haven't done so cause its simple not an proper scene crack . they don't flame groups about loader and emulaing techniques for no reason ,this has to do with honour you crack it good or you don't crack it at all ,driver cracks like Ultima has not so much advantage over an emulating sf3 clone .this is not what cracks is about .
I still wish more groups used the Ultima method cause theire is not yet any faster cracking method or correct emulating . until faster cracking tools are created, use the Ultima driver crack technique and put in release name *driver crack* .
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Posted: Wed, 27th Jul 2005 17:46 Post subject: |
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It looks like you really believe that there are other groups capable of cracking Star force but they just don't like ULTiMA way and therefore won't release SCCT, Trackmania and so on.
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Posted: Wed, 27th Jul 2005 17:56 Post subject: |
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rap3r wrote: | It looks like you really believe that there are other groups capable of cracking Star force but they just don't like ULTiMA way and therefore won't release SCCT, Trackmania and so on. |
with the previous scene leader groups I am sure they could do so FLT ,IMS
now only advanced game scene group is RLD about them I am not sure if they can do it. and cdsteam ofcourse can also create such an Ultima crack. but they are only interesting in generic tools and proper cracks thats why you see no Ultima cracks from them.
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Posted: Wed, 27th Jul 2005 17:57 Post subject: |
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highstuff wrote: | I still wish more groups used the Ultima method cause theire is not yet any faster cracking method or correct emulating . until faster cracking tools are created, use the Ultima driver crack technique and put in release name *driver crack* . |
as i know ultima didn't crack any starforce driver but protect.dll which is starforce vm so why do u write about *driver crack*?
freakshow: can u confirm that info?
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Posted: Wed, 27th Jul 2005 17:58 Post subject: |
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ultima release were closer to carbon's second sight release then a reloaded silent hunter or area51 one
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Posted: Wed, 27th Jul 2005 20:22 Post subject: |
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lAmBaDa wrote: | highstuff wrote: | I still wish more groups used the Ultima method cause theire is not yet any faster cracking method or correct emulating . until faster cracking tools are created, use the Ultima driver crack technique and put in release name *driver crack* . |
as i know ultima didn't crack any starforce driver but protect.dll which is starforce vm so why do u write about *driver crack*?
freakshow: can u confirm that info? |
well protect.dll is somehow a driver (based) crack
protect.dll includes drivers, fonts, bitmaps, vm, ...
and the ultima crack is based on the delivered driver. Not because it wouldnt work with further drivers but starforce removes the "they call it hole" stuff and replace so with new driver it doesnt work anymore because sf adds/changes checks.
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Posted: Wed, 27th Jul 2005 21:38 Post subject: |
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yeah but i mean if ultima modifies driver itself or virtual machine instructions so we would know if it's a driver based crack or virtual machine based crack. u know it's a difference if they understand vm or modify driver only
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Posted: Wed, 27th Jul 2005 22:12 Post subject: |
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lAmBaDa wrote: | yeah but i mean if ultima modifies driver itself or virtual machine instructions so we would know if it's a driver based crack or virtual machine based crack. u know it's a difference if they understand vm or modify driver only |
they understnad. To do a crack like ultima does you need not only to debug vm, you need to fully decrypt and trace the vm ... at least for the first time of a sf3 version. After once done you can apply the same crack on identical sf3 without much debuging so sumup: its modify VM crack but blacklistable in the sf3 drivers!
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TheDuck
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Posted: Thu, 28th Jul 2005 07:45 Post subject: |
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That information is very interesting. Seems like ULTiMA somehow just doesn't want to release anymore but I don't think it's about FBI busts.
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Posted: Sun, 31st Jul 2005 15:32 Post subject: |
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so any news about cdsteam?
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Posted: Mon, 1st Aug 2005 00:03 Post subject: |
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bigboy177 wrote: | tim73 wrote: | These tools still aren't available. I'm only interested in the here and now. I'll believe these tools when I see them. |
They will never be released to the public... At least I hope so... |
i found a copy of 3.64 floating around, dont know if its legit yet though.
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Posted: Mon, 1st Aug 2005 00:42 Post subject: |
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Which program can bypass the Starforce 3 protection instead of Daemon Tools 4?
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Posted: Mon, 1st Aug 2005 01:30 Post subject: |
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Supermax2004 wrote: | Which program can bypass the Starforce 3 protection instead of Daemon Tools 4? |
we would wait 4 d tools if there were 100 % working other tools !
u can try starfuck or starforce nightmare, but its with disabling drives
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Posted: Mon, 1st Aug 2005 10:17 Post subject: |
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Quote: | i found a copy of 3.64 floating around, dont know if its legit yet though. |
and is possible to play starforce 3 games with it
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Posted: Mon, 1st Aug 2005 11:07 Post subject: |
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jaapie18 wrote: | Quote: | i found a copy of 3.64 floating around, dont know if its legit yet though. |
and is possible to play starforce 3 games with it????? |
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Posted: Mon, 1st Aug 2005 19:12 Post subject: |
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Watch sf4 come out the day after dt4 comes out to ruin the party heh.
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