As a kid of the 90s, I nostalgia'd. Is it only me, or it pop nowadays a thousand times worse? Come on, even Britney was "okay" when compared to the shit that is spewed out in 2010s
music hasn't really changed since then
a lot of these songs are just as awful as the ones today and there are some just as good as some songs that air today.
it's just you grew up in the time they played on radio and they were considered popular lol
and now for anyone with pubic hair popular songs are 'shit' lol.
kids today will get all nostalgia in 2027 when they re-listen beiber and it'll be just as good as backstreet boys, or enrique, or ricky martin lol.
fact is beiber songs are catchy. that gay group wanted is also catchy. some hip hop is also catchy. it's not like every song needs great lyrics. lol...
oh lord...lfo... yah you can't say songs back then were better. lol. no... it's exactly the same as it is today.
Sorry Waldo, I strongly disagree with you on this... you're dead wrong. Music has gotten considerably worse over the years, especially mainstream crap as JahLux and Neon pointed out
im sorry. it looks like i walked into a fight with a child.
you can't compare a good song to a shit song to prove your point.
Lol.
if anything compare current depeche mode with that
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i can play you game as well... there are plenty of current artists that are just as good or even better than half the shit on that list.
Lol. Don't make me bring in mr hudson to rival ricky martin and enrique lol. or arctic monkeys. Oh yes. Todays music IS shit if it's manufactured for kids just like half the shit in that nostalgia list of yours. However plenty of todays artist look to the past for good songs to inspire them.
need i compare Eiffel 65 to Mt Eden?
sabin1981 wrote:
Sorry Waldo, I strongly disagree with you on this... you're dead wrong. Music has gotten considerably worse over the years, especially mainstream crap as JahLux and Neon pointed out
it isn't though. it depends where you look. if you look to the top 40 charts. sure. but even then shit songs made it to the tops. Heck Adele is decent and for a song today to become mainstream is just needs to be followed on twitter, facebook and even youtube. and then it'll be played on the radio (4 adele songs were on the radio when her album came out lol a bit of an overkill but that's what you get when you need to follow the trends set by kids). back then.. every song made it on the radio from nine inch nails to eiffel 65 to even parody songs. Radio is different now. they mostly play songs that get kids excited. Soft stations will play mostly recognizable classics because they aren't looking far enough into todays void to find good music.
So if you're only exposed to the music that's available to the marketed masses out there, then yes... i wholeheartedly agree that todays music is absolute shit. But, you also have great indie bands with great songs that get little to no exposure and some of their songs are 10x better than half the shit on that nostalgia list.
Sin317 wrote:
I win, you lose. Or Go fuck yourself.
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Yeah, we're done here It's such a shame that any appreciation and enjoyment of something that isn't made TODAY is suddenly an insult, slighting people with "rose-tinted glasses, lolz! nostalgia! lolz" rubbish. Nostalgia used to be something whimsical, a pleasant look back on what we used to enjoy in times gone by, but nowadays it's used as an insulting line when you want to shut people down. Such a shame.
it's not but when it's followed by the songs back then were 10x better than songs today... then it's not nostalgia and reminiscing of the good old days it's trying to make a point that isn't valid. and that's the problem. fuck when i was a toddler i jumped on the bed and lip synced to abba and ricky martin and backstreet boys and eminem. fuck... why isn't savage garden there? Sometimes I even sang out loud when my parents weren't home.
Fuck it I still do.
But you can't go around saying songs back then were better and then cover it up with it's nostalgia. cause... then... you're.... covering up your point and it's just unfair when someone is going to argue.
Sin317 wrote:
I win, you lose. Or Go fuck yourself.
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It has nothing to do with being a good band and a bad one, I compared the most popular songs through the years.
This is top 1 single in 1999:
This is top 1 single in 2009:
Again
"What am I supposed to do
Sit around and wait for you
And I can't do that
There's no turning back
I need time to move on
I need love to feel strong
'Cause I've had time to think it through
And maybe I'm too good for you"
vs
"I like that boom boom pow
Them chicken jackin' my style
They try to copy my swagger
I'm on that next shit now
I'm so three thousand and eight
You so two thousand and late
I got that boom boom boom
That future boom boom boom
Let me get it now"
It has nothing to do with being a good band and a bad one, I compared the most popular songs through the years.
This is top 1 single in 1999:
This is top 1 single in 2009:
Again
"What am I supposed to do
Sit around and wait for you
And I can't do that
There's no turning back
I need time to move on
I need love to feel strong
'Cause I've had time to think it through
And maybe I'm too good for you"
vs
"I like that boom boom pow
Them chicken jackin' my style
They try to copy my swagger
I'm on that next shit now
I'm so three thousand and eight
You so two thousand and late
I got that boom boom boom
That future boom boom boom
Let me get it now"
yes and today's grown-ups don't call radio stations and vote.
today's grown-ups listen to their ipods or a radio station that plays classics that they recognize. todays top songs are voted by kids and little boys. back then everyone was involved. Now? Not so much.
don't bring in that point. seriously. and even if you bring in sales... it also doesn't count.
wizarD. wrote:
No thanks, all pop music is shit.
hey now. hey now. why not just say all music is shit?
Sin317 wrote:
I win, you lose. Or Go fuck yourself.
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But you can't go around saying songs back then were better and then cover it up with it's nostalgia. cause... then... you're.... covering up your point and it's just unfair when someone is going to argue.
Um, what? No sir, you misunderstand my point -- YOU are the one blaming nostalgia. Not us. We talk about better songs in the past and you immediately shoot us down by saying "nostalgia list!!1 lolz" -- that's not fair to US. We didn't do that, you did.
I agree with Waldo. It's as good/bad as it was back then.
And you can't compare Depeche Mode with Rihanna for gods sake. You might compare Rihanna with this for example They're both simple catchy tunes, while Depeche music is a little bit more involved - which I could compare with Adele today.
I'm not blaming nostalgia. I'm blaming the point made while mentioning nostalgia.
if you want to go all nostalgia. cool. post the link. i know all the songs posted there. loved about 80% of them. Then have the thread going into posting other songs you fondly remember from the way back. But when you start comparing it to todays music... it shouldn't be allowed. it makes you thick. it makes you a snob. an elitist. and then it'll end up with a point any music made in the last 12 years is absolute shit because how can it compare to backstreet boys or boys 2 men.
Music hasn't changed. Target audience has changed. FFS. TAKE THAT CAME BACK! Like... like...
i do get your point. it just upsets me when people think they can just insult today's music without fully exploring it. It's just arrogant and ignorant. and I hate that.
Meh, it's all subjective any how - everything is - I just dislike the ridiculous notion that "nostalgia lolz" is to be blamed whenever someone claims to prefer something old to something new.
WaldoJ wrote:
i do get your point. it just upsets me when people think they can just insult today's music without fully exploring it. It's just arrogant and ignorant. and I hate that.
Sorry, I reject that. I can insult whatever the damn well I feel like.. if I dislike it. I don't have to "fully explore" music today to realise that most of it is shit. You can go all hipster if you want, underground hidden indie music that nobody knows, and that's fine... but we're not talking about that. We're talking about music we KNOW. Music that's shoved in our faces daily. That music fucking SUCKS and I really don't care if you think that's arrogant and/or ignorant of me to say, it is - after all - a personal opinion.
I'm not saying every piece of music ever released after 1999 is terrible .. just most of it If that's nostalgia talking, or it makes us "snobs" and "elitists" (there's another throwaway insult word these days... "nostalgia", "elitist", what's next? Entitled? ) then I guess so be it. I'll take 80s/90s tracks over the majority of what's released in the 00s/10s. I do say the "majority" though, not "every single track ever" - because there is plenty of garage rock that I love today, even stuff other people dislike. I've also got a soft spot for other "indie" bands like Hadouken and Invaders of Nine, despite not usually liking their genres.
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Sin317-"im 31 years old and still surprised at how much shit comes out of my ass actually ..."
SteamDRM-"Call of Duty is the symbol of the true perfection in every aspect. Call of Duty games are like Mozart's/Beethoven's symphonies"
deadpoetic-"are you new to the cyberspace?"
Regardless of whether you liked them or not, at least the BSB could sing in tune when doing it live. Bieber can't. There's the big difference: there's far more Milli Vanillis out there now.
When looking at old music vids I find myself appreciating some songs that I really didn't care too much at the time and considered them generic pop. But they were catchy and I associated them with that part of my life, so now I respect them for it.
Nostalgia has an effect to me, at least and I agree with Waldo.
Maybe in the future YT will be filled with 15yo whores and wannabe pimps that we'll look back to Friday and appreciate the innocence
and even if you bring in sales... it also doesn't count.
I'm done here.
so according to you as song has to be in the top40 and make sales to be a good popular song? that's why you brought forth rhianna because she was number 1 and depeche mode was also number one back then? Cause http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_(Da_Ba_Dee) was also number one...
please don't bring in numbers to justify what makes a good song then and now and compare it based on that. cause then you're just being an idiot.
sabsab wrote:
Meh, it's all subjective any how - everything is - I just dislike the ridiculous notion that "nostalgia lolz" is to be blamed whenever someone claims to prefer something old to something new.
when someone uses nostalgia to make a point how todays music is shit. then it is nostalgia lolz. because it's a stupid way to have a discussion based on that. Someone grew up in the 80s. that music was better than the 90s. 70s as well. and to some even music from the 50s was 10x better than the music made in the 90s (some of it still is). it is all subjective. that's fine. but when you're being ignorant about and state it as a fact and try to prove it using stupid shit. then it's just sad. real sad.
bring forth all the nostalgia. but don't say stupid shit like back then it was better because nostalgia told me so. it was better yesterday because you loved it. and you still love it. but you don't love today because you don't want to be unfaithful. fucking monogamous bull shit! Come on!
and even if you bring in sales... it also doesn't count.
I'm done here.
so according to you as song has to be in the top40 and make sales to be a good popular song? that's why you brought forth rhianna because she was number 1 and depeche mode was also number one back then? Cause http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_(Da_Ba_Dee) was also number one...
please don't bring in numbers to justify what makes a good song then and now and compare it based on that. cause then you're just being an idiot.
I'm not comparing the quality of the song, but the fact that in 1999 the top 1 song was either Cher singing about moving on after a relationship or Depeche Mode singing basically about carpe diem- "all I ever needed is here in my arms, words are unnecessary" etc, WHILE a decade later the top 1 song is a girl singing about a guy's cock.
bring forth all the nostalgia. but don't say stupid shit like back then it was better because nostalgia told me so. it was better yesterday because you loved it. and you still love it. but you don't love today because you don't want to be unfaithful. fucking monogamous bull shit! Come on!
Nobody said it was better BECAUSE of nostalgia except YOU We said it's better because it's better .. at least to our ears and tastes. As for being unfaithful? That's just plain crazy talk! Like I said, I love 80s/90s music, sure, but there's still plenty of music that I like from this era too ... only, to me, the ratio is skewed more towards yester-era. There was more music I liked then that there is today, that's all I'm saying.
I'm not bashing you sabsab. I'm bashing the idea of what's neon saying. Back then the top of the charts were voted by listeners and industries and listeners consisted of adults and kids. It's not like that today. Back then when someone phoned in to make a request the age range was there. Today I haven't heard a single person over the age of 23 phone in and make a request. And kids today listen to music their friends listen to. Heck who under the age of 18 today uses lastfm to discover music. Or grooveshark. Or spotify.
Neon. Charts don't work anymore. Heck you can also mention payola which doesn't exist anymore lol. But I must say... Music from uk is considerably better than music from north America.
What happened back then music was diverse and you had music from all over the world. Now it takes a uk artist few months of success before it makes it over to NA. That's what's worse now about music industry now than before.
What happened back then music was diverse and you had music from all over the world. Now it takes a uk artist few months of success before it makes it over to NA. That's what's worse now about music industry now than before.
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It's such a shame that any appreciation and enjoyment of something that isn't made TODAY is suddenly an insult, slighting people with "rose-tinted glasses, lolz! nostalgia! lolz" rubbish. Nostalgia used to be something whimsical, a pleasant look back on what we used to enjoy in times gone by, but nowadays it's used as an insulting line when you want to shut people down. Such a shame.
