C&C: Generals 2 (cancelled)
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skytzu




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PostPosted: Tue, 21st Aug 2012 02:14    Post subject:
This wont stop while people keep supporting this kind of sh1t f2p model..

There is good f2p models that sell skins and commodities.. if people want to lvl faster or have better skins let them have!

If i enjoy the game enough to play alot of hours i end up supporting them..

And i really enjoy that kind of f2p, because, latly i have been buying some games and after an hour or two i end up not playing it again..
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PostPosted: Tue, 21st Aug 2012 12:16    Post subject:
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inb4 everyone in this thread tries it on release anyways. Rolling Eyes


Hurr Durr. No thanks, I don't play MP titles any more, every single C&C game to date had expansive SP components with multiple campaigns for multiple factions - remove that and I have no need for the game. Nice try though Smile Hell, the only time I've ever played C&C multiplayer was over a LAN with my flatmate and a bunch of friends -- I don't play online. He made one map for RA2/YR called "City Centre Strike" which was made solely for each player to build up megabases and huge armies, before finally meeting in the centre for a massive all-out battle (or sneak attacks with Chronosphere + Prism Tanks grinhurt)

But nope, I'm not interested in an MP-only C&C, much less one from the hollow fucking shell of a company like BioWhore.


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PostPosted: Tue, 21st Aug 2012 12:19    Post subject:
sabin1981 wrote:
sTo0z wrote:
inb4 everyone in this thread tries it on release anyways. Rolling Eyes


Hurr Durr. No thanks, I don't play MP titles any more, every single C&C game to date had expansive SP components with multiple campaigns for multiple factions. Remove that and I have no need for the game. Nice try though Smile Hell, the only time I've ever played C&C multiplayer was over a LAN with my flatmate and a bunch of friends -- I don't play online. He made one map for RA2/YR called "City Centre Strike" which was made solely for each player to build up megabases and huge armies, before finally meeting in the centre for a massive all-out battle (or sneak attacks with Chronosphere + Prism Tanks grinhurt)

But nope, I'm not interested in an MP-only C&C, much less one from the hollow fucking shell of a company like BioWhore.
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PostPosted: Tue, 21st Aug 2012 12:33    Post subject:
sabin1981 wrote:
sTo0z wrote:
inb4 everyone in this thread tries it on release anyways. Rolling Eyes


Hurr Durr. No thanks, I don't play MP titles any more, every single C&C game to date had expansive SP components with multiple campaigns for multiple factions - remove that and I have no need for the game. Nice try though Smile Hell, the only time I've ever played C&C multiplayer was over a LAN with my flatmate and a bunch of friends -- I don't play online. He made one map for RA2/YR called "City Centre Strike" which was made solely for each player to build up megabases and huge armies, before finally meeting in the centre for a massive all-out battle (or sneak attacks with Chronosphere + Prism Tanks grinhurt)

But nope, I'm not interested in an MP-only C&C, much less one from the hollow fucking shell of a company like BioWhore.


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I've had my share of MP back in the days, but i quickly discovered that MP it's not my cup of tea. I love my games to be a more personal experience and less a social one. If i want to socialize, i go out with my mates, we don't stand in front of a PC and play online or post on Facebook about when i shit and what i ate in the morning.
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PostPosted: Tue, 21st Aug 2012 12:54    Post subject:
I really wish I could find a copy of that map, it was great fun on a skirmish with bots Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue, 21st Aug 2012 14:03    Post subject:
i can live with a mp only CnC generals.

But i have no faith at all in biowEAre being capable of delivering a good product.
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PostPosted: Tue, 21st Aug 2012 15:01    Post subject:
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PostPosted: Tue, 21st Aug 2012 15:04    Post subject:
Fever wrote:
http://www.gametrailers.com/side-mission/26653/command-conquer-generals-2-will-launch-sans-a-single-player-campaign


Psssst.. previous page Smile
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PostPosted: Tue, 21st Aug 2012 15:11    Post subject:
You guys miss completely what I said.

I didn't say you guys will play it extensively and love it, I said you guys are going to try it. And I know you guys will, I don't give a fuck what you all say now, when it comes out, you're going to download it and play a game, or the tutorial, because you're going to be curious.

This same shit happens with almost EVERY SINGLE GAME announcement, EVER. Everyone shits on it all day long, curse the company forever, swear to never interact with them ever again, and then they try it anyways.

Did they even ANNOUNCE their model anyways? This is bullshit, I hate most F2P stuff too, but there have been some completely fine games out there that use it. League of Legends being one of them. If people took a shit all over LoL just from hearing "F2P" they'd be missing out. Now you don't have to like LoL but their F2P model is damn near perfect.

You guys always jump the fucking gun, just relax and wait and see. The engine/tech looks impressive for RTS, you might actually like it, even if you just mess around with friends.


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PostPosted: Tue, 21st Aug 2012 15:13    Post subject:
Caneghem went bonkers long ago, much like Garriott.
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PostPosted: Tue, 21st Aug 2012 15:16    Post subject:
Thanks for telling me what I'll do, sTo0z. You're my own personal Jiminy Cricket. It doesn't matter that I said I don't play MP titles, because apparently you know me better than I myself! WOW! Shocked Incidentally? I haven't played Tiberium Alliance either, nor League of Legends. Just because a game is free and "pretty" doesn't mean everyone will run out and play it.


... well, shit, they probably would.. and that's an example of why the industry is so shit lately. Herpity freeeeeee weee!
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PostPosted: Tue, 21st Aug 2012 15:23    Post subject:
sabin1981 wrote:
Thanks for telling me what I'll do, sTo0z. You're my own personal Jiminy Cricket. It doesn't matter that I said I don't play MP titles, because apparently you know me better than I myself! WOW! Shocked


But you already admitted you've played C&C via LAN with friends, which is EXACTLY what I just said you're going to do (obviously over Internet).

People are so dramatic... You can't lie that the game doesn't LOOK fun, if they didn't announce F2P you guys would be singing a different tune.

I'll see you back in this thread when it releases and you're downloading it to try. Smile




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PostPosted: Tue, 21st Aug 2012 15:26    Post subject:
I played YR on a LAN a DECADE ago and repeatedly said I don't play MP games any more. Thanks for not reading my post Smile I'd have played it if there was an SP campaign (like in every other C&C title to date, with the exception of Alliance) but now there isn't I have lost all interest in the game.

You won't see me back in this thread playing the game and I'm not lying when I say the game doesn't look fun as I'm not interested in MP-only titles - it sounded good when we all thought it was a normal C&C title (Frostbite engine destruction!? YUM!) but now it has been confirmed to be MP-only with no campaign or story, it no longer interests me and doesn't look fun any more .. so stop talking for me like you're my puppeteer Very Happy

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PostPosted: Tue, 21st Aug 2012 15:38    Post subject:
sTo0z wrote:
You guys miss completely what I said.

I didn't say you guys will play it extensively and love it, I said you guys are going to try it. And I know you guys will, I don't give a fuck what you all say now, when it comes out, you're going to download it and play a game, or the tutorial, because you're going to be curious.

This same shit happens with almost EVERY SINGLE GAME announcement, EVER. Everyone shits on it all day long, curse the company forever, swear to never interact with them ever again, and then they try it anyways.

Did they even ANNOUNCE their model anyways? This is bullshit, I hate most F2P stuff too, but there have been some completely fine games out there that use it. League of Legends being one of them. If people took a shit all over LoL just from hearing "F2P" they'd be missing out. Now you don't have to like LoL but their F2P model is damn near perfect.

You guys always jump the fucking gun, just relax and wait and see. The engine/tech looks impressive for RTS, you might actually like it, even if you just mess around with friends.


Totally agree x1.
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PostPosted: Tue, 21st Aug 2012 15:50    Post subject:
It's very disheartening to see a moderator telling other people what they are going to do, based on absolutely nothing. A lack of respect is what it is.

So let's turn this around and come with some bold claims, after sToOz said he is not going to do this and that. I just don't think that would be acceptable.

I have no interest in c&c games except the campaign, I never had. Why would it suddenly be different now? Why is it acceptable for a moderator to say such a thing?
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PostPosted: Tue, 21st Aug 2012 15:54    Post subject:
i usually just skip sto0z' random rants of the day posts and go on with my life Smile
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PostPosted: Tue, 21st Aug 2012 15:56    Post subject:
Sin317 wrote:
i usually just skip sto0z' random rants of the day posts and go on with my life Smile


I'm the opposite, I usually agree with sTo0z a lot of the time -- just not this one Wink
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PostPosted: Tue, 21st Aug 2012 16:04    Post subject:
I'm agaisn't the Free2play model as much you guys, but the single player experience isn't out of question just yet, it will just ship without it. It might come later and knowing EA they might sell it as a DLC or something.

Quote:
Bioware Victory general manager John Van Caneghem told me last week that Generals 2 will ship without a single player mode. Instead, “co-operative and competitive” skirmishes will serve as the core, with more modes to be added later based on community feedback. A story mode could be added later, but “it is something we haven’t announced yet how we’re going to do it.”


http://www.pcgamer.com/2012/08/20/cc-generals-2-to-have-e-sports-features-no-single-player-campaign-on-launch/

I guess if we rant enough upon launch then they are bound to take it in and we'll see from there.


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PostPosted: Tue, 21st Aug 2012 16:05    Post subject:
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but the single player experience isn't out of question just yet, it will just ship without it. It might come later and knowing EA they might sell it as a DLC or something.


I'm sorry, maybe I'm missing the point, but this is a good thing HOW exactly?

"It's okay guys! There's no SP but they might give you one as DLC later!" Poker Face
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PostPosted: Tue, 21st Aug 2012 16:07    Post subject:
sabin1981 wrote:
Mutantius wrote:
it will just ship without it. It might come later and knowing EA they might sell it as a DLC or something.


I'm sorry, maybe I'm missing the point, but this is a good thing HOW exactly?

"It's okay guys! There's no SP but they might give you one as DLC later!" Poker Face


Its single player, you were expected to buy the retail version anyway so why not save a few buck and pay 15 dollars for a single player portion?


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PostPosted: Tue, 21st Aug 2012 16:09    Post subject:
Because this sets a bad precedent where developers rip out functions of the game and later sell them back to you as DLC. It's EA so you know they're not doing anything out of the good of their heart, there's an exploitative angle here and the fact that you're defending this idea is bizarre, but egh.. whatever. Enjoy your half game.
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PostPosted: Tue, 21st Aug 2012 16:16    Post subject:
Imoen wrote:
It's very disheartening to see a moderator telling other people what they are going to do, based on absolutely nothing. A lack of respect is what it is.

So let's turn this around and come with some bold claims, after sToOz said he is not going to do this and that. I just don't think that would be acceptable.

I have no interest in c&c games except the campaign, I never had. Why would it suddenly be different now? Why is it acceptable for a moderator to say such a thing?


Based on NOTHING? Rolling Eyes

Do you know how long I've been on this fucking site? Do you know how many times I've seen this same behavior over and over and over and over? I've seen people make these claims a million times.

Because I'm a moderator I don't get an opinion? What kind of half-assed remark is that?

Sin317 wrote:
i usually just skip sto0z' random rants of the day posts and go on with my life Smile


Yes, COMPLETELY RANDOM. NO POSSIBLE amount of sense made WHATSOEVER. I'm responding to a couple of GEMS right here.


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PostPosted: Tue, 21st Aug 2012 16:17    Post subject:
sabin1981 wrote:
Because this sets a bad precedent where developers rip out functions of the game and later sell them back to you as DLC. The fact that you're defending this is deplorable, but egh.. whatever. Enjoy your half game.


Sabin relax, I love the series and I was as pissed as you were when I found out about the F2P model. I primarily see this as a incentive to make a quick release and take it from there with a minimal potential loss as EA experienced with both Tiberium Wars & Red Alert 3. It's unfortunately always a financial motive which drives publishers like EA and thats not really surprising since its EA for crying out loud and they have been sitting on the franchise since Generals.

Still I would gladly buy a cheesy 12 hour campaign filled with FMV sequences and epic action because thats what I truly define as a trademark of the series. Whatever I would have bought that with a retail release or in a DLC for a F2P doesn't make a difference to me as long as the C&C atmosphere are there.


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PostPosted: Tue, 21st Aug 2012 16:22    Post subject:
I'm quite relaxed, thanks Smile
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PostPosted: Tue, 21st Aug 2012 16:28    Post subject:
sabin1981 wrote:
I'm quite relaxed, thanks Smile


Well if I can't have a discussion in here, then I'll return to sleeping dogs Smile


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PostPosted: Tue, 21st Aug 2012 18:27    Post subject:
I thought one of the strongest points of this series was the SP part Confused
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PostPosted: Tue, 21st Aug 2012 18:41    Post subject:
@Mutantius

I'm not stopping you from having a conversation, dude, I'm just not agreeing with the stance.. that's all Smile

@Mister_s

It was one of those rare series that worked just as well in SP as it did in MP. SP wasn't just "MP with bots" but a fully-fleshed out story with multiple sides and continuations. To remove that is to literally remove half the essence of C&C, if you ask me.
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PostPosted: Wed, 22nd Aug 2012 01:09    Post subject:
Signed, i always bought the C&C Series for the SP part to get a nice story, the MP part wasnt my stuff (maybe a round against bots, was a nice addition).

So, Generals 2 i wanted to buy for SP, but since it doesnt provide any, i dont care anymore for the game, no matter how nice it looks and plays.


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PostPosted: Wed, 22nd Aug 2012 04:57    Post subject:
There goes one of my fav C&C games, thanks shitware.


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