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DXWarlock
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Well name one thing that 8 can do that 7 cant that's worth relearning a whole new UI for.
and edit: 7 can use multiple monitors in a 'non retarded' way.
Put 8 across three monitors with HUGE colored blocks..it feels like "Windows for Kids"
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Invasor
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| Posted: Thu, 16th Aug 2012 01:45 Post subject: |
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With new drivers and all, will 8 actually be faster for gaming?
When I tested it, boot was faster, but that's all I noticed.
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bxrdj
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| Posted: Thu, 16th Aug 2012 01:45 Post subject: |
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Sorry guys i dont know what you are whinning about again ... dont like metro ...hit start and its gone (yeeeei)
I have 4 monitors Warlock and they look just fine ... actually somewhat brighter than 7 ...
sorry not trying to be a win8 fanboy here or anything but im still confused with what is sooo much different ... you do realize that when you release a new product things are more than likely to change a bit ... im using win8 both at worjk and at home and metro is pretty much used the same way i sued start before just bigger ... I can live with that ...
fuck ...
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| Posted: Thu, 16th Aug 2012 01:53 Post subject: |
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| bxrdj wrote: | Sorry guys i dont know what you are whinning about again ... dont like metro ...hit start and its gone (yeeeei)
I have 4 monitors Warlock and they look just fine ... actually somewhat brighter than 7 ...
sorry not trying to be a win8 fanboy here or anything but im still confused with what is sooo much different ... you do realize that when you release a new product things are more than likely to change a bit ... im using win8 both at worjk and at home and metro is pretty much used the same way i sued start before just bigger ... I can live with that ... |
you succesfully ignored the question
Why would anyone change from 7 to 8?
we talk about normal users here (side note back then a higher direct x version wasnt enough to pull majority of gamers away from win xp)
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DXWarlock
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| Posted: Thu, 16th Aug 2012 01:54 Post subject: |
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| bxrdj wrote: | Sorry guys i dont know what you are whinning about again ... dont like metro ...hit start and its gone (yeeeei)
I have 4 monitors Warlock and they look just fine ... actually somewhat brighter than 7 ...
sorry not trying to be a win8 fanboy here or anything but im still confused with what is sooo much different ... you do realize that when you release a new product things are more than likely to change a bit ... im using win8 both at worjk and at home and metro is pretty much used the same way i sued start before just bigger ... I can live with that ... |
Did you see my long post above about trying to use it for actual work? it was horrible.
and 'the monitors are fine, even brighter' brighter doesn't help me fix the problem of metro taking up all 3.
You try running 2 VM's, a GTA remote session with RDP inside of it, skype for calls, and FTP program to work with, and needing to fullscreen a few of them on differnt montors while starting and stopping random programs in win 8. you have to flip screens to do things more than you actually 'do productive things'.
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
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bxrdj
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| Posted: Thu, 16th Aug 2012 02:12 Post subject: |
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Warlock, when I hit the start/metro, it only comes up on one of my 4 monitors ... so I am not sure but maybe there is a setting for that ... why I like it better - for example -I play with a lot of samples / soundbanks and generally transfer a lot of files - I find win8 file manager to be much more reliable and snappier - the overall interface moves faster and when used at work, i feel like the database software we use here loads way faster and I just feel like I am more productive ... I hope that answers some of the questions ... I am just saying that people that just called it a failed product because of metro should really spend a few minutes playing with the actual os and not in the virtual environment but as a primary os ... the rtm is a solid start and I think that it will only get better ...
fuck ...
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| Posted: Thu, 16th Aug 2012 02:15 Post subject: |
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How is metro running on all three screens ? Runs on only one here.
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[sYn]
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| Posted: Thu, 16th Aug 2012 02:18 Post subject: |
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| bxrdj wrote: | | Warlock, when I hit the start/metro, it only comes up on one of my 4 monitors ... so I am not sure but maybe there is a setting for that ... why I like it better - for example -I play with a lot of samples / soundbanks and generally transfer a lot of files - I find win8 file manager to be much more reliable and snappier - the overall interface moves faster and when used at work, i feel like the database software we use here loads way faster and I just feel like I am more productive ... I hope that answers some of the questions ... I am just saying that people that just called it a failed product because of metro should really spend a few minutes playing with the actual os and not in the virtual environment but as a primary os ... the rtm is a solid start and I think that it will only get better ... |
How is the Multi monitor support in RTM vs RP? Can you have apps open and docked to the side on more than one monitor? What GFX card do you have, I'm curiously about performance watching videos on one screen while gaming on another.
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| Posted: Thu, 16th Aug 2012 02:20 Post subject: |
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I for one don't think it's that bad. I did use it for a few days. The new file transfer thing is nice (the kind of thing that should be around for a decade and they only made now...), it boots faster, but that's about it...
Why would I want to change? I really don't see a good reason.
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DXWarlock
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| Posted: Thu, 16th Aug 2012 02:21 Post subject: |
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the OS can be 20x faster, but if the controls for it are totally counter intuitive to what they always was, then its defeats the purpose.
It like having a car and they say "Well it goes 10x faster, but the steering wheel is replaced with a fork, your gas pedal is now hand controlled, and your brake, you need to push your head back into the headrest to stop"
I'm not saying I don't like it JUST for metro, the fact it fees like my OS is a 'desktop OS' version of Windows Media Center.
That the fact my 'desktop' feels like its just an app I have to manually launch to see feels weird, that to get to anything I want I now am forced to use windows key, or point at a 4 pixel area in the bottom corner to find the point to click to get back.
And I'm not saying other are dumb for liking it. Just that for me, every 'second nature' control and movement I have used for 10 years in windows that was in every version of windows, is now useless to me. to ME that makes it not worth the upgrade.
And the boots no faster for me at all..maybe its because I got an SSD but the boot time is not any noticeably faster.
win 7 Doesn't even make it to the 'win logo lights" merging before I boot. and Win 8 is about the same speed.
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DXWarlock
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| Posted: Thu, 16th Aug 2012 02:31 Post subject: |
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For example I wanted to uninstall some of the crap that came with it...well no start button, so no start-control panel- add remove...looked around didnt see a way,
went to metro and looked didnt see one, had to find the odd window, that pointed me to "rightclick the box of it" to uninstall.
And opened the weather thing to see it..no way to close it it takes up the whole screen, had to metro out of it...thought it closed...nope, its still running when I alt-tab or win-tab. no IDEA how to close it now its always there in the list of "crap I have running" with no obvious way to stop it.
And im not saying its not possible, or even a simple thing to do once you find out how.
But when an OS that Ive been using since 3.11 in a new version makes me feel like a grandma the first time she sits down at a PC, and lost how to do anything looking in confusion...I don't want to use it 
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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DXWarlock
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| Posted: Thu, 16th Aug 2012 02:43 Post subject: |
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I don't want the big menu button and having to goto a whole new screen that covers the other one to goto a place that's one click away in the old windows
Imagine me working, and having to watch what a customers doing in remote view, and then need to goto computer management to find a setting for him.
In old windows, easy I can see what hes doing, and open control panel from start menu...now I got to goto metro, loose his window entirely for a bit while going to that "Here you look to retard, so to find something lets put it all i big colorful boxes for you" menu to open it.
Again I'm not saying its bad for everyone, just saying its totally opposite of what i need while working.
the whole fact I need to 'click start then right click / all apps and right click the conrol panel and in the left bottom corner click "pin to start' to start with to get to something that was "startbutton, second on list" is annoying 
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-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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| Posted: Thu, 16th Aug 2012 02:57 Post subject: |
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protip: right click the "start" button
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| Posted: Thu, 16th Aug 2012 10:49 Post subject: |
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Damn, turns out Dreamspark Premium users will only get it on the 25th. Will have to wait.
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| Posted: Thu, 16th Aug 2012 11:24 Post subject: |
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any new method to activate the pro version?
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| Posted: Thu, 16th Aug 2012 19:17 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Thu, 16th Aug 2012 19:24 Post subject: |
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Why would people force themselves to work around shit? What are the incentives? Just to have the latest version? 2 seconds faster boot time?
How do you spot the fanboys? Let them come up with 1000 excuses and "workarounds" for issues, and dismiss them as non-issues.
Every issue is important. The question that stands before every problem is, is there an incentive to overlook these problems for the greater good. There is no greater good here, only problems atop of problems atop of shit.
Good review:
http://www.infoworld.com/d/microsoft-windows/windows-8-review-yes-its-bad-200113?page=0,0
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| Posted: Thu, 16th Aug 2012 19:35 Post subject: |
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How to also spot a win8 fanboy. He calls people who complains about win8 as "whiners" and downtalks win7.
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[sYn]
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| Posted: Thu, 16th Aug 2012 20:33 Post subject: |
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| LeoNatan wrote: | Why would people force themselves to work around shit? What are the incentives? Just to have the latest version? 2 seconds faster boot time?
How do you spot the fanboys? Let them come up with 1000 excuses and "workarounds" for issues, and dismiss them as non-issues.
Every issue is important. The question that stands before every problem is, is there an incentive to overlook these problems for the greater good. There is no greater good here, only problems atop of problems atop of shit.
Good review:
http://www.infoworld.com/d/microsoft-windows/windows-8-review-yes-its-bad-200113?page=0,0 |
I think its pretty simple. People use computers in different ways.
I don't have any issues with Windows 8 because I don't use the start menu in either, there are a number of very minor problems:
- Shutdown not being easy to access. Not to big a deal as I don't tend to turn off my computer, but on the odd occasion when I want to restart it was a pain to find and gain access too.
- The fact that I couldn't (have yet to try RTM, installing it in a second) pin two metro apps to the side of two monitors. I can only have one metro app active at anyone one time.
- Driver issues that caused video lag while also playing 3d applications.
Apart from that I get a bunch of benefits that I mentioned earlier.
I guess it just comes down to usage of the OS and what is more important to you as the user.
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| Posted: Thu, 16th Aug 2012 20:35 Post subject: |
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| bxrdj wrote: |
Just pin the control panel link from metro to your taskbar ... it will then be accessible identically to windows 7 ... I still don't see any problem here that can't be easily bypassed guys |
Really, just not my thing..in a post a while back talking about it, I don't like the "pin to taskbar" 7 had but it wasnt 'forced' I could still use other ways. if its not a running task, I don't want it in my 'taskbar'. If I close everything down, my taskbar should be empty.
Bypassing a problems doesn't fix the problem
And like I said, granted I may be overly picky. But its NOT because I 'dont like change" from 3.11 to first time using 95 I was like "This is makes more sense, this is nice" then new features in XP same thing thinking "they got it right where they went wrong last time".
Now its "what the hell did they do"
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-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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| Posted: Thu, 16th Aug 2012 21:22 Post subject: |
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Sorry for coming with this comment out of nowhere but i'm still stuck on what the fuck the developers where thinking when it comes to Windows 8
I don't care wtf Microsoft says, Windows 8 it s tablet-os made for touch-screens. I'm not against that if they want to make headway into that market. I'm not stupid i understand that there is alot of money to make if they manage to get into that market in a serious way. But with that said why would that be a good os for a desktop pc.
I don't get it and there is where i am stuck.
Do they think everyone will just upgrade to Windows 8 just because it s Microsoft or something?...
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[sYn]
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| Posted: Thu, 16th Aug 2012 21:32 Post subject: |
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They're trying to innovate. The start menu isn't the perfect solution and they are trying to push the way people use and think about operating systems forward. Don't get me wrong, metro certainly isn't the perfect solution either!
I'm going to make a poll about this tbh, I'm curious about peoples general opinions on UI and its future.
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| Posted: Thu, 16th Aug 2012 21:40 Post subject: |
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| gospel wrote: | | any new method to activate the pro version? |
nope, only working method for now is activating windows against KMS servers. But that also doesn't work since those servers are down for the moment.
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| Posted: Thu, 16th Aug 2012 21:43 Post subject: |
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Innovate? Forward? If this is the computing you want to see forward, I do not wish to live on this planet anymore. Innovation and forward means 1 application running concurrently? Ehh sorry, 2.  30 years of operating systems so we can use two applications at one time amazing. I understand this limitation on a phone or tablet. Fuck if I am going to have this on my desktop. Even if in 5 years I have a 30" touch screen, I would never agree to have one app open at any time. This is retarded.
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