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How is enforcing one flavour of Android OS better than the current situation? Some producers (like HTC and Samsung) try to add their own features and whatnot. More choice for the consumer. I'd rather have that than one OS dictated by one company.
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| Posted: Fri, 6th Jul 2012 16:57 Post subject: |
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The fuck has one "flavor" has to do with anything? Now read my post.
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| Posted: Fri, 6th Jul 2012 17:20 Post subject: |
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You're saying Google can't do instant OTA updates since they give producers and carriers freedom. From that I understood that you want Google to enforce one OS version on all producers. Besides that, I don't think Apple can just release an update whenever they want without going through the carriers first. The verification process is probably just faster because there's one version of teh OS.
I prefer slower updates if that gives me more options regarding the OS.
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| Posted: Fri, 6th Jul 2012 17:23 Post subject: |
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Please point me to where I said any of that. I said Google can put a precondition on license granting request to release Android updates on previous Android devices within a reasonable timeframe. But if they do that, how would HTC churn different 234057340983420562906 devices every year? They would actually have to support older devices now.  This is what I said.
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| Posted: Fri, 6th Jul 2012 18:37 Post subject: |
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I thought that's what Google wants? Why else would they announce a new phone/tab everytime they bring out a major update?
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| Posted: Fri, 6th Jul 2012 18:54 Post subject: |
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Of course they want it - they want to pat themselves on the shoulder on the 1233471230984671230423489 million device activations they per week. Who can expect support for that, right?
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| Posted: Fri, 6th Jul 2012 19:01 Post subject: |
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No Mister_s, they're not giving them freedom. Android has that freedom naturally. They're allowing them to dictate who gets which version of Android. By pushing out OTA updates outside the carriers and manufacturers, they'd force these companies to hire people who have clue - because for the most part, they don't.
| LeoNatan wrote: | | Split between phone and pad versions is not fragmentation on iOS or Android. The two require completely different paradigms and copying the phone sku to the pad with different graphic assets is just wrong. They can share code, but the pad product should be a pad product. (This is another problem of Android apps - why are there so few pad apps?) Regarding double resolution assets, on iOS it is extremely easy to use the double assets - if the low-res file is "image.png", the high-res is "image@2x.png" and it's loaded normally. These images will now be loaded automatically. It is possible to share code with iPad also - add ~ipad suffix and iOS will load them on the pad. Hardly any problem. Not sure how this works on Android because they are not exactly 1x and 2x. But if you design your UI intelligently, it should function properly on slightly different resolutions and aspect ratios (again, not between different configurations). It is like this for Android as well. And anyone who claims iPad is a large-screen iPod from UI standpoint has not touched a tablet in his life. |
I never said phone/tablet versions of an app should share the exact same layouts and assets - layouts definitely shouldn't be, but assets can be shared; you don't need different icons for a tablet, you do need higher resolution versions of them. Android's method is similar, it'll automatically load the appropriate file from ldpi/mdpi/hdpi folders (correct me if I'm wrong please if there's any Android dev reading this, it's been a while for me  ) depending on the device. You don't see a lot of separate tablet apps because most apps incorporate the tablet layouts in the same app, you can seamlessly load the correct layout.
| Quote: | | Apple did a deal with AT&T initially and became so powerful they didn't even care anymore and opened up for Verizon as well as unlocked devices and AT&T got fuck all to say about it. Google is now at a similar position, but they are too chickenshit to do anything about it. Even Google's own devices, if bought through a carrier, do not receive updates from Google until the carrier OKs it, if at all. It's pathetic. . |
Whoa whoa, let me just correct you here. Google is not in the same position as Apple. Apple control the software, the hardware and the distribution. Google only controls one of those 3; a Nexus device is still a HTC/Samsung/ASUS device and Google does not actually manufacture nor ship them as that's not their field of expertise. They're Google branded.
Still, Google can and should enforce OS updates. All the carrier/manufacturer related things are either drivers or third party apps. Drivers should be in some kind of general pipeline (so that all devices on a specific chip get the same optimisations), for the other custom stuff the pre-release period should be more than enough to update them. If all the decent developers can update their shit to work on newer versions so quickly, so can these companies with far more resources.
It's about damn time Google set up some assembly lines of their own, when that happens they'll be able to compete with Apple's directly.
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| Posted: Fri, 6th Jul 2012 19:09 Post subject: |
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I don't understand why Google would (want to) do that and why they should feel responsible in any way. I always understood Android was some kind of basis upon which the individual producers can build/expand.
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| Posted: Fri, 6th Jul 2012 19:14 Post subject: |
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I meant that Google is in the same position of power now as Apple and can allow themselves to exert more power over their software. You are also incorrect about distribution - you can buy devices directly from the Google Play store. When you buy from their store, you get all the updates. If you buy through carrier, the carrier decides what update you get. So if Super SGSIII Hyper HD Turbo Tournament Edition is just released, they can block the Galaxy Nexus update release for 6 months and tell you "If you want the latest Android then buy this amazing new and totally NOT useless upgrade to another totally not great and completely useless device".
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| Posted: Fri, 6th Jul 2012 19:20 Post subject: |
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| Mister_s wrote: | | I don't understand why Google would (want to) do that and why they should feel responsible in any way. I always understood Android was some kind of basis upon which the individual producers can build/expand. |
They would want to do it so they reduce OS fragmentation so developers are able to target the latest versions of Android moths after release instead of decades. Why do you think that iOS is the primary target of most apps? |
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| Posted: Fri, 6th Jul 2012 19:23 Post subject: |
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| Werelds wrote: | Edit @ Leo: buying from the Play store still doesn't mean they distribute it 
Several of our clients have got shops running and exactly 0 of them distribute *anything* themselves. Order comes in with them, they place order with a third party who's responsible for it all. |
Well for me, if I order from Google, they are the distributor. But even if Google aren't the distributors, the problems above are still comical for devices they brand as their own. |
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N9 > everything else
That is all.
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Oh noes, an app that looks like the playstore but you need to redownload it.
People are just plain stupid if they actually download it...
But as usual people gonna blame it on Android itself and not the stupidity of the people downloading it.
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