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PostPosted: Thu, 5th Jul 2012 01:14    Post subject:
tonizito wrote:
chillseeker wrote:
Yes, but people will adjust and the gun will become OP. I really don't feel this recoil at long range you talking about. With HB and grip it feels like M16 in my hands.
The F2000 is already OP, just not as much on long range as the M16 (IMO IMO IMO IMO IMO... grinhurt).

But you should try both with a scope and see the difference.
Although... most people only use it with the RDS/Holo so my argument is mostly shot down and meh Embarassed


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PostPosted: Thu, 5th Jul 2012 01:16    Post subject:
chillseeker wrote:
tonizito wrote:
most people only use it with the RDS/Holo



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PostPosted: Thu, 5th Jul 2012 01:20    Post subject:
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lothink pls Sad


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i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then
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PostPosted: Thu, 5th Jul 2012 01:24    Post subject:
tonizito wrote:
lothink pls Sad


Sorry, I didn't catch that man Razz
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PostPosted: Thu, 5th Jul 2012 01:33    Post subject:
hitlonk pls


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i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then
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PostPosted: Thu, 5th Jul 2012 01:40    Post subject:
Ohhhh I see now Very Happy Hmmm that's weird, I'm using postimage.org which was recommended by someone here (can't remember who it was). Linking with imgur.com previous to that seemed to work each time though.

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PostPosted: Thu, 5th Jul 2012 01:42    Post subject:
Yeah looks like postimage has blocked us like abload did some time ago, but imgur is still good. Smile
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PostPosted: Thu, 5th Jul 2012 01:43    Post subject:
4treyu wrote:
Ohhhh I see now Very Happy Hmmm that's weird, I'm using postimage.org which was recommended by someone here (can't remember who it was). Linking with imgur.com previous to that seemed to work each time though.

imgur.com is where it's at, dunno who was the noob that recommended postimage.org Mad


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OLime




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PostPosted: Thu, 5th Jul 2012 07:32    Post subject:
tonizito wrote:
Well IMO the ACW-R is overpowered because I only tend to use it at medium-long, with pretty much no recoil and dead on accuracy with the PK-A + Heavy Barrel + Foregrip and I usually get ~20-22% accuracy at the end of the match Shocked


Especially for the ACW-R that is a strange setup. It's an excellent carbine for medium to long ranges so why cripple that with the fg? And the ACW is the one carbine that gets the least bonus by the hbar since it has the most consinstent damage profile. At the same time, this makes it an excellent weapon to run suppressed, and the other slot you can leave either naked or slap a bipod on it for when you go counter-sniping.

The F2K is a piece of crap btw, and I have to say I don't know anybody who plays with that. I read here first that some consider it to be OP.
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madness




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PostPosted: Thu, 5th Jul 2012 07:47    Post subject:
ixigia wrote:
Yeah looks like postimage has blocked us like abload did some time ago, but imgur is still good. Smile


Why do they block us? Too much traffic? xD
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4treyu




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PostPosted: Thu, 5th Jul 2012 08:39    Post subject:
OLime wrote:

The F2K is a piece of crap btw, and I have to say I don't know anybody who plays with that. I read here first that some consider it to be OP.


I don't know if it's effectively OP but it certainly feels like that Very Happy I kill much more easily with it than with any other AR, except at long ranges of course.
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PostPosted: Thu, 5th Jul 2012 08:49    Post subject:
4treyu wrote:
I don't know if it's effectively OP but it certainly feels like that Very Happy I kill much more easily with it than with any other AR, except at long ranges of course.


Did you try the FAMAS? It easily destroys the F2000 in CQC. But yeah, in the end it's all about the feel of a gun and not its statistics or what other people say Smile.
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PostPosted: Thu, 5th Jul 2012 08:59    Post subject:
OLime wrote:
4treyu wrote:
I don't know if it's effectively OP but it certainly feels like that Very Happy I kill much more easily with it than with any other AR, except at long ranges of course.


Did you try the FAMAS? It easily destroys the F2000 in CQC. But yeah, in the end it's all about the feel of a gun and not its statistics or what other people say Smile.


Yep, the FAMAS at CQC is superior but it's a nearly useless weapon for everything else. In that regard the F2000 is more versatile. And yeah, you worded it perfectly, feel >>> weapon stats.
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PostPosted: Thu, 5th Jul 2012 10:22    Post subject:
OLime wrote:
Especially for the ACW-R that is a strange setup. It's an excellent carbine for medium to long ranges so why cripple that with the fg? And the ACW is the one carbine that gets the least bonus by the hbar since it has the most consinstent damage profile. At the same time, this makes it an excellent weapon to run suppressed, and the other slot you can leave either naked or slap a bipod on it for when you go counter-sniping.

The F2K is a piece of crap btw, and I have to say I don't know anybody who plays with that. I read here first that some consider it to be OP.
I need to cripple it with the foregrip because if I don't use it it sways from side to side and makes long bursts (which I tend to use with it) much more difficult to control.
And I'm not using the heavy barrel for any bonus but rather to counter some/all of the effects of using the foregrip on long ranges without pretty much any recoil penalty.

Did you actually test the weapon with my config or are you just pulling stuff up from some guy's (or even DICE's) stats sheet again?

Should try it yourself, you might be surprised when you find that maybe that stat sheet might not have the effect that you think it does, the same goes for the F2000.


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OLime




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PostPosted: Thu, 5th Jul 2012 12:40    Post subject:
tonizito wrote:
Should try it yourself, you might be surprised when you find that maybe that stat sheet might not have the effect that you think it does, the same goes for the F2000.


Of course I tried that, otherwise I wouldn't post that here. FG+hbar is always my default setup as I like it for several other guns. And mind you, I did not say that your combo does not work. Of course it does, but what I posted there was an alternative setup that much more compliments the gun's strength. I don't use FG for it and I also use long burst and never had any trouble with sway in either direction.

Yes, like I said, I find the F2000 to be utter crap. It only shines up to 25, maybe 30 meters, everything beyond you can't hit because it's that hard to control. And in CQC, like I also said, it's outgunned by the FAMAS. So, while people might be actually good with it, I fail to see where it's OP.
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PostPosted: Thu, 5th Jul 2012 15:52    Post subject:
Also don't forget that it's fg+hb+PK-A since I'm a huge scope fag Razz


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PostPosted: Thu, 5th Jul 2012 16:02    Post subject:
I barely use foregrip at the moment since I don't like the penalty it has.


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PostPosted: Thu, 5th Jul 2012 17:23    Post subject:
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MinderMast




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PostPosted: Thu, 5th Jul 2012 17:38    Post subject:
garus wrote:
Aeon wrote:
I barely use foregrip at the moment since I don't like the penalty it has.


What's the penalty?

Decreased accuracy when aiming down the sights, if I am not mistaken.

Edit: "Long range accuracy" is what it actually says.
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OLime




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PostPosted: Thu, 5th Jul 2012 17:46    Post subject:
MinderMast wrote:
garus wrote:
What's the penalty?

Decreased accuracy when aiming down the sights, if I am not mistaken.


Correct. It makes it harder to get follow-up shots hit the target when aiming down the sights as the FG increases the spread, and for some weapons considerably.
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PostPosted: Thu, 5th Jul 2012 18:11    Post subject:
I didn't even know it and I've been using the foregrip on basically all the weapons since forever o.O

This is what happens when I play for the lulz without paying attention to the changelogs Laughing (Also I blame the sexy tanks for having took away great part of my time grinhurt)
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PostPosted: Thu, 5th Jul 2012 18:14    Post subject:
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PostPosted: Thu, 5th Jul 2012 18:16    Post subject:
ixigia wrote:
I didn't even know it and I've been using the foregrip on basically all the weapons since forever o.O

This is what happens when I play for the lulz without paying attention to the changelogs Laughing (Also I blame the sexy tanks for having took away great part of my time grinhurt)


me too , all this time i thought the fore grip decreased vertical recoil and that's it

i just played a match without it and hooly shit Aimed accuracy indeed increased by quite a bit using a Scar-L
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PostPosted: Thu, 5th Jul 2012 18:22    Post subject:
fable2 wrote:
ixigia wrote:
I didn't even know it and I've been using the foregrip on basically all the weapons since forever o.O

This is what happens when I play for the lulz without paying attention to the changelogs Laughing (Also I blame the sexy tanks for having took away great part of my time grinhurt)


me too , all this time i thought the fore grip decreased vertical recoil and that's it

i just played a match without it and hooly shit Aimed accuracy indeed increased by quite a bit using a Scar-L

A new era has begun!
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OLime




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PostPosted: Thu, 5th Jul 2012 18:28    Post subject:
garus wrote:
What the hell. Isn't foregrip supposed to INCREASE the accuracy?


No, the only thing it positively affects is the HORIZONTAL recoil, not even the vertical recoil.
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PostPosted: Thu, 5th Jul 2012 18:28    Post subject:

ixigia wrote:

Damn you Dice and your deceiving tactics to make us look like noobs xD

Yup Razz


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PostPosted: Thu, 5th Jul 2012 18:33    Post subject:
Here is a video explaning a little better :



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PostPosted: Thu, 5th Jul 2012 18:35    Post subject:
So does anyone know if the flash suppressor hides you on the mini-map if nobody is around to hear you fire the weapon or does it work like the regular suppressor or without it?


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MinderMast




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PostPosted: Thu, 5th Jul 2012 18:39    Post subject:
garus wrote:
MinderMast wrote:
garus wrote:


What's the penalty?

Decreased accuracy when aiming down the sights, if I am not mistaken.

Edit: "Long range accuracy" is what it actually says.


What the hell. Isn't foregrip supposed to INCREASE the accuracy?

The idea is, that a foregrip is for CQB and controlling your weapons recoil. When taking longer range aimed shots, you (allegedly) would hold your weapon the "normal" way Smile

And really guys, after all those posts on attachment tweaks, some of you regularly play BF3 and still don't know about it... Shame on you Razz

Here's some more reading material straight from Mr.Kertz Smile
http://blogs.battlefield.com/2012/04/inside-dice-perfect-setup/
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OLime




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PostPosted: Thu, 5th Jul 2012 18:39    Post subject:
Prefetian wrote:
So does anyone know if the flash suppressor hides you on the mini-map if nobody is around to hear you fire the weapon or does it work like the regular suppressor or without it?


It hides the muzzle flash but not your icon turning up on the mini map. It can be helpful though when firing out of windows or bushes to not be seen. I do not have any active weapon equipped with it currently.
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