E3 2012 - The E3 of Disillusion
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PostPosted: Sun, 10th Jun 2012 11:42    Post subject: E3 2012 - The E3 of Disillusion
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/172088/From_the_Editor_E3_2012__The_E3_of_Disillusion.php

Gamasutra editor-in-chief Kris Graft:

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Go to E3 and try to identify trends, you'll soon realize that you're looking into the past. E3 2012 could've been E3 2006. It is a museum without the informative placards. It's an archaeologist's dream. It's a reality show starring a washed-up rockstar. It's old gameplay. Old themes. A parade of old business models meant to pacify retailers, patting them on the head to assure them that they will be as relevant five years from now as they are today. E3 2012 was a fool's circus, more than any other E3 that I've been to. It insulted my intelligence, and insulted my enthusiasm for video games.


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If you witnessed E3 as an intelligent enthusiast of video games, you realized the sad truth: The joy is dead, delight is gone. Joy and delight just aren't worth the monetary investment anymore for big-budget games. Joy and delight are replaced by "I fucked your shit up, and I'm a bad-ass, let's crack open a Dew." It took all of these games in one place for me to finally, reluctantly, admit that this is what triple-A video games are now. At least that's how E3 and triple-A game publishers apparently want to portray the world of video games. Are you not entertained?
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PostPosted: Sun, 10th Jun 2012 11:59    Post subject:
The popularization and aimed audiences turned almost everything to shit in the industry.
I may seem like a bitter old fart for speaking with such negaitivity on today's scene, but the bitching is more than justified. Spoiled kids and drunken frat boys destroyed my hobby.
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PostPosted: Sun, 10th Jun 2012 12:05    Post subject:
agreed 100%


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PostPosted: Sun, 10th Jun 2012 12:10    Post subject:
how is it a bunch of kids and frat boys fault?

wouldnt blaming it on retarded ceo's of big companies be more accurate?

Its the publishers and the developers(yes even the devs need to get their shit straight)

they arnt as innocent as alot of people make em out to be " o hurr durr poor bioware BECAUSE EA"
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PostPosted: Sun, 10th Jun 2012 12:16    Post subject:
You can put blame on everyone (or no one) equally for ballooning the development costs. In the early to mid-90's, games - even 'mainstream' ones - cost a pittance to make in comparison to now and needed only a small development team. You could go wild with ideas, you weren't as accountable to quarterly profits or shit like that.

Fallout, for example, had a skeleton crew of devs early on and they were left pretty much completely alone to do their own thing. You think that ever happens these days under a major publisher (which Interplay was back then)? I'd be willing to bet the atmosphere was similar and at least partly responsible in giving birth to many classic games. Developers could make the games they wanted, not the tripe that the marketing department thinks the market wants.

Before, the CEO's often were gamers and devs themselves, now they're corporate suits who think of games only as products to push.
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PostPosted: Sun, 10th Jun 2012 12:22    Post subject:
The publisher is to blame and so are certain developers for being greedy fucks. They don't make the standards - the customers do. And when the majority of fans are casual players or kids who don't give fuck about anything related to the industry except the generic pew-pew-pew aspect and shouting in team speak over a mp game, of course a lot of mistakes will be made.

Fallout is a great example of the "new age" product not having much in common gameplay-wise with its predecessor.

Of course no one can pinpoint a single reason in a random post on a message board, but I believe the following aritcle does a good job of reminding what's wrong during the creative process now.

http://www.warhorsestudios.cz/index.php?page=blog&entry=blog_007
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PostPosted: Sun, 10th Jun 2012 12:23    Post subject:
inz wrote:
You can put blame on everyone (or no one) equally for ballooning the development costs. In the early to mid-90's, games - even 'mainstream' ones - cost a pittance to make in comparison to now and needed only a small development team. You could go wild with ideas, you weren't as accountable to quarterly profits or shit like that.

Fallout, for example, had a skeleton crew of devs early on and they were left pretty much completely alone to do their own thing. You think that ever happens these days under a major publisher (which Interplay was back then)? I'd be willing to bet the atmosphere was similar and at least partly responsible in giving birth to many classic games. Developers could make the games they wanted, not the tripe that the marketing department thinks the market wants.

Before, the CEO's often were gamers and devs themselves, now they're corporate suits who think of games only as products to push.



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PostPosted: Sun, 10th Jun 2012 12:25    Post subject:
I don't understand how this guy is surprised. E3 has always been a mess of fast-paced trailers, meaningless conferences, half-naked boothbabes etc.
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PostPosted: Sun, 10th Jun 2012 12:28    Post subject:
E3 was still cool before the latest batch of consoles came. Razz
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PostPosted: Sun, 10th Jun 2012 12:32    Post subject:
Back then E3 was a bussiness of some sweaty, bearded, fat-bellied nerds. It has been flashy, sexy, testosterone ridden since years. This guy is atleast five years too late with his article IMO.
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PostPosted: Sun, 10th Jun 2012 12:39    Post subject:
inz wrote:
You can put blame on everyone (or no one) equally for ballooning the development costs. In the early to mid-90's, games - even 'mainstream' ones - cost a pittance to make in comparison to now and needed only a small development team. You could go wild with ideas, you weren't as accountable to quarterly profits or shit like that.

Fallout, for example, had a skeleton crew of devs early on and they were left pretty much completely alone to do their own thing. You think that ever happens these days under a major publisher (which Interplay was back then)? I'd be willing to bet the atmosphere was similar and at least partly responsible in giving birth to many classic games. Developers could make the games they wanted, not the tripe that the marketing department thinks the market wants.

Before, the CEO's often were gamers and devs themselves, now they're corporate suits who think of games only as products to push.
And along with those the money blown away in advertising... I think EA blew $100M of BF3, and that was _only_ the post launch advertising Mind Is Full Of Fuck

I know it's directly connected to the development costs but still...


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PostPosted: Sun, 10th Jun 2012 12:43    Post subject:
Gotta spend money to make money, that's the first thing you learn in business school! Laughing
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PostPosted: Sun, 10th Jun 2012 12:47    Post subject:
Damn, I should watch E3 already Sad
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PostPosted: Sun, 10th Jun 2012 13:11    Post subject:
Hold on a minute, is this not the way these countless 'experts' have been pushing games for the past decade ?

giving the latest generic FPS 10/10 and telling us its the best game EVERRRRRRRRR!!!!!!

Pushing the awesome button into Dragon Age 2 and then declaring it the RPG event of the millennium!!!!!!

Sorry, but these people are the ones who have caused things to go to shit, why should Modern Warfare 73 be a 10/10 game, if its just a clone of the previous game on new maps give it a fucking 5/10 and demand innovation.

but no, change is bad and we will still be playing Generic FPS 73 on the 'next gen' and it will still get 10/10 bestest game EVERRRRRR! reviews and in 15 years time they will all wonder why it has gone to shit.

Pretty much anyone who reviews a Call of Duty game (modern ones) and gives it more than a 7/10 deserves to be ignored.


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PostPosted: Sun, 10th Jun 2012 14:17    Post subject:
E3 stopped being a conference for gamers years ago, now it's just the Jersey Shore of gaming, an embarassing para-parade of idiocy that fortunately represents only a relatively small percentage of reality.

I couldn't care less about the few pew pew pumped AAA games for the dumb masses, the real good games will be out anyway, eventually. They'll just be hidden and free from all that media insanity.
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PostPosted: Sun, 10th Jun 2012 14:19    Post subject:
ixigia wrote:
E3 stopped being a conference for gamers years ago, now it's just the Jersey Shore of gaming, an embarassing para-parade of idiocy that fortunately represents only a relatively small percentage of reality.

I couldn't care less about the few pew pew pumped AAA games for the dumb masses, the real good games will be out anyway, eventually. They'll just be hidden and free from all that media insanity.


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PostPosted: Sun, 10th Jun 2012 21:41    Post subject:
ixigia wrote:
E3 stopped being a conference for gamers years ago, now it's just the Jersey Shore of gaming, an embarassing para-parade of idiocy that fortunately represents only a relatively small percentage of reality.

I couldn't care less about the few pew pew pumped AAA games for the dumb masses, the real good games will be out anyway, eventually. They'll just be hidden and free from all that media insanity.


I'd be seriously wet for ixi now, if I was a gamer woman Smile
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PostPosted: Sun, 10th Jun 2012 22:33    Post subject:


3080 | ps5 pro

Sin317-"im 31 years old and still surprised at how much shit comes out of my ass actually ..."
SteamDRM-"Call of Duty is the symbol of the true perfection in every aspect. Call of Duty games are like Mozart's/Beethoven's symphonies"
deadpoetic-"are you new to the cyberspace?"
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PostPosted: Sun, 10th Jun 2012 23:03    Post subject:
KillerCrocker wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5mUapJTYyE

any similiar things from this years E3 ? Laughing
would love a compilation video of the "best" moments. Smile
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PostPosted: Sun, 10th Jun 2012 23:05    Post subject:
sure. this year was rich Laughing



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PostPosted: Sun, 10th Jun 2012 23:23    Post subject:
Not from this year, but I thought it is relevant
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PostPosted: Sun, 10th Jun 2012 23:25    Post subject:
KillerCrocker wrote:
sure. this year was rich Laughing

Wait. They had toboscus in one of the conferences? Wow, they are getting really desperate.
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PostPosted: Sun, 10th Jun 2012 23:49    Post subject:
KillerCrocker wrote:
sure. this year was rich Laughing


thanks!
there is no hope for mankind Laughing

nerrd wrote:
Not from this year, but I thought it is relevant

now this is in a league of its own Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon, 11th Jun 2012 00:10    Post subject:
recapture wrote:

nerrd wrote:
Not from this year, but I thought it is relevant

now this is in a league of its own Laughing


Rarely do I see things, that are so bad, that they are hilariously good. This is one of those rare occasions. I can't stop laughing about these guys, who did this with complete seriousness. Sad.
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PostPosted: Mon, 11th Jun 2012 00:22    Post subject:
Having watched all these videos, I feel silly for having the hobby of gaming Smile
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PostPosted: Mon, 11th Jun 2012 00:23    Post subject:
Radicalus wrote:
recapture wrote:

nerrd wrote:
Not from this year, but I thought it is relevant

now this is in a league of its own Laughing


Rarely do I see things, that are so bad, that they are hilariously good. This is one of those rare occasions. I can't stop laughing about these guys, who did this with complete seriousness. Sad.
I remember that one Laughing

0:52 - 1:10


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PostPosted: Tue, 12th Jun 2012 02:41    Post subject:
bronson wrote:
http://www.warhorsestudios.cz/index.php?page=blog&entry=blog_007

OMG! That was so fucking great! Shocked Thank you for that read it! So much truth, so much comedy, and so much tragedy in this article.

If you guys haven't already, just shut up then and read it! At least this fragment. I assure you it's really worth it!

How gaming industry works:

 Spoiler:
 


I sensed it looks that way, but this story is created by the insider, a person who actually works in this industry and knows a lot about it.

This is ultimately frightening and so sad at the same time. Crying or Very sad


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PostPosted: Tue, 12th Jun 2012 02:43    Post subject:
Dan Vavra <3

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PostPosted: Tue, 12th Jun 2012 02:48    Post subject:
im happy there are devs like bohemia around and projects like kickstarter to bring some real PC gaming back, E3 can have its herderp interactive movies
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PostPosted: Tue, 12th Jun 2012 03:11    Post subject:
Only good game that seemed decent at E3 this year was PS2. Everything else was the same old shit.

Even PS2 is hardly anything 'new', but at least it's building off of Planetside and they aren't butchering the game either.
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