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Neon
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-disregard that, i suck cocks-
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| Posted: Sat, 11th Feb 2012 08:58 Post subject: |
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That's just Guinsoo(DotA Allstars, not original DotA), he just did it because he works at Riot, and Pendragon sure as hell isn't an original developer.
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| Posted: Sat, 11th Feb 2012 09:27 Post subject: |
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It's not THE original map, made by Eul, but it's the DOTA that everyone knows. This is the version that was worked on by Icefrog, after he received it by Feak.
Eul made the original map.
Feak came along and worked on it for a few years, called it DOTA Allstars, but it was eventually renamed by everyone as simply DOTA.
Then he handed it to Icefrog.
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JackQ
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| Posted: Fri, 11th May 2012 23:25 Post subject: |
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Valve and Blizzard settle dispute over use of DOTA
| Quote: | Defence of the Ancients is a Warcraft III map created by modders and in February, Blizzard challenged Valve’s right to use the title DOTA 2 as the title of its MOBA game.
The case was brought to the attention of the US Patent and Trademark Office’s Trial and Appeal Board by Blizzard where it sought to challenge Valve’s right to trademark the word DOTA.
“Both Blizzard and Valve recognize that, at the end of the day, players just want to be able to play the games they’re looking forward to, so we’re happy to come to an agreement that helps both of us stay focused on that,” said Rob Pardo, executive vice president of game design at Blizzard Entertainment.
“As part of this agreement, we’re going to be changing the name of Blizzard DOTA to Blizzard All-Stars, which ultimately better reflects the design of our game. We look forward to going into more detail on that at a later date.”
“We’re pleased that we could come to an agreement with Blizzard without drawing things out in a way that would benefit no one,” said Gabe Newell, president and co-founder of Valve. “We both want to focus on the things our fans care about, creating and shipping great games for our communities.”
Under the agreement, Blizzard will preserve noncommercial use of DOTA for its community “with regard to player-created maps for Warcraft III and StarCraft II.”
The companies do not plan to discuss the terms of the agreement beyond today’s announcement. |
"Fuck Denuvo"
Your personal opinions != the rest of the forum
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Przepraszam
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| Posted: Fri, 11th May 2012 23:32 Post subject: |
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I dislike new name and I blame it on e-sports!
I do not know what is worse E-Sports or watching paraolympics
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zipfero
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| Posted: Sat, 12th May 2012 00:07 Post subject: |
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| besthijacker wrote: | I dislike new name and I blame it on e-sports!
I do not know what is worse E-Sports or watching paraolympics |
you are
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| Posted: Sat, 12th May 2012 01:52 Post subject: |
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um blizzard lost? how on earth? this doesn't make any sense...
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| Posted: Sat, 12th May 2012 06:12 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Sat, 12th May 2012 06:36 Post subject: |
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nder the agreement, Blizzard will preserve noncommercial use of DOTA for its community “with regard to player-created maps for Warcraft III and StarCraft II.”
blizzard dota is a sc2 map.
they dint lost anything, only the right to do a dota named pure game, which they dint intend to do it anyway.
or i'm missign something ?
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| Posted: Sat, 12th May 2012 13:22 Post subject: |
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Basically they lost the right to use the name for any commercial or total-game ventures. That's a win for Valve, who retain the right to make DOTA-titled games.
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| Posted: Sat, 12th May 2012 13:40 Post subject: |
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The rights are with IceFrog anyway in my book (the book of a unicorn wonderland and fairy tales) since he's the one who's working his ass off on DOTA longer than anyone else and still keeps going and updates the WC3 map and is making the sequel together with Valve. I mean WTF, even friggin Eul works at Valve.
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| Posted: Sat, 12th May 2012 13:43 Post subject: |
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Exactly! If Eul and IceFrog (creator and maintainer together) are working at Valve, on a new DOTA title, then it's their baby -- and by extension; Valve's, for paying the bills -- so Blizzard's attempt to snatch back the title, or prevent Valve from using it, was wrong. This ISN'T from the standpoint of a Blizzard hater, just one of logic. If Eul and IceFrog were working at Blizzard on making a new DOTA game, my opinion would the same; Blizzard should retain the name.
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zipfero
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| Posted: Sat, 12th May 2012 13:46 Post subject: |
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The game blizzard is making isnt dota anyway..its just a silly little custom map
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| Posted: Sat, 12th May 2012 13:56 Post subject: |
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| zipfero wrote: | | The game blizzard is making isnt dota anyway..its just a silly little custom map |
No, but they tried to snatch the DOTA name whilst simultaneously preventing anyone else from using it, which is worse. If they were at least making a full DOTA game it would be understandable, if still not agreeable, but in the end it was just plain selfishness and greed.
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| Posted: Sat, 12th May 2012 14:01 Post subject: |
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Back when this started, Blizzard specified that their problem wasn't that Valve wanted the name, but that they wanted EXCLUSIVE use of the name.
"Valve is usually so pro mod community. It's such a community company that it just seems like a really strange move to us... I really don't understand why [they would do it], to be honest."
They also said their goal was simply to make sure that they could keep using the DOTA name, and make sure the community could also keep using the name (which couldn't be done if Valve had exclusive control over it).
""Our contention is that it should continue to be available to Blizzard and to our community."
This was all back in 2010. This isn't a recent change of mind.
Blizzard wasn't the only one to sue Valve for that exact reason, either.
The result actually follows what they said their goal was. They both got what they wanted. Valve gets to have the name, even tho they didn't originally own it, while Blizzard and the community both get to keep using it.
Everyone got their candy.
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| Posted: Sat, 12th May 2012 14:05 Post subject: |
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They wanted exclusive use because they're making a commercial product with the original developer. This isn't hard to understand and thus I fail to see the confusion. As has been discussed many times, Blizzard had zero intention of supporting or maintaining a DOTA title until Valve posted the patent request.
Selfishness and greed, pure and simple.
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| Posted: Sat, 12th May 2012 14:14 Post subject: |
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There's no confusion, it's simply shitty for the community.
Also, they're making the commercial product with some* of the original developers. (Eul and Icefrog)
The other one also sued Valve for taking the name away from the community.
No one had any problem with Valve using the name. On the other hand, they didn't approve of Valve taking the name away from others.
That's where DOTA started and the community shouldn't be unable to go on due to Valve wanting to make their own game.
The lawsuit simply made sure everyone got what they wanted. That's where I don't understand the confusion.
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| Posted: Sat, 12th May 2012 14:16 Post subject: |
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It's not the "community" making DOTA2, it's Valve/IceFrog/Eul. Simple as that, really :\ That's why I believe Valve should be entitled to the protection of the name. It would undermine value and reputation of their title if everyone else was allowed to make DOTA-named games.
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zipfero
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| Posted: Sat, 12th May 2012 14:17 Post subject: |
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| sabin1981 wrote: | | It's not the "community" making DOTA2, it's Valve/IceFrog/Eul. Simple as that, really :\ That's why I believe Valve should be entitled to the protection of the name. It would undermine value and reputation of their title if everyone else was allowed to make DOTA-named games. |
Then call it something else
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| Posted: Sat, 12th May 2012 14:17 Post subject: |
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| sabin1981 wrote: | | It's not the "community" making DOTA2, it's Valve/IceFrog/Eul. Simple as that, really :\ That's why I believe Valve should be entitled to the protection of the name. It would undermine value and reputation of their title if everyone else was allowed to make DOTA-named games. |
Yep, and Eul gave it away to a specific person back then and not the whole community.
| zipfero wrote: | | sabin1981 wrote: | | It's not the "community" making DOTA2, it's Valve/IceFrog/Eul. Simple as that, really :\ That's why I believe Valve should be entitled to the protection of the name. It would undermine value and reputation of their title if everyone else was allowed to make DOTA-named games. |
Then call it something else |
Why should IF and Eul doing so? If anyone has a right on DOTA then it's them.
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| Posted: Sat, 12th May 2012 14:18 Post subject: |
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Who should call it something else? Valve? No. why should they? The original developers (2 of 3, so majority rule) and Valve themselves are making the game. Why should they name it something else?
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| Posted: Sat, 12th May 2012 14:20 Post subject: |
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The game blizzard is making isnt dota anyway..its just a silly little custom map
vs the original dota which was ? a silly custom map.
agree with kanint, blizzard jumped on guns when valve announced their intention to trademark dota, they had no issue letting them working on it. if they had, they would have sued in the begining.
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| Posted: Sat, 12th May 2012 14:21 Post subject: |
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Blizz & Riot basically just tried to poison the well by throwing out all the community crap as if there is ever communal ownership of anything. They then tried to oppose Valve legally, and now it's magically settled and Blizzard aren't using the name commercially. They lost but were allowed to keep their dignity in tact.
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| Posted: Sat, 12th May 2012 14:23 Post subject: |
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They lost but were allowed to keep their dignity in tact.
if they would have totally lost, they should be not able to make and advertise DOTA, a custom sc2 map.
i doubt blizzard would ever intended to make a full stand alone dota game.
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| Posted: Sat, 12th May 2012 14:26 Post subject: |
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They settled out of court, on terms that were far from what they originally wanted, so it stands to reason they predicted a high chance they wouldn't be allowed any use of the Dota name at all if they didn't come to terms with Valve.
The entire pretense was to "protect" Dota from commercial use, which is all Valve want and exactly what Valve got.
We can "doubt" what blizzard intended or look at their actions, which paint a picture of a side in a losing battle who had the good sense to give up
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| Posted: Sat, 12th May 2012 14:36 Post subject: |
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| hailey wrote: | | Blizz & Riot basically just tried to poison the well by throwing out all the community crap as if there is ever communal ownership of anything. They then tried to oppose Valve legally, and now it's magically settled and Blizzard aren't using the name commercially. They lost but were allowed to keep their dignity in tact. |
At first I thought the same, but Blizzard's stance never actually changed : They didn't care if Valve got the name, as long as they didn't keep it exclusive.
If Blizzard had changed their mind, went from asking one thing to asking another, I could understand everyone doubting their intentions.
But as it currently stands, they always asked the same thing. Any doubt people have is based on their own perception of what Blizzard (or Acti-Blizzard) is like, and is not based on how they actually acted in this matter.
I'm not saying it's wrong to doubt them, but people are currently judging them as "losers" and "liars" even tho they actually handled this one perfectly fine.
| hailey wrote: | | They settled out of court, on terms that were far from what they originally wanted |
The terms were exactly what they asked for, actually.
2010 : Our contention is that it should continue to be available to Blizzard and to our community.
2012 : Under the agreement, Blizzard will preserve noncommercial use of DOTA for its community “with regard to player-created maps for Warcraft III and StarCraft II.”
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