So anyway, the question is, what political alignment are you and why?
I consider myself a centre-right guy. or a conservative liberal, even though I'm not really that conservative in many cases.
I am all for privatization in all things apart from things integral and crucial to the country (like power plants).
I don't think drugs should be legalized, but I think that the punishment for having a small amount on you should be way lower than it is now (in Poland)
I think that the death penalty should definitely return.
Abortion should be legal, but I think that mothers should have a talk with a psychologist before the procedure.
Euthanasia should be legal, but you have to take an injection yourself, no need for the doctor to become involved.
I think that the EU shouldn't be involved in the quality of commerce, it's up to me if I want to buy a crooked banana or a rotten apple.
The EU should be limited to the Schengen agreement to make crossing the border easier.
The unemployment benefit should be limited. Everyone can lose a job, but you can't live off other people's cash. If you can't find a job in 3-6 months, you should lose the benefit.
Income tax should be limited to the bare minimum and should be a flat tax. Punishing those that do well in life is idiotic.
Homosexuals should be able to legalize their relationship, to make things like succession a lot easier.
The EU should be limited to the Schengen agreement to make crossing the border easier.
I'd rather see a way to stop all beggars from coming to Sweden. I think they are from Hungary or Romania...we usually have 5-10 of them sitting everywhere with their hand reached out. I had one like 10cm from me when I withdrew money one day. Really anoying.
Don't get me wrong - I don't like poverty and nobody should be forced to live poor and starving..however, I'm not so sure if these people are doing this on their own or if they are sent here in groups.
Edit: Nobody have to live like that in Sweden and beg - so really, there is no need for sitting on Your knees like that. We've got a very well oiled system for giving citizens a home and food here...thats one of the reasons we get so many immigrants. If I was living in poverty I'd proberbly go where there was help myself.
Edit: Incase people missunderstand me...by all mean, come and seek citizenship in Sweden just like anyone else...but I really hate all these beggars in the street when there really is no need for it.
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I consider myself a social-demokrat, but in germany the social demokrats behave like center-right, so I'd vote for the left party.
Neon wrote:
I am all for privatization in all things apart from things integral and crucial to the country (like power plants).
Powerplants, water supply etc, yes they should stay in the power of the country.
I don't think drugs should be legalized, but I think that the punishment for having a small amount on you should be way lower than it is now (in Poland)
Nothing to add.
I think that the death penalty should definitely return.
Never.
Abortion should be legal, but I think that mothers should have a talk with a psychologist before the procedure.
Sounds ok.
Euthanasia should be legal, but you have to take an injection yourself, no need for the doctor to become involved.
Sounds ok, but what about people who are not able to do it themselves? *just asking*
The EU should be limited to the Schengen agreement to make crossing the border easier.
Sounds ok.
The unemployment benefit should be limited. Everyone can lose a job, but you can't live off other people's cash. If you can't find a job in 3-6 months, you should lose the benefit.
Nope, losing the benefit will do what? Encourage people to search for a job? How about making it lucrative to have a job. In germany a lot of people still have to receive benefits from the state, even though they are working 40 hours a week... Just compare to what is being spent on social welfare vs bank bailouts and you'll see where the real problems lay... Definitely not with the poor Ofc this is just a very small fraction of the problem, education should be accessible for everybody and needs much much much more funding.
Income tax should be limited to the bare minimum and should be a flat tax. Punishing those that do well in life is idiotic.
Every citizen has a responsibility, even with his wealth. I earn good money and I don't have a problem that I pay ~50% of it on taxes. And I'd wish that the state would tax the richer properly. Let's say 60% for people that earn more than 200.000€ per year, 70% for more than 500.000... (I'm just blowing numbers out of my ass, you get the idea). Oh and there should be a small tax on the money that you have more than 1.000.000€
Homosexuals should be able to legalize their relationship, to make things like succession a lot easier.
Sounds fishy? Why not just give them the right to marry, like any other couple.
Well not really, there are legally accepted relationships, which do not really have the status of a marriage, for example in case the partner dies and so on... At least that is what I know, maybe I'm misinformed though.
I think that the death penalty should definitely return.
Now that I think of it - I'd like to hear You're reason for wanting this back...cos tbh, there really is no proof that it reduce criminality in any way. Also, there is always a risk that somebody get executed who afterwards turns out to be innocent. It's happened before and I'm sure it will happen again.
I do belive death should be the ultimate penalty - however, there really is no way to make it work 100% so I'd rather not see it at all.
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I never quite understood boxing people into clearly defined spectra in politics, my own ideas are all over the place.
I'll take your points to clarify since I think the things you mentioned are probably the most important things politically.
Privatization: I'm also all for it, except the market sadly does not work as it is intended. Everything that got privatized here pretty much skyrocketed in cost for the consumer. While I do agree with the idea that the market will take care of itself, the fact remains that most people are greedy fuckers. So I am for governmental control, no matter how little it need be in some cases.
Drugs: I think the Dutch system works, nothing more to add to that.
Death penalty: Our justice system is flawed since humanity is flawed. There is always a risk of killing a man for the wrong reason. Sure there are crimes so worse you'd wish the criminal would be instantly executed, but rulings can't be based on emotions.
Abortion: nothing to add to your point.
Euthanasia: what you suggest is medicaly irresponsible and impossible. Doctors aren't there to kill the patient, they're there to make it as smooth as possible. Even doing something (seemingly) as basic as injecting, can lead to a lot of fuck ups (especially if you're in extreme pain/agony).
Unemployment benefit: it should be limited, ONLY if people are actively coached and helped while looking for a job. Job coaching here by the unemployment agency is a farce, a big joke. Finding a job isn't easy.
Income tax: see Pumpy. If you earn a lot, you pay a lot. We're not animals, human civilization should take care of each other. (the sentence doesn't make sence grammatically, but you get the point)
Homosexuals: just let them marry, no need to cause fuss about something as simple as that.
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I consider myself a social-demokrat, but in germany the social demokrats behave like center-right, so I'd vote for the left party.
Neon wrote:
I am all for privatization in all things apart from things integral and crucial to the country (like power plants).
Powerplants, water supply etc, yes they should stay in the power of the country.
I don't think drugs should be legalized, but I think that the punishment for having a small amount on you should be way lower than it is now (in Poland)
Nothing to add.
I think that the death penalty should definitely return.
Never.
Abortion should be legal, but I think that mothers should have a talk with a psychologist before the procedure.
Sounds ok.
Euthanasia should be legal, but you have to take an injection yourself, no need for the doctor to become involved.
Sounds ok, but what about people who are not able to do it themselves? *just asking*
The EU should be limited to the Schengen agreement to make crossing the border easier.
Sounds ok.
The unemployment benefit should be limited. Everyone can lose a job, but you can't live off other people's cash. If you can't find a job in 3-6 months, you should lose the benefit.
Nope, losing the benefit will do what? Encourage people to search for a job? How about making it lucrative to have a job. In germany a lot of people still have to receive benefits from the state, even though they are working 40 hours a week... Just compare to what is being spent on social welfare vs bank bailouts and you'll see where the real problems lay... Definitely not with the poor Ofc this is just a very small fraction of the problem, education should be accessible for everybody and needs much much much more funding.
Income tax should be limited to the bare minimum and should be a flat tax. Punishing those that do well in life is idiotic.
Every citizen has a responsibility, even with his wealth. I earn good money and I don't have a problem that I pay ~50% of it on taxes. And I'd wish that the state would tax the richer properly. Let's say 60% for people that earn more than 200.000€ per year, 70% for more than 500.000... (I'm just blowing numbers out of my ass, you get the idea). Oh and there should be a small tax on the money that you have more than 1.000.000€
Homosexuals should be able to legalize their relationship, to make things like succession a lot easier.
Sounds fishy? Why not just give them the right to marry, like any other couple.
I agree with you on mostly everything, however I think that unemployment benefits should definitely be more limited, not so much in duration or level, but at the point where we can check if you really need it and use it as required.
Unemployment benefits serve as a way to maintain a normal life, this does not mean you can keep buying your designer stuff and a new plasma TV. When you come to enjoy benefits you should be forced into a program that controls your spending, this program should go hand in hand with a program that focusses on you getting back to work. If the job earns 15% less then your previous job this is by no means a reason you should be able to refuse it.
Benefits in general should be more focussed on attaining the goals of the government, for example child support should stop when you have more then 2 children. Our country is overpopulated enough, more children will be on your own costs.
Too often people work here for 5 years, get benefits and move back to their home country, we pay millions to morrocan citizens who live royally on benefits WE still pay them. The benefits should atleast be curbed to the average living standard of the country they live in.
Also on the point of taxes I think that taxation should never go over 49%, it sabotages your tax base. Ofcourse when you earn above a million it would be okay, but for someone who earns 90.000 euro to be forced to pay 52% tax over every extra euro earned? Its proposterous, because it makes you less inclined to work. The notion that more than half of the money you earn goes to other people, especially in the broken system we currently enjoy simply does not work for me. When I work I am fine with paying my share for others, but not the majority!
Also, tax money should never EVER go to charity/development funds. We have taxes so we can supply an acceptable way of life for everyone and maintain our country. Any extra taxes we must tax for giving to Africa for example is breaking the concept of taxes. Taxes fund internal matters and it should stay this way. Afterall, charity is supposed to be voluntary, taxes or NOT.
Agree on most things. Death penalty certainly has its place in my opinion; I don't want to waste tax money on disgusting pieces of shit like Marc Dutroux for example - especially since they live in better conditions than a lot of other people. Get rid of them and be done with it.
As far as drugs go, not hard-drugs, no. But I have no problem with weed being somewhat legal over here (it's not as legal and open as many of you think ). It seems to work out quite fine
Wholeheartedly agree on the abortion part.
Euthanasia I don't agree on in the sense that it should be self administered; my uncle wasn't able to do so anymore, yet he (and we) would've preferred it over the way he went eventually.
As far as taxes and other government money goes, fuck no. I'll give you an example of how fucked up things are here in NL (and from my understanding, not that different in Germany or Poland). My parents earn decent money - not particularly rich, but above average. Because of that I was eligible for next to no student benefits (76 EUR a month and that's it). Fine, we can live with that. What's fucked up is that a friend of mine, whose parents are divorced was eligible for *full* benefits (which was in the range of 330 EUR - over 550 if he had moved out) because in the eyes of the law he only had one legal guardian. Together his parents earned a good 10 grand more than mine and a hefty alimony was arranged. I'm sorry but that is complete horseshit. It's the same with taxes, mortgages and all of it. Marital status alone fucks it up royally; not to mention that the rich people ALL evade half the taxes anyway by "investing" into empty shell corporations. And yes, ALL of them do; my mum is an accountant for several doctors, who all earn a few million a year and end up paying about as much taxes as my parents by doing exactly this. Meanwhile, if they're divorced, their kids get full benefits as well because "legally" their income is not above the threshold. And mind you, that 76 EUR I received wasn't even enough for the ~100 EUR (now it's 126) mandatory health insurance.
I can take it a step further, because "businessmen" who see one of their corporations go bankrupt can just let that one die, start a new one in the meantime with. They all (and yes, again, I'm serious) had their money from that company used as "payment" to another shell company, so by the time the original company goes bankrupt anyone they still owe money from that company is completely fucked and won't get their money. The government gets theirs first, and if anything is left (which is never the case) anyone else might get SOME of what they're owed. For someone like me, with a small company, that means that if I've done work for a company like that I'm basically gonna miss out on a few months of income even though the money IS there. There's nothing one can do against it and it's absolutely disgusting. That's why I request a deposit from clients before I do anything. That way I at least have *some* money.
No, the whole system behind taxes and companies is completely fucked. Not that it's any better in the US, things are even worse there.
I consider myself a social-demokrat, but in germany the social demokrats behave like center-right, so I'd vote for the left party.
Neon wrote:
I am all for privatization in all things apart from things integral and crucial to the country (like power plants).
Powerplants, water supply etc, yes they should stay in the power of the country.
I don't think drugs should be legalized, but I think that the punishment for having a small amount on you should be way lower than it is now (in Poland)
Nothing to add.
I think that the death penalty should definitely return.
Never.
Abortion should be legal, but I think that mothers should have a talk with a psychologist before the procedure.
Sounds ok.
Euthanasia should be legal, but you have to take an injection yourself, no need for the doctor to become involved.
Sounds ok, but what about people who are not able to do it themselves? *just asking*
The EU should be limited to the Schengen agreement to make crossing the border easier.
Sounds ok.
The unemployment benefit should be limited. Everyone can lose a job, but you can't live off other people's cash. If you can't find a job in 3-6 months, you should lose the benefit.
Nope, losing the benefit will do what? Encourage people to search for a job? How about making it lucrative to have a job. In germany a lot of people still have to receive benefits from the state, even though they are working 40 hours a week... Just compare to what is being spent on social welfare vs bank bailouts and you'll see where the real problems lay... Definitely not with the poor Ofc this is just a very small fraction of the problem, education should be accessible for everybody and needs much much much more funding.
Income tax should be limited to the bare minimum and should be a flat tax. Punishing those that do well in life is idiotic.
Every citizen has a responsibility, even with his wealth. I earn good money and I don't have a problem that I pay ~50% of it on taxes. And I'd wish that the state would tax the richer properly. Let's say 60% for people that earn more than 200.000€ per year, 70% for more than 500.000... (I'm just blowing numbers out of my ass, you get the idea). Oh and there should be a small tax on the money that you have more than 1.000.000€
Homosexuals should be able to legalize their relationship, to make things like succession a lot easier.
Sounds fishy? Why not just give them the right to marry, like any other couple.
Are you out of your mind? 60/70% taxes for people who do well? You get to keep 30% of your hard earned money and the state STEALS 70% fuck off. This riles me off to no end. Fucking civilized legal robbery. I'll perhaps get a few pears after this, but paying loads of taxes and seeing absolutely nothing for it pisses me off. But i guess some of you believe in all the good the state uses the tax money for and nothing goes in the pocket to some undeserving cocksucker, like the King here in Norway.
If you increase taxes for wealthy people they'll just put more effort into hiding income.
If you increase the hunt for criminals, they'll just put more effort into hiding their activities. Doesn't mean you shouldn't make the ffort.
This is taxes we are talking about, your point doesn't even make sense.
Go ahead and pay 70% of your million, see if you like it. Taxes should be flat, it's only fair. If someone earns more, he pays more taxes because let's say 19% from a million is bigger than from 100k. So why would you want to punish them with even higher percentage?
If I was filthy rich I'd rather pay accountants to hide the money, rather than pay higher taxes, just because.
I think that the death penalty should definitely return.
Now that I think of it - I'd like to hear You're reason for wanting this back...cos tbh, there really is no proof that it reduce criminality in any way. Also, there is always a risk that somebody get executed who afterwards turns out to be innocent. It's happened before and I'm sure it will happen again.
I do belive death should be the ultimate penalty - however, there really is no way to make it work 100% so I'd rather not see it at all.
Yet people get locked up for life who were innocent as well. It's the flaw of the system. No system is perfect. Not even a system where Tom Cruise has 3 psychics reading the future.
I think that the death penalty should definitely return.
Now that I think of it - I'd like to hear You're reason for wanting this back...cos tbh, there really is no proof that it reduce criminality in any way. Also, there is always a risk that somebody get executed who afterwards turns out to be innocent. It's happened before and I'm sure it will happen again.
I do belive death should be the ultimate penalty - however, there really is no way to make it work 100% so I'd rather not see it at all.
Yet people get locked up for life who were innocent as well. It's the flaw of the system. No system is perfect. Not even a system where Tom Cruise has 3 psychics reading the future.
True - but still, atleast they get to live in that case (even if under harsh conditions).
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Garus, a flat tax is always in favor of the rich. Let's say it's at 33% ok?
If you earn 1000euro you'll have 666euro. Just because you are poor doesn't mean that you also pay less for bread, milk etc....
If you have 10.000 euro a month, you'll be left of with 6666 euro... And it wouldn't really matter if you have 6666 euro or 5000 euro, you'd still live a good life.
And it's not like the state takes the money and burns it. The 1666 euro that you pay more should ideally be used for important stuff, like education, so that chances even out between the rich and the poor.
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Ofc this is just a very small fraction of the problem, education should be accessible for everybody and needs much much much more funding.
