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PostPosted: Fri, 30th Mar 2012 12:29    Post subject:
Still not sure whether I'll pick this or the Transformer Infinity. Won't be any price difference, so that's not my issue. I've done a little digging and there are ways to use it without iTunes just fine as well (very easy in fact, on Ubuntu especially), so I've overcome that. What remains is the fact that I do use a lot of SD cards (moved all of my regular SD stuff onto micro SDs now, using an adapter for my car stereo) which the damn thing can't use. Also annoying is the extra 40 EUR you need to spend for HDMI output. Feature wise the Transformer is just more complete and it's going to come in at just 20 EUR more (that's the current plan anyway, checked this with ASUS NL yesterday). The iPad has slightly higher PPI (253 vs 218), but for me that's what it comes down to :/

I couldn't care less about it being iOS or Android, it just boils down to 35 PPI vs microSD+HDMI mostly (aside from having to wait for reviews to see how the new panel measures up to the FINALLY good panel in the 2012 iPad) Neutral
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PostPosted: Fri, 30th Mar 2012 12:34    Post subject:
You can still get an adapter for microsd on to your ipad, right?


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PostPosted: Fri, 30th Mar 2012 12:39    Post subject:
It's oversized and clunky.. but there are options;

http://store.micgadget.com/accessories/233-3-in-1-ipad-camera-connection-kit.html

USB/SD/MicroSD.
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PostPosted: Fri, 30th Mar 2012 13:12    Post subject:
I'm sure there is something for HDMI over at DealExtreme that costs much less. Between high DPI screen and cards, I'd take the screen.

BTW, didn't know about the card readers (or "Camera Connection Kit"). It can load HD movies as well from there, which is great. I can now get a cheap 16GB iPad and a card reader. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Fri, 30th Mar 2012 13:26    Post subject:
The difference is not between low and high PPI Leo. It's between high and slightly higher. Don't use DPI as a term btw, you don't have dots on a display - you have pixels, dots apply to paper Wink
And for me the SD cards have replaced all my other mobile storage. They work in just about any device without any hassle nowadays and are cheap as fuck to store stuff on. Sure, transfer speeds are lower than that of a USB drive, but more than enough for just about anything (and in my case that's mostly images and audio, little bit of video) Smile

@ Pumpy/Sabin: my point exactly Razz
As nice as the iPad's display is, the hardware for an SD reader costs next to nothing, would fit in the chassis and because of how small microSD is, wouldn't hurt its aesthetics. Same goes for something like the cameras - so much focus on videocalling, but then they give you a bloody terrible VGA camera even though there are 2MP cams that are the exact same size and again, cost next to nothing more.

Instead, you either end up over-paying for a bigger model (same amount in microSD would cost 20 EUR for the best quality; 100 EUR gets you 96 GB easily) or still overpaying for an accessory :/
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PostPosted: Fri, 30th Mar 2012 13:38    Post subject:
Dot an pixel is an interchangeable on a monitor. Well, it is on proper displays anyway, where you have equal amount of RGB components for each pixel. Laughing PenTile matrix on the other hand... Laughing

But the transformer has an IPS display too, so it should be good. Smile
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PostPosted: Fri, 30th Mar 2012 13:55    Post subject:
As far as the PPI goes, I'm quite happy with my iPad 2. The screen quality is great and I really have no complaints... except one and it is a huge one; non-iPad native apps look like fucking ASS. Nine times out of ten, the pixel-doubling makes everything look incredibly poor and I can only shudder how much worse that's going to be on the iPad 3. Native apps will look incredible, no doubt about it, but the adoption rate for iPad apps is still painfully low, so that's only going to get worse for the new Retina screen. At least Apple have enabled the iPad 3 to make use of iPhone retina assets though, for games that support Retina at least, so that should make a huge difference.

RetinaPad recently got updated to provide the same functionality for iPad 2 (using Retina images for non-native iPad titles) but I've not tested it yet so I can't confirm/deny. Obviously it won't ever look as good as retina, the PPI difference is too great, but it should at least alleviate the horrible pixellation on 2x mode apps.
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PostPosted: Fri, 30th Mar 2012 14:13    Post subject:
iNatan wrote:
Dot an pixel is an interchangeable on a monitor. Well, it is on proper displays anyway, where you have equal amount of RGB components for each pixel. Laughing PenTile matrix on the other hand... Laughing

But the transformer has an IPS display too, so it should be good. Smile

Guess that's me working too much with the graphic industry. A 200 PPI image can be printed at 200 DPI or 1200 DPI and have a noticeable (positive) difference. Upscaling that 200 PPI image to 1200 PPI (relatively speaking obviously, since I'm talking images) won't have the same effect though Smile

But yeah, the IPS in the Prime was already decent (way ahead of the old iPads in every metric anyway - but even the original Transformer has a brilliant display), although the 2012 iPad's display actually has a far better colour gamut. Looking at ASUS' track record though, I have high hopes for the Infinity delivering better colour gamut as well. I just hope what I was told on the phone is correct, meaning a starting price of 500 EUR.
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PostPosted: Fri, 30th Mar 2012 14:23    Post subject:
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PostPosted: Fri, 30th Mar 2012 14:47    Post subject:
sabin1981 wrote:
As far as the PPI goes, I'm quite happy with my iPad 2. The screen quality is great and I really have no complaints... except one and it is a huge one; non-iPad native apps look like fucking ASS. Nine times out of ten, the pixel-doubling makes everything look incredibly poor and I can only shudder how much worse that's going to be on the iPad 3. Native apps will look incredible, no doubt about it, but the adoption rate for iPad apps is still painfully low, so that's only going to get worse for the new Retina screen. At least Apple have enabled the iPad 3 to make use of iPhone retina assets though, for games that support Retina at least, so that should make a huge difference.

RetinaPad recently got updated to provide the same functionality for iPad 2 (using Retina images for non-native iPad titles) but I've not tested it yet so I can't confirm/deny. Obviously it won't ever look as good as retina, the PPI difference is too great, but it should at least alleviate the horrible pixellation on 2x mode apps.

Well what you want, you are stretching a 320x480 image on top of 1024x768 display. 640x960 would be somewhat better, but still. Now imaging 320x480 stretching on top of 2048x1536 display Laughing
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PostPosted: Fri, 30th Mar 2012 14:55    Post subject:
sabin1981 wrote:
It's oversized and clunky.. but there are options;

http://store.micgadget.com/accessories/233-3-in-1-ipad-camera-connection-kit.html

USB/SD/MicroSD.


Well yeah that looks nice and all and would fit well in my butt (that is what you do with overpriced apple gadgets, right? Laughing) but it is really way to big and expensive.


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PostPosted: Fri, 30th Mar 2012 14:56    Post subject:
Some upscaling wouldn't go amiss, neither would some filters, instead Apple just do exactly what you say; stretch. I routinely play SNES titles on my PC and those are 256x224 (sometimes 512x448, but rare.. very rare) yet with emulation upscaling and screen filtering, they look great at 1680x1050. Same also goes for the various emulators for the iPad, where emu devs incorporate scaling/filtering and making classic games look good at the native 1024x768 res.

I'm not asking Apple to work magic, but there's enough grunt with the iPad 2 for some decent scaling and/or filtering.

PumpAction wrote:

Well yeah that looks nice and all and would fit well in my butt (that is what you do with overpriced apple gadgets, right? Laughing) but it is really way to big and expensive.


$30 isn't that bad considering the functionality .. though naturally SD/USB should be part of the machine by default. I just checked and it seems the official Apple connectivity kit is actually the same price! That's.. impressive.
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PostPosted: Fri, 30th Mar 2012 15:12    Post subject:
It's different. Apple can't have these fancy upscaling filters because iPad and iPhone have relatively similar chips (CPU+GPU), while iPad has higher resolution. So you can't really have the iPad 2 play a iPhone 4S game and scale it with some intensive filter. You also can't have iPad replace the resolution of most stuff because if how programming works (you can have different resolutions, but if you take the iPhone resolution as hardcoded, the app would break or worse). Apple could add an external upscaler chip, but they have no interest in it, and rightly so; they (and consumers) have an interest of developers developing native iPad apps. It really is very easy adapting an existing app to iPad if you do not wish to make changes. Especially games, where almost no UI is had, if written properly should render properly on almost any display with any aspect ratio (hello PC gaming). iPad has different UI paradigms (like split-view, popovers, etc.) which do require changes if developers want their apps to have the iPad native feel, but the way iOS SDK and the toolkit is set, it really is very simple. And I mean VERY. So any developer making only iPhone app without iPad version is either just lazy or some evangelical-like idiot opposed to tablets.
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PostPosted: Mon, 2nd Apr 2012 17:07    Post subject:
So im thinking about buying a ipad 3 tomorrow so my question is. Will i be able to jailbreak it and add files and such as i like? i like to read comics and such so it would be nice to install a comic reader app and put in the comic files myself, and i also wouldnt mind downloading games from wbb and adding them to the ipad. I know this is doable with galaxy tab, but i already have a galaxy s2 so i would like access to a different market also.
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PostPosted: Mon, 2nd Apr 2012 17:30    Post subject:
No JB yet. As this is new hardware, no one can really tell when a JB will be available... Sad
But I think there are still some readers out there for comics, I think Stanza is still there and up to that.


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PostPosted: Mon, 2nd Apr 2012 18:43    Post subject:
well, the device has already been jailbroken. apparently there's multiple exploits, but it can still be a while until a public jb tool will be released.

@Stormwolf: you can put files on it without a jailbreak. i load my stuff through dropbox.


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PostPosted: Mon, 2nd Apr 2012 21:54    Post subject:
okok, thanks murgo. Looking forward to buying it now! Hope the date they said they would get restocked is correct now Razz
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PostPosted: Wed, 4th Apr 2012 09:56    Post subject:
Seems there's some serious panel lottery going on. Fair amount of users reporting getting iPads with lowered brightness+contrast and a yellow hue across the screen. Maybe that's how they're trying to solve the availability problem, using cheaper panels.

Edit: after reading some more, lots of dead pixels as well. Getting replacements is next to impossible obviously, out of the few that did get one there's been some that got a malfunctioning one even the second time.

The yellow tint seems to come from a shit backlight, apparently there's a fair amount of backlight bleeding at the bottom, resulting in the top half looking yellowish.
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PostPosted: Wed, 4th Apr 2012 12:17    Post subject:
Couldn't those people just buy an Apple Care Plan and then make instant replacement with that?


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PostPosted: Wed, 4th Apr 2012 12:21    Post subject:
guess i got lucky then. my ipad has no backlight bleeding, no dead pixels and no yellow hue.
i thought apple chose samsung as the lone display manufacturer for the new ipad, because LG and others didn't match the quality requirements.


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PostPosted: Wed, 4th Apr 2012 12:44    Post subject:
bringiton wrote:
Couldn't those people just buy an Apple Care Plan and then make instant replacement with that?

Hard to get a replacement when Apple can't even fulfill their orders. There's still thousands waiting on their pre-orders Smile

murgo wrote:
guess i got lucky then. my ipad has no backlight bleeding, no dead pixels and no yellow hue.
i thought apple chose samsung as the lone display manufacturer for the new ipad, because LG and others didn't match the quality requirements.

They're using Samsung, LG and Sharp - or will be, once LG and Sharp get their yields high enough. Haven't seen a teardown of a bad unit yet, but I can't imagine LG or Sharp not meeting Apple's quality requirements; the display in the iPhones and previous iPads weren't top of the bill apart from the resolution in the iPhone 4(S). Apple's quality standards really aren't as high as some people think (just look at their monitors, those panels are inferior to the panels used in Dell/Eizo monitors that cost half as much).

Samsung is also the most notorious for panel lottery, with LG coming second. Sharp is nowhere near them, very little variation with their displays (at least in recent history).
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PostPosted: Wed, 4th Apr 2012 13:06    Post subject:
Apple always keep a stock for replacements, you wouldn't have a problem getting it replaced on the spot at a store


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PostPosted: Wed, 4th Apr 2012 13:16    Post subject:
Yes you would, depending on the model. The more expensive models you may get lucky, but both the "4G" (not true 4G btw, good thing I don't care about that Very Happy) and regular 16GB models (both colours) are completely out of stock, even at Apple themselves online (2 week waiting period). The real Apple Store they opened in Amsterdam recently with all the big fuss has 0 stock on those, neither does any MediaMarkt or MyCom here in NL (which are their 2 big partners here).
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PostPosted: Wed, 4th Apr 2012 15:57    Post subject:
gonna stay with the ipad2 after reading all this negative stuff.
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PostPosted: Wed, 4th Apr 2012 20:38    Post subject:
glad i won the lottery Very Happy


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PostPosted: Thu, 5th Apr 2012 11:56    Post subject:
Also WiFi problems it seems: http://9to5mac.com/2012/04/04/apple-investigating-new-ipad-wifi-issues-tells-applecare-to-replace-affected-units/

Seems Apple did what ASUS did with the Prime: rush to get it out and drop the ball on some aspects.
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PostPosted: Thu, 5th Apr 2012 15:14    Post subject:
yeah, that is the same problem i had with all 3 primes. my ipad's wifi works fine though. at least apple is acknowledging the issue, whereas asus claims that only the gps is affected by the aluminum backplate.

edit: just did a quick speedtest on the balcony. with the prime, i got about 0.5-1 mbit there.. the ipad managed 8-9 just now.


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PostPosted: Thu, 5th Apr 2012 18:33    Post subject:
murgo wrote:
yeah, that is the same problem i had with all 3 primes. my ipad's wifi works fine though. at least apple is acknowledging the issue, whereas asus claims that only the gps is affected by the aluminum backplate.

edit: just did a quick speedtest on the balcony. with the prime, i got about 0.5-1 mbit there.. the ipad managed 8-9 just now.

ASUS did acknowledge the issues, dunno what you're on about. Thing is that somehow your retailer (because I'm assuming you didn't actually ship directly to ASUS, don't think that's even possible) gave you 3 of the bad revisions in a row (in other words: they suck). There's been 2 revisions since the release and both have their WiFi antennas relocated slightly.
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