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 Posted: Mon, 2nd Apr 2012 18:57 Post subject: |
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So i headed to theyre Facebook page, and in logic no emotional way i described my concerns about game turning into Pay2Win game with a lot of logic reasons, and i got blocked and my post got removed... Another Derp game that is money hungry and want to just make milions no matter what. Another piece of garbage that pretends to be "something".
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| Posted: Mon, 2nd Apr 2012 18:58 Post subject: |
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| K0tY wrote: | | So i headed to theyre Facebook page, and in logic no emotional way i described my concerns about game turning into Pay2Win game with a lot of logic reasons, and i got blocked and my post got removed... Another Derp game that is money hungry and want to just make milions no matter what. Another piece of garbage that pretends to be "something". |
See, the problem is that you for some reason actually think it is Pay2Win. Which it isn't. So I don't see why you're complaining.
It's pretty much the best FPS in years.
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| Posted: Mon, 2nd Apr 2012 19:04 Post subject: |
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| dezztroy wrote: | | K0tY wrote: | | So i headed to theyre Facebook page, and in logic no emotional way i described my concerns about game turning into Pay2Win game with a lot of logic reasons, and i got blocked and my post got removed... Another Derp game that is money hungry and want to just make milions no matter what. Another piece of garbage that pretends to be "something". |
See, the problem is that you for some reason actually think it is Pay2Win. Which it isn't. So I don't see why you're complaining.
It's pretty much the best FPS in years. |
It is Pay2Win, few reason as i do not want to make another lenghty post that will be ignored/deleted. 1. New comers are bashed by every other player ingame, why ? Because they have better weapons/EQ, that would not be the problem if they were actually PROs but instead they payed money for that game and now just have best Explo weapons that does not require skill to aim, or anything at all, just spam and win.
2. 50%+ of all weapons just explode and do huge AOE that kills you on 1-2 shots with no reload time, and those are locked for new comers/cost huge ammount of XPs to open, or ofc "money/gold".
3. OP classes that when you buy them and spend money on every upgrade, simply own everything everywhere.
4. XPs as a possible currency ingame, without spending ANY money on this game you simply CANT buy anything in first 50-100 matched, as you cant get more than 1-2K XPs from game when you WIN as a newcomer.
That is just few from a lot of reasons.
Casuals should never have advantage over those who can spend more time on game no matter what, thats just how world works...
This game is basicaly a huge Sellout and clearly a easy way how to leech money from people from psychological way. Nobody wants to loose 50-100 games and unlock nothing and improve in no way whats so ever.
PS: Dont be a blind fanboi and look at the situation from different side.
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| Posted: Mon, 2nd Apr 2012 19:15 Post subject: |
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Of course they want to make money but they still offer you the hard and free way. Take it or leave it.
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| Posted: Mon, 2nd Apr 2012 19:19 Post subject: |
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| K0tY wrote: | | dezztroy wrote: | | K0tY wrote: | | So i headed to theyre Facebook page, and in logic no emotional way i described my concerns about game turning into Pay2Win game with a lot of logic reasons, and i got blocked and my post got removed... Another Derp game that is money hungry and want to just make milions no matter what. Another piece of garbage that pretends to be "something". |
See, the problem is that you for some reason actually think it is Pay2Win. Which it isn't. So I don't see why you're complaining.
It's pretty much the best FPS in years. |
It is Pay2Win, few reason as i do not want to make another lenghty post that will be ignored/deleted. 1. New comers are bashed by every other player ingame, why ? Because they have better weapons/EQ, that would not be the problem if they were actually PROs but instead they payed money for that game and now just have best Explo weapons that does not require skill to aim, or anything at all, just spam and win.
2. 50%+ of all weapons just explode and do huge AOE that kills you on 1-2 shots with no reload time, and those are locked for new comers/cost huge ammount of XPs to open, or ofc "money/gold".
3. OP classes that when you buy them and spend money on every upgrade, simply own everything everywhere.
4. XPs as a possible currency ingame, without spending ANY money on this game you simply CANT buy anything in first 50-100 matched, as you cant get more than 1-2K XPs from game when you WIN as a newcomer.
That is just few from a lot of reasons.
Casuals should never have advantage over those who can spend more time on game no matter what, thats just how world works...
This game is basicaly a huge Sellout and clearly a easy way how to leech money from people from psychological way. Nobody wants to loose 50-100 games and unlock nothing and improve in no way whats so ever.
PS: Dont be a blind fanboi and look at the situation from different side. |
2/3 starter weapons are explosive (and one of them the strongest weapon in the game damage wise).
What classes are OP? You start with three very multirole classes. Getting new classes doesn't give you anything better, it gives you something more specialized. I barely play anything other than Pathfinder.
A skilled player will kill anything with the Pathfinder and his spinfusor. Despite what you for some reason think, money doesn't buy you skill, practice does. Just like every other game you pay 60€ for.
A skilled player will also easily be able to upgrade his stuff after every match.
It's a "huge sellout" because they don't easily give you the whole game for free? Really?
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| Posted: Mon, 2nd Apr 2012 19:30 Post subject: |
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@K0tY
How long have you played the game? What rank are you?
No offense, but you obviously have no idea what you are talking about. Those "explo weapons that require no skills to aim and do huge AOE dmg" you described are not in my game, every weapon in this game requires some amount of skill to use effectively. Some require less, some require more.
I can bet you any money that a skilled rank 1 (lowest rank) player with just the disc launcher can kill a fully equiped "paid" newbie player any day, with ease.
This game requires SKILLS to win, not GOLD.
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| Posted: Mon, 2nd Apr 2012 19:43 Post subject: |
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| PumpAction wrote: | | Of course they want to make money but they still offer you the hard and free way. Take it or leave it. |
I know there is the hard way, but whoever takes the hard way will get burned and at the end will spend money on the game.
| kouga wrote: | @K0tY
How long have you played the game? What rank are you?
No offense, but you obviously have no idea what you are talking about. Those "explo weapons that require no skills to aim and do huge AOE dmg" you described are not in my game, every weapon in this game requires some amount of skill to use effectively. Some require less, some require more.
I can bet you any money that a skilled rank 1 (lowest rank) player with just the disc launcher can kill a fully equiped "paid" newbie player any day, with ease.
This game requires SKILLS to win, not GOLD. |
Wrong, lets take this example.
2 absolutely new players. One a newcomer with nothing and everything default. Second Payed all money for every upgrade and is not Infiltrator with full Explo set. First player (Newcomer) is Pro at FPSs, but still limited by default set. Second player is a casual FPS player that does not have limit in EQ/Weapons/Classes. First can Aim decently, second one can spam nades from invisibility and destroy first player from stealth before he can know what hit him.
Balance ? Never heard about that.
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| Posted: Mon, 2nd Apr 2012 19:52 Post subject: |
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| K0tY wrote: | | PumpAction wrote: | | Of course they want to make money but they still offer you the hard and free way. Take it or leave it. |
I know there is the hard way, but whoever takes the hard way will get burned and at the end will spend money on the game.
| kouga wrote: | @K0tY
How long have you played the game? What rank are you?
No offense, but you obviously have no idea what you are talking about. Those "explo weapons that require no skills to aim and do huge AOE dmg" you described are not in my game, every weapon in this game requires some amount of skill to use effectively. Some require less, some require more.
I can bet you any money that a skilled rank 1 (lowest rank) player with just the disc launcher can kill a fully equiped "paid" newbie player any day, with ease.
This game requires SKILLS to win, not GOLD. |
Wrong, lets take this example.
2 absolutely new players. One a newcomer with nothing and everything default. Second Payed all money for every upgrade and is not Infiltrator with full Explo set. First player (Newcomer) is Pro at FPSs, but still limited by default set. Second player is a casual FPS player that does not have limit in EQ/Weapons/Classes. First can Aim decently, second one can spam nades from invisibility and destroy first player from stealth before he can know what hit him.
Balance ? Never heard about that. |
You do realize that you can't buy upgrades for gold (real money), right? Might wanna get your facts straight before you rant about sometihng.
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| Posted: Mon, 2nd Apr 2012 19:57 Post subject: |
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| dezztroy wrote: | | K0tY wrote: | | PumpAction wrote: | | Of course they want to make money but they still offer you the hard and free way. Take it or leave it. |
I know there is the hard way, but whoever takes the hard way will get burned and at the end will spend money on the game.
| kouga wrote: | @K0tY
How long have you played the game? What rank are you?
No offense, but you obviously have no idea what you are talking about. Those "explo weapons that require no skills to aim and do huge AOE dmg" you described are not in my game, every weapon in this game requires some amount of skill to use effectively. Some require less, some require more.
I can bet you any money that a skilled rank 1 (lowest rank) player with just the disc launcher can kill a fully equiped "paid" newbie player any day, with ease.
This game requires SKILLS to win, not GOLD. |
Wrong, lets take this example.
2 absolutely new players. One a newcomer with nothing and everything default. Second Payed all money for every upgrade and is not Infiltrator with full Explo set. First player (Newcomer) is Pro at FPSs, but still limited by default set. Second player is a casual FPS player that does not have limit in EQ/Weapons/Classes. First can Aim decently, second one can spam nades from invisibility and destroy first player from stealth before he can know what hit him.
Balance ? Never heard about that. |
You do realize that you can't buy upgrades for gold (real money), right? Might wanna get your facts straight before you rant about sometihng. |
You can get " EQ/Weapons/Classes" for Gold, read before you make assumption.
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| Posted: Mon, 2nd Apr 2012 20:01 Post subject: |
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| K0tY wrote: | | dezztroy wrote: | | K0tY wrote: |
I know there is the hard way, but whoever takes the hard way will get burned and at the end will spend money on the game.
Wrong, lets take this example.
2 absolutely new players. One a newcomer with nothing and everything default. Second Payed all money for every upgrade and is not Infiltrator with full Explo set. First player (Newcomer) is Pro at FPSs, but still limited by default set. Second player is a casual FPS player that does not have limit in EQ/Weapons/Classes. First can Aim decently, second one can spam nades from invisibility and destroy first player from stealth before he can know what hit him.
Balance ? Never heard about that. |
You do realize that you can't buy upgrades for gold (real money), right? Might wanna get your facts straight before you rant about sometihng. |
You can get " EQ/Weapons/Classes" for Gold, read before you make assumption. |
You talking to yourself? "Second Payed all money for every upgrade"
Again, the other weapons are not "better". They're different. The only one that is better right now is the Thumper, but that'll probably change before release.
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| Posted: Mon, 2nd Apr 2012 20:03 Post subject: |
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| dezztroy wrote: | | K0tY wrote: | | dezztroy wrote: |
You do realize that you can't buy upgrades for gold (real money), right? Might wanna get your facts straight before you rant about sometihng. |
You can get " EQ/Weapons/Classes" for Gold, read before you make assumption. |
You talking to yourself? "Second Payed all money for every upgrade"
Again, the other weapons are not "better". They're different. The only one that is better right now is the Thumper, but that'll probably change before release. |
Upgrade to your class does not mean Upgrade to your "Items", i never sayd that, he payed for every item he can "optain", thus making him "stronger" as most of the unlocks are "explo" weapons for nearly all class.
PS: I dont want to argue about everything i say. I made good points in few ways, if you dont believe so you have your own opinion i honor that, but dont try to change my mind with your no logical/no real evidence stuff. So i will just leave this thread and wont reply on this matter.
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| Posted: Mon, 2nd Apr 2012 20:14 Post subject: |
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Oh my... can you be more narrow-minded than this?!
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| Posted: Mon, 2nd Apr 2012 20:27 Post subject: |
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| K0tY wrote: | | dezztroy wrote: | | K0tY wrote: |
You can get " EQ/Weapons/Classes" for Gold, read before you make assumption. |
You talking to yourself? "Second Payed all money for every upgrade"
Again, the other weapons are not "better". They're different. The only one that is better right now is the Thumper, but that'll probably change before release. |
Upgrade to your class does not mean Upgrade to your "Items", i never sayd that, he payed for every item he can "optain", thus making him "stronger" as most of the unlocks are "explo" weapons for nearly all class.
PS: I dont want to argue about everything i say. I made good points in few ways, if you dont believe so you have your own opinion i honor that, but dont try to change my mind with your no logical/no real evidence stuff. So i will just leave this thread and wont reply on this matter. |
Yep, I'm the one not being rational. Definitely.
As I already said, 2/3 starter weapons are explosive. And both are also very good.
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| Posted: Mon, 2nd Apr 2012 20:40 Post subject: |
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Is there any - reliable - way to prevent people from high speed grabbing your flag? (on most maps) It's next to impossible to hit some one skiing basically through your flag at 5000 km/h.
I have yet to unlock more classes and such (since I'm not gonna pay for any of it)
| sabin1981 wrote: | Now you're just arguing semantics. Getting fucked in the ass with a broom stale is an "improvement" over getting stabbed in the eye with a fork  |
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| Posted: Mon, 2nd Apr 2012 20:42 Post subject: |
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The XP required for the classes themselves is not a lot. Not all of the unlockables are good for everyone either; certainly none of them are ANY better than ANY of the standard weapons. Simple example is bolt launcher versus light spinfusor. They differ in damage, projectile speed, aoe range and knockback, but even out overall (bolt launcher requires better aim and as such does slightly more damage if you do hit properly). If I take the raider for example, I actually prefer the arx buster over the grenade launcher.
Another example is the thrust pack versus energy pack (I mainly play pathfinder if you hadn't realised it yet  ). The thrust pack is highly situational and especially as a beginning player you'll want that energy pack. I've played enough pathfinder to now put my thrust pack to good use, but I still only use it in very specific and often extreme circumstances (thrusting towards a dropped flag, quick dodges etcetera). A beginning player wouldn't nor could use it in such a manner.
This game is one of the few where the balance is almost perfect, with the exception of the infiltrators with this patch, the Jackal is just ridiculous.
Edit @ reklis: body blocks (or use a doombringer and get some shields up - a shield instakills me at the speeds I grab at, even when only my legs touch it). Use the game's collision model. And it's perfectly possible to hit someone coming in at 200+, because they're always coming in in a straight line 
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| Posted: Mon, 2nd Apr 2012 21:06 Post subject: |
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As Werelds said, grab a Heavy and just sit on the flag. If they're damaged, they'll likely die from the impact.
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Werelds
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| Posted: Mon, 2nd Apr 2012 22:12 Post subject: |
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Have you now? Hadn't even noticed 
Do you use the same name in-game?
Also, you guys should join TS if you see any of us online. The past few days Lathieza and I have found it to be absolutely invaluable, even more so than in BF3. It's so damn good for timing flag grabs etcetera 
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| Posted: Mon, 2nd Apr 2012 23:23 Post subject: |
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One of these days I'll be back Paul, I promise
Recently I've been "busy" with csgo, bf3 and Path of Exile, not to mention the dozens of sp games that I'm desperately try to finish
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| Posted: Tue, 3rd Apr 2012 18:44 Post subject: |
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just had a 99% sure cheater in game, name Butch33
joins game in progress 1/3 done.
gets 57 kills, ALL with the little mg from the raider (blue pulse thingy).
near or 100% accuracy , no matter his or your speed etc, always hit hit hit.
Other players kept defending him like it was their saint or something ... (nobody knew him tho, they just kept saying "no , he legit man" ... morons)
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| Posted: Tue, 3rd Apr 2012 19:23 Post subject: |
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yeah i knew there were cheats, what bothered me, was the total ignorance of the other players.
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| Posted: Wed, 4th Apr 2012 22:22 Post subject: |
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Someone please let me in on the major magic secret at how NOT to suck at this game?
There's "I suck but I'm still having a blast" and there is "I suck so bad I can't hit jack shit and it's getting frustrating as all hell".
Guess which category I'm stuck in? ;_;
| sabin1981 wrote: | | Now you're just arguing semantics. Getting fucked in the ass with a broom stale is an "improvement" over getting stabbed in the eye with a fork |
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| Posted: Wed, 4th Apr 2012 22:31 Post subject: |
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What are you having problems with? It mostly depend on what role you play.
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| Posted: Wed, 4th Apr 2012 23:16 Post subject: |
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If you come from a CS/CSS/COD/BF background, get out of the habit of aiming for your target. Instead, aim for their future
Shooting at high speeds just takes practice, because projectiles are affected by your speed as well.
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| Posted: Wed, 4th Apr 2012 23:57 Post subject: |
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Also most of the time you have weapons that cause AoE/splash damage, so you should take advantage of that and be patient enough to fire when enemy is close to the ground. Of course you could get Blue Plate Special (award for hitting with a projectile weapon in mid-air) but unless you are extremely skilled with using those weapons it's matter of luck and you won't be getting them that often. I tend to switch to my secondary/sidearm like shotgun to damage the opponent in midair.
Anyway I don't encounter too many enemies in open field. The only time I am in the open is when I have a Brute to snipe off turrets/sensors or juggernaut when I mortar the enemy flag stand from a hill afar. In those cases when enemies want to defend they use most of their energy to get to you, so it's often quite easy to deal with them because they don't have much energy left to fly around.
When I play a pathfinder I tend to ignore enemies unless I chase enemy capper, so it's more about the movement to keep up with the opponent and timing nitro nades well.
As for other classes, I don't know as I'm only playing pathfinder and all heavy classes until I unlock more stuff for ther classes.
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