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I guess you noticed it has a TN panel, but I'd still try and find some place to see for it myself before just ordering one blindly.
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| Posted: Thu, 1st Dec 2011 09:02 Post subject: |
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yeah i havent heard great things about it, but at the same time i know you get what you pay for, and the main thing about this is that its certainly cheap 
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| Posted: Thu, 1st Dec 2011 09:57 Post subject: |
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don't bother considering 60hz refresh for 3D, it doesn't look quite as nice and everything looks much better in 120hz anyway.
i have the.
http://www.amazon.com/VG236H-23-Inch-Monitor-nVidia-Vision/dp/B003V4AK2K
and it looks pretty damn awesome, they sell both a bundle and non with and without the glasses last i checked, i think i found it locally for around $300 something.
even if you don't like 3D honestly 120 frames a second hardware cap is so worth it.
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| Posted: Thu, 1st Dec 2011 14:44 Post subject: |
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For 3d gaming it's not up there with the other monitors + nvidias kit.
I have not tried this passive yet but from all reviews it's just not where it's at.
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| Posted: Thu, 1st Dec 2011 16:27 Post subject: |
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Passive 3D is at half the vertical resolution, as far as I know, so it won't do for gaming. Basically this monitor has a passive 3D HDTV functionality. This is different from the 120Hz dual linked DVI 3D monitors, that output 3D at 1080p.
Then there's an issue with passive tech, where lines (part of how passive 3D is implemented) become visible if you are too close. On TVs it matters less, since you normally sit farther away from the screen, but I was always skeptical about how good this is for the monitors.
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| Posted: Fri, 2nd Dec 2011 08:36 Post subject: |
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yah ok thanks guys i think its pretty clear.
cheap monitor is cheap 3D is not for me at this time then 
plus nvidias 3d vision has now apparently been 'improved' to version 2 so i guess ill wait until those become available here as well.
thnx for the feedback.
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| Posted: Fri, 2nd Dec 2011 09:19 Post subject: |
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The revision is only about the glasses becoming slightly bigger and blocking out ambient light and the "certified" monitors increasing gamma levels. The monitors themselves are still shit as ever.
LG should be bringing their Cinema 3D "v2" to monitors soon; right now it's still the old one, which means 540 lines per eye for a 1080p image. Their new version does 4 frames instead of 2; 540 even and uneven for each eye, so that's a proper 1080p output.
Everyone can say what they want, but active shutter is just aweful. Restless image and I actually get a headache from it when using it too long. The "old" passive 3D from LG works well, but you do notice that it's not proper full HD; I haven't had a chance to try the new version out yet. On top of that, all of the monitors certified for 3D Vision are just terrible on most other fronts like any other average TN piece of crap. Shit colours, terrible contrast, horrible black levels. The LG above is crap as well; their W2363D still has the Cinema 3D drawbacks, but in 2D mode it's actually a bit better than most. Colours are still shit as ever (yay, TN panel) but its black levels are above average for 3D, as is contrast. I believe Breezer has one of them, he can tell you how good it is.
I also haven't kept tabs on the A750/A950 models from Samsung, as I feel that they're too expensive for what they offer, so I don't know if they're any better than most when it comes to 3D.
Fact is, 3D on PC's is still bad; monitors are always a generation behind on TV's and because it's a buzzword, you pay a massive premium for it. Active shutter is outdated (a lot of people get much more severe headaches from it than I do), apart from NVIDIA noone is bothering with it anymore - they haven't for a long time. Things aren't steaming ahead as quick as I thought they would, but either way 3D is a waste of time in PC monitors right now.
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| Posted: Fri, 2nd Dec 2011 10:01 Post subject: |
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k cool, ill give it a miss for now.
and yeah i was never a fan of active shutter...
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| Posted: Fri, 2nd Dec 2011 15:01 Post subject: |
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he's just a hater.
The 3d is actually awesome. monitors are not IPS level but the vast majority will find them v good.
The glasses Don't feel uncomfortable on me t all and never experienced any headache. though I will admit I have not worn them for over a hour at a time as I don't tend to game for hours on end with no break.
if you do experience side effects like headaches its most likely fixed by some adjustments. there is a ton of info on this on the NV forums.
Here is a review of BenQ's older 3d model that isn't regarded as the best in the 3d monitor department.
But it's a fair and informed review and should give you a far better idea than. "TN is crap"
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/benq_xl2410t.htm
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| Posted: Fri, 2nd Dec 2011 15:01 Post subject: |
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...phone double posted....
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| Posted: Fri, 2nd Dec 2011 16:12 Post subject: |
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Yeah I know Breezer, but that's my whole point. Better panels *are* coming, it's just taking longer than I expected it to. No matter how you twist and turn it, TN is just inferior on every front apart from the fact that there's proper 120Hz panels for monitors. On "regular" 60Hz monitors there's no reason to go TN at all; there are tons of cheap IPS monitors that have the same response times as their "2ms" TN counterparts, but are better in every other way. If you look at how TV's have changed over the past year and a half, that's what we can expect for monitors.
You have the W2363D btw right?
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| Posted: Fri, 2nd Dec 2011 16:37 Post subject: |
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Well, most people don't need or know better. I had found my Samsung 710T quite pleasing at some point, until I had an HDTV sitting right next to it.
They are not crap by themselves, but they are crap comparatively speaking 
But to each his own, which is why, as was mentioned, one must see for himself before deciding.
I am quite picky about my black levels, so I don't even like my IPS monitor when I compare it to the PVA based HDTV in that regard, but it is still a huge improvement over the TN one standing right next to it.
I am sure a 120Hz screen looks smoother and I'd love to have one myself. Not much to choose from just yet though.
As for headache, didn't get any of those, but there's no way around the fact that eyestrain is significantly increased with active shutter and it's something you will feel. Have at it long enough and you are bound to feel like crap by the end of the session.
The best bit is when you look at the screen for some 40 minutes and then quickly glance at something not through the lenses: feels like somebody smacks you in the eyes
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| Posted: Fri, 2nd Dec 2011 16:39 Post subject: |
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Tbh for gaming 120hz is absolutely a must buy, if your hardware can run games at high FPS. For anything else IPS and shit.
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| Slizza wrote: | Also most headaches are caused by bad 3d implementation or timing sync between the monitor and glasses.
There are many known areas and fix's if you care to check the 3d forum @ nvidia.
note: i have not had to fix any headache related problems myself so i'm going on the word of the many gamers over there that have said there headache problem with certain games etc has been stopped with fix's. |
Trust me, that's really not the only problem. The nature of active shutter is as if you're looking directly into a strobe light. You find a flickering fluorescent lamp annoying as well right? Well technically, that is exactly what you see with active shutter and how much it affects you depends on your physique. My vision is fine, never had nor needed glasses, but we do have (well, had) a couple of epileptics in the family. It's likely that all of us have it in some way, which is why I find flickering light (and thus active shutter) tiring. It's not uncommon, a lot of people hate flickering lights
I'm sure that it's fucked in some games, but that's not what I'm talking about. Like I said, some people can't deal with polarised 3D either. Some people can't deal with fulldome video. Welcome to the wonderful world of the human body 
As for your other points: you may not think colour accuracy is important, but it does in fact make a difference for IQ. Whether you give a damn or not is another matter. I personally think it does. And if like me and many others, you use your monitor for both gaming and work, it's most certainly worth it.
| Breezer_ wrote: | | Yeah bought it when it came. Got very nice panel from panel lottery (pretty much no backlight bleeding at all) which is rare for TN panels. Also pretty good colors after calibration. |
Heh same thing here, my W2253V is the original model with AUO panel instead of the later W2253V-PF with Philips panel 
Less to do with lottery than with me buying it right after release though 
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