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Kaltern
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 Posted: Thu, 27th Oct 2011 22:49 Post subject: |
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I just get the feeling people seem to want it to be a twitch fighting game with lightsabers... which obviously won't work very well as an MMO...
I am curious as to the endgame content though...
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| Posted: Thu, 27th Oct 2011 23:03 Post subject: |
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It's almost certainly not twitchy in any way. But then again, neither was KotOR. As long as they've managed to make combat interesting and reasonably engaging - I'll be happy with it. I don't think twitch combat is possible in an MMO without sacrificing too many other vital things.
WoW was the perfect mixture of twitch and massively multiplayer to me in terms of the combat. Anything else, and you'd have to reduce the amount of players in the same area and the amount of stuff they could do.
The endgame content? Yeah, I expect it to be like most other MMOs. Raids and a few PvP zones. Nothing too special. I think the game is largely focused around the story and the replayability due to multiple starting planets.
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| Posted: Thu, 27th Oct 2011 23:04 Post subject: |
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| Kaltern wrote: | Ok, I can't figure out the sudden hate towards the game...
People saying it's a grind/quest bore, where you kill x of these, get x item take it back to y, etc etc. Yet surely the original KOTOR were pretty much the same thing? Combat is pretty much the same idea (auto attack, special skills etc), and questing is the same idea (run around, kill lots, find items, take back to quest giver, etc)
And those two games are hailed as SW RPG legends.
Sooo... someone explain what is so bad about SWTOR? |
Theres a few snags with your post, first, the KotOR games were single player games, which you didnt need to pay monthly for... they had a clear story with a start, middle and end.
Second, combat in this game is nothing even remotely like KotOR, its not even like WoW as it doesnt have an auto-attack.
Mainly, people were expecting this to be a scifi epic mmorpg, and all they got for their trouble was WoW 2.0 with an on-rails space mini game added on. Thats my biggest complaint. 
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| Posted: Thu, 27th Oct 2011 23:09 Post subject: |
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| Casus wrote: | It's almost certainly not twitchy in any way. But then again, neither was KotOR. As long as they've managed to make combat interesting and reasonably engaging - I'll be happy with it. I don't think twitch combat is possible in an MMO without sacrificing too many other vital things.
WoW was the perfect mixture of twitch and massively multiplayer to me in terms of the combat. Anything else, and you'd have to reduce the amount of players in the same area and the amount of stuff they could do.
The endgame content? Yeah, I expect it to be like most other MMOs. Raids and a few PvP zones. Nothing too special. I think the game is largely focused around the story and the replayability due to multiple starting planets. |
You have several western mmo´s with twitch combat, Dungeons and Dragons Online and Darkfall to name just 2. Eastern ones you have a numch of them.
So no, its not impossible, just not what people are used to.
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Kaltern
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| Posted: Thu, 27th Oct 2011 23:10 Post subject: |
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| Kem0sabe wrote: | | Kaltern wrote: | Ok, I can't figure out the sudden hate towards the game...
People saying it's a grind/quest bore, where you kill x of these, get x item take it back to y, etc etc. Yet surely the original KOTOR were pretty much the same thing? Combat is pretty much the same idea (auto attack, special skills etc), and questing is the same idea (run around, kill lots, find items, take back to quest giver, etc)
And those two games are hailed as SW RPG legends.
Sooo... someone explain what is so bad about SWTOR? |
Theres a few snags with your post, first, the KotOR games were single player games, which you didnt need to pay monthly for... they had a clear story with a start, middle and end.
Second, combat in this game is nothing even remotely like KotOR, its not even like WoW as it doesnt have an auto-attack.
Mainly, people were expecting this to be a scifi epic mmorpg, and all they got for their trouble was WoW 2.0 with an on-rails space mini game added on. Thats my biggest complaint. |
I still have some problems with this combat thing?
KOTOR - Auto-attack, choose special attacks/force powers/heal during combat.
SWTOR - No auto attack(?), choose special attacks/force powers/healing items.
Ok, you can't directly control your companion, but that's the only obvious difference I see...
I agree about the space thing tho... 
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| Posted: Thu, 27th Oct 2011 23:15 Post subject: |
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| Kem0sabe wrote: | | Casus wrote: | It's almost certainly not twitchy in any way. But then again, neither was KotOR. As long as they've managed to make combat interesting and reasonably engaging - I'll be happy with it. I don't think twitch combat is possible in an MMO without sacrificing too many other vital things.
WoW was the perfect mixture of twitch and massively multiplayer to me in terms of the combat. Anything else, and you'd have to reduce the amount of players in the same area and the amount of stuff they could do.
The endgame content? Yeah, I expect it to be like most other MMOs. Raids and a few PvP zones. Nothing too special. I think the game is largely focused around the story and the replayability due to multiple starting planets. |
You have several western mmo´s with twitch combat, Dungeons and Dragons Online and Darkfall to name just 2. Eastern ones you have a numch of them.
So no, its not impossible, just not what people are used to. |
I didn't say it was impossible. I said it would mean sacrificing vital things.
DDO is 100% instance-based and you can't have a lot of people in the same one fighting. Darkfall is a small-time MMO from an indie developer that looks and plays like shit. Well, that's what I think about it, anyway.
That's not to say that Darkfall doesn't have some good points, but overall it's just not worth playing to me. If you find the combat of Darkfall appealing - then let's just say we differ in our tastes. Twitch-based? Ok, I guess - but executed in an abysmal way with the most stilted and awkward animations I can imagine.
Even as a tab-target combat system, the one in SWtoR is bound to decimate Darkfall in a million ways before breakfast. Anything said to the contrary is denial.
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| Posted: Sat, 29th Oct 2011 12:18 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Sat, 29th Oct 2011 13:27 Post subject: |
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I like how in most SciFi RPGs technological advancement is a foreign concept and most of the time a hundred year old lost weapon is the deciding factor in a war.
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| Posted: Wed, 9th Nov 2011 13:30 Post subject: |
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Finally, got an e-mail to beta test this over the weekend. Not sure how much I'll try it out considering I'll be playing Skyrim but all it will take is 30 min or less for me to decide if this game is worth playing at all. Combat smoothness / animations make or break these games for me; after all, that's what you spend most of your time doing (other than afking in cities).
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Kaltern
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| Posted: Thu, 10th Nov 2011 19:44 Post subject: |
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Yay! Invited in beta too, now need to download 30gb client like 1 day :/
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| Posted: Thu, 10th Nov 2011 20:19 Post subject: |
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| Revan6999 wrote: | | I like how in most SciFi RPGs technological advancement is a foreign concept and most of the time a hundred year old lost weapon is the deciding factor in a war. |
I never understood how TOR is set thousands of years before the star wars trilogy and yet the technology seemed exactly the same.
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| Posted: Fri, 11th Nov 2011 22:35 Post subject: |
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| Stormwolf wrote: | Just my luck. Got selected to participate on the beta, but the site is down for maintenance 
I wouldn't normally mind, but this is surely a huge download and will take time, so this is a shitty inconvenience. |
yes same here, fucking doobs! |
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| Posted: Fri, 11th Nov 2011 22:42 Post subject: |
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I don't think it's this weekend, but a weekend closer to the end of the month from what i read, and everyone that pre-ordered got invited. Some websites are giving beta keys.
http://www.swtor.com/news/news-article/20111111-0
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| Posted: Fri, 11th Nov 2011 22:43 Post subject: |
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Where the fuckity fuck is the beta info, im in my account and i see nothing pertaining to the invite or where to grab the client..
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| Posted: Fri, 11th Nov 2011 22:47 Post subject: |
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| moosenoodles wrote: | | Where the fuckity fuck is the beta info, im in my account and i see nothing pertaining to the invite or where to grab the client.. |
I think it was just a heads up. The real invite with beta key is yet to come.
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| Posted: Fri, 11th Nov 2011 22:49 Post subject: |
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| Pl@tinum wrote: | | moosenoodles wrote: | | Where the fuckity fuck is the beta info, im in my account and i see nothing pertaining to the invite or where to grab the client.. |
I think it was just a heads up. The real invite with beta key is yet to come. |
odd on the forums those that got same maile "you have been invited" etc etc, are talking about 40% client dl done etc etc and so are others.. then you got mixed in with like "my question", where what how fuck what? etc about the client..
seems odd. pfft
no idea where those others are leeching from though, anyhow mail does say i guess.
"Additional details for this upcoming test will be announced soon." dicks.. |
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| Posted: Fri, 11th Nov 2011 22:58 Post subject: |
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are people still buying beta-accounts? 
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Now, I don't know what hardware costs in Poland, I guess it's cheaper because everything is stolen from Germany and resold... |
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| Posted: Fri, 11th Nov 2011 23:02 Post subject: |
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| Stormwolf wrote: | I think we need to start reading our emails more properly  |
could not agree more  |
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Kaltern
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| Posted: Fri, 11th Nov 2011 23:08 Post subject: |
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BTW, anyone who signed up before the 11th gets a key for the next weekend event.
I don't feel very special now.
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Kaltern
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| Posted: Sat, 12th Nov 2011 09:34 Post subject: |
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Got an invite, dont remember my password and it wont send me a new one lol... hooray eh..
*edit* still no email.......just my luck
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| Posted: Sat, 12th Nov 2011 19:24 Post subject: |
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I signed up for ToR beta test in 2009. And even now, when EVERYONE is getting invited to test it, I didn't get any invite >_>
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| Posted: Sun, 13th Nov 2011 10:36 Post subject: |
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I got invited as well... Starts next weekend, or?
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