My girlfriend and I were out walking in the countryside, and as you do we started talking about suicide Anyway we got into a bit of a debate. The basis being:
If you were in a remote place and saw a person(s) attempting to top themselves would you stop it? I said "it depends on the circumstances" if the persons concerned were adults and neither were being restrained/forced in any way, then no I would not stop them and walk by. If a child were involved then yes of course I would.
I have always believed our lives are ours to do with what we choose, including ending it if we want.
And yeah, I think I would try to help. Its not a situation I would ever want to be in though if I am honest.
ragnarus wrote:
I saw things like that in here and in other "woman problems" topics so...... Am I the only one that thinks some authorities needs to be alerted about Saner and him possibly being a rapist and/or kidnapper ?
Saner is not being serious. Unless its the subject of Santa!
i would just stay and watch them do it. See the pain in their eyes. See them be all... OH SHIT I WANT TO LIVE. Then go on continuing my day like nothing happened.
I won't help anyone on a rooftop as i'm scared of heights.
People who hang themselves, sure.
Slit wrists, sure, don't mind getting blood in (unless they start screaming they have aids then i'll finish their job for them)
Pill popping, not really. I'll just call 911.
Gun shot, depends how unstable the person looks.
Jumping in front of a car/train, only if there's a hot girl around, just kidding... but i won't jump in on the tracks after him and pull him to safety. If he goes limp, i only got one good arm to save his ass.
Oven in head, no. Not gonna save anyone with that bs. Fucking women bitches.
Not as much for that person themselves, but for just about everyone else. Suicide is a selfish thing to do in my opinion. Sadly, I live next to a railroad and in the past 3 years we've had 4 people jump in front of an oncoming train. Their families devastated, the train drivers traumatised (an often overlooked fact) and in 2 cases it wasn't even a successful suicide. Someone attempting suicide doesn't give a shit about what everyone else will have to go through after they've done their thing, which is the selfish part. It's also pretty much always driven by emotions, not rationality.
The exception would be when someone is terminally ill or incapacitated, but like iconized says, that would be through euthanasia. A controlled death, without shock. At least here in NL that's possible, I realise that there are a lot of countries that still consider it illegal (backward USA being #1, fuck yea ). I wish everyone who opposes euthanasia would just have someone in their family in a grave condition, that'll change their minds instantly; it did for me.
far as im concerned, as long as their act isnt going to endanger the life of someone else (ie when some fuckhead jumps into traffic or whatever), then let them do what they want.
its their life. long as they arent hurting anyone else, its theirs to use or lose.
far as im concerned, as long as their act isnt going to endanger the life of someone else (ie when some fuckhead jumps into traffic or whatever), then let them do what they want.
its their life. long as they arent hurting anyone else, its theirs to use or lose.
Thats more or less how I feel, its up to them and none of my business to interfere. If someone really wants to do it, and not just a cry for help. Then they will keep trying, let them get on with it I say.
Pretty much what Werelds said. Someone posted here, some time ago, a quite interesting documentary about assisted death with a book writer (if I remember right) that had Alzheimer.
This was it, with Terry Pratchett:
I recommend watching it.
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far as im concerned, as long as their act isnt going to endanger the life of someone else (ie when some fuckhead jumps into traffic or whatever), then let them do what they want.
its their life. long as they arent hurting anyone else, its theirs to use or lose.
Thats more or less how I feel, its up to them and none of my business to interfere. If someone really wants to do it, and not just a cry for help. Then they will keep trying, let them get on with it I say.
You're making the assumption that being suicidal is a constant/chronic state and not something that is a desperate attempt to escape from an impossible situation/mental torment at that very moment. Meanwhile "impossible" situations can be solved, mental torment being temporary and can be helped with therapy or meds.
That means the absolute majority of suicides and suicide attempts are based on very temporary anguish that can be helped/alleviated. Yet, with people like you and chiv around, they may be better off dead after all.
But in all seriousness, yes, I would definitely stop someone from trying to commit suicide since I know the situation/anguish they are suffering from is temporary in 99.9% of the time. Anything else would be akin to death-help or simply a lack of insight.
If someone really wants to do it, and not just a cry for help.
how exactly can a suicide attempt be anything else than a cry for help?
Perhaps I should have been more clear, in my opinion a cry for help is when a person takes tablets or whatever, knowing full well they are going to be found by a friend/loved one. But a suicide will make sure (or try their hardest) he/she is not found, in other words they really mean it.
I dont think suicide is really the best answer for anything, under any circumstance, it may be chosen under confusion. If someone wants to suicide they must have a real underlying focused reason. Just explore it, it will always have a real solution not suicide, i think they would chose another route with help or if someone focused them on what to do, share with them.
I would stop them, i cant find one single cause where suicide would be the only answer, and all of the answers i can think about would be better.
Suicide just ends it, its just that, theres nothing beyond that, and you eliminate all the possibilities that you have to help, change, enjoy, get over, etc. Why would i not help them notice what they are missing?
Edit: but if someone would have a mature reason to do so (Old, bored, cant do anything else and decides to leave, EX: His wife died, hes 70, he decides it, well do it the most mature way, not jumping, slitting the wrists etc ffs... )
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Agreed with Paul here. My highschool classmate commited suicide by train. He was troubled, but imagine the life of train operator who now has to live with this image of a guy standing on the tracks waiting to die and couldn't do anything about it. Absolutely selfish thing.
Not to mention his parents...
Happens to train operators a lot. Perhaps a lot more than they would like to admit, I would even believe it's nothing out of the ordinary in Holland. Every train operator is bound to hit someone sooner or later. The Dutch railroad are the busiest in the world.
Bizarrely, in Holland there is a bit of railroad that is actually right next to a mental institution... Not surprisingly the crap hit the fan over theres too often.
What I've also noticed is non suicidal train fatalities. Boom barriers are lowering, often school teenagers are too impatient to wait and still try to cross the railroad. Sometimes they even continue using their phone while they're crossing the railroad, they're not paying attention... And this is how a couple of times some dudes managed to get hit by a train in my local area.
Lopin18 wrote:
I think you played too much Fallout 3, Pedo Perk acquired.
They made their decision, the most important decision human can make, the triumph of the mind over instincts. Folks who die natural way will never have to make decision that important.
That is why I fully support euthanasia, and by fully I mean it should be open not only to terminally ill.
Also, I support the idea that organs donation after death should be obligatory.
You're making the assumption that being suicidal is a constant/chronic state and not something that is a desperate attempt to escape from an impossible situation/mental torment at that very moment. Meanwhile "impossible" situations can be solved, mental torment being temporary and can be helped with therapy or meds.
That means the absolute majority of suicides and suicide attempts are based on very temporary anguish that can be helped/alleviated. Yet, with people like you and chiv around, they may be better off dead after all.
But in all seriousness, yes, I would definitely stop someone from trying to commit suicide since I know the situation/anguish they are suffering from is temporary in 99.9% of the time. Anything else would be akin to death-help or simply a lack of insight.
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I would want to help it in ever case except for people that want to have the right to die, on there terms. Those people that have lived good lives, and are now sick and in pain and just want to end there life on there terms
Honestly I don't know. It's not something I think about (stopping suicide that is, and I stopped thinking of doing one a long time ago).
I could say yes, I would wholeheartedly try and stop it, but I really don't know what would go through my mind at that moment. I really don't know how I'd react (saying and doing are totally different things).
If someone was talking about killing themselves I'd help them and advise them not to do that - as I have with a friend, in the end he sought professional help, now he's fine.
But, just to be clear, I do not think that killing yourself is selfish and cowardly act. It takes a lot of willpower to end your life. Ppl who want to kill themselves just feel desperate and like there isn't a point to continue their existence. It's a terrible state to be in, and I'm happy I don't feel that way anymore...
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chiv wrote:
thats true you know. newton didnt discover gravity. the apple told him about it, and then he killed it. the core was never found.
yes, without a doubt. in fact, denying help to a sucidal, may turn into a "murder by omission".
besides that, ppl usualy sucide acting by a not rational decision, it is usualy a circumstancial irrational act; in other cases there is a premeditation, but those persons kill themselves not in public, but in their homes, alone, and left letters (the usual).
in fact, in our office we had a case that we called a psychiatrist to immediatly assist this client who had a clear intention to commit suicide. we retained him till the medic arrived. i can't state for sure if she was acting or was serious, but the medic says it was the best thing to do. now she lives quite happy and always sends gifts for christmas, saying in the letters "thanks for saving me". (well, she sees it this way. we see it as she had a "one of those days".).
I'm generally not one to interfere, but it would depend on the actual situation. It'd be purely on a case-by-case basis - and I wouldn't find it an easy thing to act on.
Overall, I strongly believe we're free to choose - and even though life can be "worth living" if you give it one more go, I don't think I have the right to interfere. I don't give a shit about the legal ramifications. But if there was some indication of the act being other than an adult considered and willful one - I'd likely have a little chat with the individual.
But I respect the right to choose more than the objective value of life.
4chan guy def hasn't been around depressed people or suicidal people before. Why the fuck you think they want to kill themselves? Because they cannot feel joy or excitement anymore and are probably 24/7 in emotional agony for some reason. Telling them to conquer the world isn't exactly going to solve a lot. Being depressed in Barcelona, Siberia or Sydney is the same.
Anywayz. I still belief that if somebody wants to kill himself/herself, there is a good reason for that. A lot of people might have bad days/periods and think 'FML' and have some sort of plan to actually kill themself. To actually do it, it is a huge hurdle to take and noone does that 'just for the fun of it'. I cannot imagine putting a gun to the side of my head and blowing the shit out just because I had a bad day. I do can imagine wanting to be away from the world after a huge fuckup. But going from A to B, it still takes a huge step.
And 99% of the people here are saying 'yes i would interfere' because they are selfish. Why would you want to help a complete stranger? Because you probably would sleep bad, have nightmares etc etc when you see someone commit suicide. And people always go 'they are selfish for leaving their friends behind, the people who love them, blablabla'. It is not like those people don't know that. In fact, that's the only reason why really really sad people are sometimes still around. They have noone or nothing to live for, so the only reason to stay around is to not make other people's live crappy as well. Eventually even that is no motivation anymore and they pull the difficult trigger.
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Anyway we got into a bit of a debate. The basis being:
). I wish everyone who opposes euthanasia would just have someone in their family in a grave condition, that'll change their minds instantly; it did for me.
