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| Quote: | Yay. Conspiracies. So let's see what Origin really does, shall we?
If you hook process monitor onto Origin you will not see Origin scanning anything, independently of how long you use it. So what triggered the OP's screenshot?
Origin on installation will try to find games installed on your harddrive and automatically register them within Origin. It does that in a couple of different ways:
1. It reads the windows games registry
2. It looks for games in Program Files
3. It looks for games in ProgramData (where, for unknown reason the OP's SMS and tax software are storing the data instead of the user profile where that data should go!)
4. It reads the xfire config if it finds one for games
If you look at the screenshot closely you will see that it does not actually read any files. Instead it looks for their existence and recursively walks the directory. It does not read any of your files, at least not judging from this screenshot or anything I have found on my machine.
Lastly if you monitor the network traffic that Origin causes you will see that it does not transmit anything of value to EA. So far I have not seen anything bug login credentials being submitted.
But it's always so much more fun to assume that software is inherently evil. You can hook a syscall monitor on any application and you will see that it operates all over the drive. That's not something unique to Origin. Steam will do the same if you click the "add non steam game" button. |
http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/lsoj6/still_thinking_eas_origin_is_harmless/c2vbjty
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Przepraszam
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| Posted: Wed, 2nd Nov 2011 00:29 Post subject: |
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Same thing people have been saying about Blizzard Warden that they introduced to World of Warcraft.
either deal with it or press i dont agree when it asks you if you accept eula
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| Posted: Wed, 2nd Nov 2011 00:30 Post subject: |
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We should all take pictures of our dicks slapping a picture of EA logo. They can scan that. It's a gift to them.
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briangw
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| Posted: Wed, 2nd Nov 2011 01:01 Post subject: |
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pfff, what company, person, entity, government isn't spying on any computer?
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chiv
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| Posted: Wed, 2nd Nov 2011 01:09 Post subject: |
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| H4wkeye wrote: | | We should all take pictures of our dicks slapping a picture of EA logo. They can scan that. It's a gift to them. |
what is it with you and getting pictures taken of you slapping your dick against inanimate objects... are you part japanese or something? |
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| Posted: Wed, 2nd Nov 2011 01:31 Post subject: |
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| chiv wrote: | | H4wkeye wrote: | | We should all take pictures of our dicks slapping a picture of EA logo. They can scan that. It's a gift to them. |
what is it with you and getting pictures taken of you slapping your dick against inanimate objects... are you part japanese or something? |
No. And since when did I mention this so often?
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| Posted: Wed, 2nd Nov 2011 03:15 Post subject: |
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Typical H4wkeye, always slapping his dick around and taking pics, tsk tsk.
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| Posted: Wed, 2nd Nov 2011 03:19 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Wed, 2nd Nov 2011 04:03 Post subject: |
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| FadeToBlack wrote: | | human_steel wrote: | | Quote: | | EA spying on our computers... |
... and deleting our system32 folders. |
hide yo computer,hide yo files
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ROFLMAO |
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| Posted: Wed, 2nd Nov 2011 04:03 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Wed, 2nd Nov 2011 04:43 Post subject: |
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Battlefield 3 Multiplayer Without Origin Internal-Razor1911
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| Posted: Wed, 2nd Nov 2011 07:16 Post subject: |
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| Cyborgmatt wrote: | | Quote: | Yay. Conspiracies. So let's see what Origin really does, shall we?
If you hook process monitor onto Origin you will not see Origin scanning anything, independently of how long you use it. So what triggered the OP's screenshot?
Origin on installation will try to find games installed on your harddrive and automatically register them within Origin. It does that in a couple of different ways:
1. It reads the windows games registry
2. It looks for games in Program Files
3. It looks for games in ProgramData (where, for unknown reason the OP's SMS and tax software are storing the data instead of the user profile where that data should go!)
4. It reads the xfire config if it finds one for games
If you look at the screenshot closely you will see that it does not actually read any files. Instead it looks for their existence and recursively walks the directory. It does not read any of your files, at least not judging from this screenshot or anything I have found on my machine.
Lastly if you monitor the network traffic that Origin causes you will see that it does not transmit anything of value to EA. So far I have not seen anything bug login credentials being submitted.
But it's always so much more fun to assume that software is inherently evil. You can hook a syscall monitor on any application and you will see that it operates all over the drive. That's not something unique to Origin. Steam will do the same if you click the "add non steam game" button. |
http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/lsoj6/still_thinking_eas_origin_is_harmless/c2vbjty |
If it were this way, then why are the people in europe on their fences? Why does the german media make such a big deal about it if that's all it does? Origin even changed some of their EULA afterwards and said they're sorry.
I know the media likes drama if they have nothing else to report about but you should be more critical towards all information and not just believe what the internet says or the media says. Make up your own mind about it
And my opinion is that it's wrong to read files on a "personal" computer without notifying the user about it. It's nobody's business when I open what file. And if you bother to read the comments to the thread you posted, you'll see people who have found opposing evidence to that of the author of that blog.
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| Posted: Wed, 2nd Nov 2011 07:24 Post subject: |
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Its funny how only some european countries like Germany make a big deal out of it, while everyone else is happy to forfeit their privacy and civil rights in order to play the newest MP shooter. Even on nfohump, where people like to pretend they're oh so smart and sophisticated, they actually celebrate scamming EA for free keys to play on their spyware platform - it's surreal.
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| Posted: Wed, 2nd Nov 2011 07:36 Post subject: |
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| Roger_Young wrote: | | nerrd wrote: | | People, like myself are concerned about their privacy because it's a basic right. It's not only about personal rights, it's also about the principle. |
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| Posted: Wed, 2nd Nov 2011 09:05 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Wed, 2nd Nov 2011 09:19 Post subject: |
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Are you trying to insinuate that I have an Origin account? Or I misunderstood you and that was just a general comment?
Just to clear things up, I don't.
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| Posted: Wed, 2nd Nov 2011 09:20 Post subject: |
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pakko
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Werelds
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| Posted: Wed, 2nd Nov 2011 10:10 Post subject: |
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All this privacy bullshit gets on my fucking nerves big time. It's the same as with storing DNA profiles in ID cards and such; people cry about their privacy, but honestly? You've got something to hide if you get anal about your DNA being in the open. What the fuck is anyone going to do with your DNA profile besides matching it to a crime? Clone you? 
For those who say they're "concerned" about their privacy and won't trust Origin? Please disconnect your phone, internet and tv because people ARE taking notes at what you're watching, who you're calling and for how long and how much internet traffic you generate. All for stats and to be able to serve you better. Do they look at the contents of those phone calls and such? No, because that is against the law - recording the stats however, isn't. In fact, phone providers (and this is enforced much more in Germany) are obligated to keep this data for at least 1 year so that law enforcement can access it if needed. Not the actual call, but all details around it: which number you rang, how long you spoke, your location, that kind of stuff. The German media especially are fucking hypocritical in this matter and I find it disgusting. All Origin does is accessing public data on your HDD to check if it's a related product (which they do warn you about, I'm sure) - if you don't want anything to access those files, stop whining and learn how to encrypt your shit.
Then again, if you really were concerned and not just a retard jumping onto a bandwagon you wouldn't be on the internet and most certainly not posting on a forum. You wouldn't have internet/phone/tv for the reasons I mentioned before. Fuck, you might as well start wearing a burqa, because if I can see who you are I might be able to figure out your name as well by comparing photos!
@ Klinge: since when does the media have a fucking clue about anything, especially when technology or videogaming is involved? "HURR DURR MASS SHOOTING WAS CAUSED BY PLAYING CS/UT/GTA/MYLITTLEPONY" or "HURR DURR HE TRAINED HIMSELF WITH GAME X" - fuck off please.
This is no different. You say people have found "opposing evidence" in that Reddit thread, where exactly? Noone has shown any proof that Origin does this after the installation at which point I'm pretty sure it does mention somewhere that it's looking for games on your HDD. Noone has shown any proof that this data is transmitted to EA, noone has shown any proof that whatever the fuck it comes across on your HDD is transmitted..do I really need to go on? The media is blowing this out of proportions and until anyone proves that Origin sends any of that info to EA, there's nothing going on. Do you even have any idea how often Windows and most Linux distributions "phone home"? Let alone OS X.
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| Posted: Wed, 2nd Nov 2011 10:13 Post subject: |
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^ What he said.
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY
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| Posted: Wed, 2nd Nov 2011 10:45 Post subject: |
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Running PeerBlock (blocking all types of connection), and then Origin, you can see that it tries to connect to "Detected AP2P on Amazon EC2 Cloud". Whilst I think people are paranoid about it scanning things, the only other time I've had something try and connect to the AP2P IPs is when I'm actually torrenting. I do think this is very dodgy, and, if you add everything together, it does imply that EA is checking whether people have legit exes/serials.
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| Posted: Wed, 2nd Nov 2011 10:47 Post subject: |
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But then why just don't put an option where u can flag it on and off? It's so easy.. and problem solved.
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Werelds
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| Posted: Wed, 2nd Nov 2011 10:49 Post subject: |
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| Pixieking wrote: | | Running PeerBlock (blocking all types of connection), and then Origin, you can see that it tries to connect to "Detected AP2P on Amazon EC2 Cloud". Whilst I think people are paranoid about it scanning things, the only other time I've had something try and connect to the AP2P IPs is when I'm actually torrenting. I do think this is very dodgy, and, if you add everything together, it does imply that EA is checking whether people have legit exes/serials. |
Which shows just how stupid things like PeerBlock are. I'm sure some of the EC2 IPs have been used for Anti-P2P shit, but EC2 is pretty damn large with a relatively limited number of IPs in fact. EC2 is a hosting platform in the cloud; most video encoding services use it, a lot of bigger websites use it to balance their load a bit and I'm sure EA is using it for that same reason. Paranoia at its best, really.
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| Posted: Wed, 2nd Nov 2011 10:53 Post subject: |
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| Werelds wrote: | | All this privacy bullshit ... |
I stopped reading here. Seriously, if Origin was created by Activision and was used to play MW3, everyone on the hump would go crazy about Kotick spying on our computers. But since it's ultimately about Battlefield 3, a good MP game with many fans around here, most people are actually finding excuses for whatever Origin does.
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| Posted: Wed, 2nd Nov 2011 10:59 Post subject: |
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| Werelds wrote: | | Pixieking wrote: | | Running PeerBlock (blocking all types of connection), and then Origin, you can see that it tries to connect to "Detected AP2P on Amazon EC2 Cloud". Whilst I think people are paranoid about it scanning things, the only other time I've had something try and connect to the AP2P IPs is when I'm actually torrenting. I do think this is very dodgy, and, if you add everything together, it does imply that EA is checking whether people have legit exes/serials. |
Which shows just how stupid things like PeerBlock are. I'm sure some of the EC2 IPs have been used for Anti-P2P shit, but EC2 is pretty damn large with a relatively limited number of IPs in fact. EC2 is a hosting platform in the cloud; most video encoding services use it, a lot of bigger websites use it to balance their load a bit and I'm sure EA is using it for that same reason. Paranoia at its best, really. |
Maybe... Again, there's no proof. You say load balancing, but all I'm doing is opening up Origin, and it seems weird that EA outsource something as menial as opening up Origin to Amazon's EC2. It most likely is paranoia - I don't believe it's bad enough to constantly block Origin - but it just seems... Weird.
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| Posted: Wed, 2nd Nov 2011 11:00 Post subject: |
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@ BloodySpy: No, not at all. The same bullshit has been said about Steam for example and I think that's just as much bullshit as this. In fact, anyone who uses the internet and software on a PC yet cries about his "privacy" is a hypocrit in my opinion. Everything gathers stats these days, just about all software phones home.
You say people justify what Origin does because it's here with BF3 (which is bullshit btw, Origin has been around for quite some time and noone made a fuss about it up till now). I say the opposite: because it's from EA, people instantly hate it. Don't get me wrong, I dislike what EA does to most of "their" games as much as Activision. But to say Origin is spyware is just hypocritical if you use a computer to begin with. I'd love to have a look on nerrd's or Roger_Young's PCs because I'm pretty sure within 10 minutes I'll identify 5 pieces of software that send data as well.
@ Pixieking: most companies don't manage their own server farms anymore. Why would they try to, when there are experts who are better at it? Valve for example designed their architecture themselves and handled its management themselves at first, but when Steam got bigger they outsourced that last part just the same. EC2 is one of the buzz words in web development now, just about everyone gets all horny about it because it's affordable and relatively reliable.
Saying some software is spyware or transmits data just because it accesses a file or connects to an IP is nonsense. Unless you can prove it analyzed the file or if you intercept the data it sends to that IP, there's nothing more going on than your very browser does.
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| Posted: Wed, 2nd Nov 2011 11:04 Post subject: |
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and then people call me a conspiracy nut ....
(general response)
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| Posted: Wed, 2nd Nov 2011 11:09 Post subject: |
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And i'm out
Proud member of Frustrated Association of International Losers Failing Against the Gifted and Superior (F.A.I.L.F.A.G.S)
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| Posted: Wed, 2nd Nov 2011 11:12 Post subject: |
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| Klinge wrote: | | Cyborgmatt wrote: | | Quote: | Yay. Conspiracies. So let's see what Origin really does, shall we?
If you hook process monitor onto Origin you will not see Origin scanning anything, independently of how long you use it. So what triggered the OP's screenshot?
Origin on installation will try to find games installed on your harddrive and automatically register them within Origin. It does that in a couple of different ways:
1. It reads the windows games registry
2. It looks for games in Program Files
3. It looks for games in ProgramData (where, for unknown reason the OP's SMS and tax software are storing the data instead of the user profile where that data should go!)
4. It reads the xfire config if it finds one for games
If you look at the screenshot closely you will see that it does not actually read any files. Instead it looks for their existence and recursively walks the directory. It does not read any of your files, at least not judging from this screenshot or anything I have found on my machine.
Lastly if you monitor the network traffic that Origin causes you will see that it does not transmit anything of value to EA. So far I have not seen anything bug login credentials being submitted.
But it's always so much more fun to assume that software is inherently evil. You can hook a syscall monitor on any application and you will see that it operates all over the drive. That's not something unique to Origin. Steam will do the same if you click the "add non steam game" button. |
http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/lsoj6/still_thinking_eas_origin_is_harmless/c2vbjty |
If it were this way, then why are the people in europe on their fences? |
Because the world is full of idiots.
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