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 Posted: Mon, 31st Oct 2011 07:25 Post subject: Life in the 3rd World.... |
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Ahhh fuck... this sucks...
Living in the Dominican Republic, has a nice job, VERY NICE, but ill only have it till the mid of next year when elections come... its a political workplace where the new party will come and devour everything...
Currently at College, wont get an internationally valid title, fucking a ......
Thought i knew a lot about programming out of high school, well real life shitted on me, i dont know as much as i thought, even if im smart i lack knowledge... but im young... 23.. im a beginner so to say, at least i feel like it in my workplace, even if im praised for my innovation and motivation and i shine at my work, what i do how i handle myself, im still not a skilled programmer... just smart and motivated... I know a lot of basic and required skills in Oracle, PL/SQL Dev, VB.net and i have worked in all those old ass languages (c++, Delphi, Pascal, FoxPro, Vb 6 etc worthless shit...)
So ill be jobless next year... this country sucks dick if ur poor or middle class like i am. You go out at night and its full, FUCKING FULL of expensive cars, young people with SUPER EXPENSIVE SUVs Cars etc. spending a fucking lot of money in drinks, bottles every week, and they dont even fuckign work, its hideous, and its the political corruption, the drug cartels, it has infested everything here, everyone is "rich" from cartels and government corruption, my god its horrendous... they caught a big fish a year ago and so many known families and people were disclosed as being involved in drug deals, its fuckign ridiculous.
Oh well, i wanna be good, i wanna live with my mind clear.. so i work... work... and i have a pure heart on my journey.. but it pains me to see everything go unpunished... omg i cant even explain how serious things are here.
Wont get a job without contacts because there has always been a job crisis and a huuuge base of Computer Ings. Programmers etc. the average pay is like 40% of what i currently have as salary. so im in for a world of shit when i get fired... Wont gradute for another 3 years... thats gonna help too.
This is painful... so here i am, sunday late night, drinking pure vodka, found a lil bottle in the fridge, thinking about studing some Microsoft Certificates books to gain knowledge and do the Exams and get certificated, seeing how im 23 and paying everything in the house, maintaning my mom, and thinking about how in some years i wanna move to Canada and get a decent job there... but my sis is there and it pains me to see how hard it has been for her :S i dont wanna go through that... :S
Why i wanna go out of here? Violence... Corruption... this society is sinking so, so low... Drugs, Corruption, general public doesnt care for shit... its so painful to see how low we've sunk, i have such a high motivation for success and progress, to do anything i can to make anything better, personal or to the general public. But its like a War Game here... even if i had a way to go into politics or any kind of power or influence, i would end up dead in 1 year, for sure.
So the glass is empty, gotta work tomorrow, find time for college assignments and study the microsoft Certs books... and to see WHAT to do about the future, Canada? Stay? my god how could i stay, what would i be giving my future kids? This land? This fucking savage jungle? ....
Words cant describe it but i think its the same everywhere, i just cant experience it as it all seems so good in other countries (which i doubt LOL) but, i know my country. its shit.
Oh well, monday, the day will be shiny, gaining experience, studying etc, pushing hard for my future, and hoping everything is within my reach so i can keep climbing stairs and go to a decent standing where i can smile every night i go to sleep and every morning i step down of my bed without worrying or looking down and realizing how dangerous and unpredictable life can be.
TL:DR: Dominican Republic sucks and unless i study and turn out to be a known recognizable genius i wont progress anywhere since i lose morality and do things like everyone does it here.... Wanna go to Canada and i doubt ill survive or get an IT job like i want to... MEH Fuck!
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| Posted: Mon, 31st Oct 2011 08:39 Post subject: |
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Companies in Silicon Valley, Orange County, and New York are desperate for anyone with programming/IT experience. If you're really serious about leaving get your shit together and start exploring opportunities. I know there are plenty.
Sense Amid Madness, Wit Amidst Folly
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| Posted: Mon, 31st Oct 2011 08:41 Post subject: Re: Life in the 3rd World.... |
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| Lopin18 wrote: |
Oh well, monday, the day will be shiny, gaining experience, studying etc, pushing hard for my future, and hoping everything is within my reach so i can keep climbing stairs and go to a decent standing where i can smile every night i go to sleep and every morning i step down of my bed without worrying or looking down and realizing how dangerous and unpredictable life can be. |
This.
Don't loose hope.
I also live in a shitty and corrupt country, and I'd like to get the hell away asap. Ofc that by itself will be difficult. Not to mention the cultural shock that you get when you move in a different country.
If you have a certain goal in your life, try to follow it. Especially if it's sth you really want.
"Quantum mechanics is actually, contrary to it's reputation, unbeliveably simple, once you take the physics out."
Scott Aaronson | chiv wrote: | | thats true you know. newton didnt discover gravity. the apple told him about it, and then he killed it. the core was never found. |
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| Posted: Mon, 31st Oct 2011 08:47 Post subject: |
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So DR is as fucked up as Porto rico?
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| Posted: Mon, 31st Oct 2011 11:16 Post subject: |
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| tainted4ever wrote: | | Companies in Silicon Valley, Orange County, and New York are desperate for anyone with programming/IT experience. If you're really serious about leaving get your shit together and start exploring opportunities. I know there are plenty. |
A hypothetical question. What would be the average starting salary in each of those places for someone fresh out of college with a degree in Software Engineering? I'm still not completely set on what I want to do after I graduate.
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I dont know about Puerto Rico, but i doubt its as bad as here, they have REAL autorities, FBI, Federal Laws, etc, Here we have nothing, the Big Fish i mentioned is FROM puerto rico, escaped a federal prison by counterfeiting some prison permits and lived 10 fucking years in DR, roaming free and noone noticed, did deals with a LOT of impotant people and everyone saw him around, until they caught a women of his with a mercedes benz SUV with over 4 millon dollars in the trunk.
Example? In the news there was a report with evidence and everything, about a government official who had, his wife, son, daughter, cousing, neighborn, OVER 50 fucking people, working in his government institution, they NEVER went to work, and he didnt go to jail, didnt lose his job, noone whined, just a news report, nothing else. and thats day by day... its ridiculous.
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| Posted: Mon, 31st Oct 2011 12:27 Post subject: |
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Yeah i have to start investigating, i was looking in Monster.com i think, about Canadian jobs, but they just talk about experience in ERP systems, and some languages ive never heard of, but ill keep investigating and start studying whats required by the market today.
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| Posted: Mon, 31st Oct 2011 13:27 Post subject: |
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fucked up shit is fucked up! o.O
and i thought the dominican republic was like an island paradise
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| Posted: Mon, 31st Oct 2011 13:32 Post subject: |
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It is an island paradise to tourists. It's a cesspool (as described in the OP) to the local residents.
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w00tz human steal => 23000 posts!!! 
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it ll be awesome at 23032 again
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and you know that ll be in just a few minutes anyways 
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| Posted: Mon, 31st Oct 2011 14:11 Post subject: |
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| DarkPassenger wrote: | | tainted4ever wrote: | | Companies in Silicon Valley, Orange County, and New York are desperate for anyone with programming/IT experience. If you're really serious about leaving get your shit together and start exploring opportunities. I know there are plenty. |
A hypothetical question. What would be the average starting salary in each of those places for someone fresh out of college with a degree in Software Engineering? I'm still not completely set on what I want to do after I graduate. |
I myself am active in Bio informatics, programming tools to analyze genomes/genetics etc that is. I am working in an academic setting (a university that is) in collaboration with a lot of small silicon valley startups (but also start ups in other locations). They are really really really desperate in their search for talent. But the catch is, only programming won't get you really far, because there are tons and tons of cheap indians to do brainless coding. But if you can code on a decent level AND have another skill (such as biology, social media, finance, sales talent) there are tons of money to be made. A lot of these companies try to lure me in with salaries > 35000-40000. There are silicon valley companies giving 20k signing bonuses!
Option 2 is you are super specialised in a single aspect which basically has direct effects on the profit of the company. Super Oracle expert, super memory management in C++, hardware whizkid etc. Instead of 10 people trying to figure stuff out, you can do it in a split second, so the others can focus on their job. Efficiency goes up.
Nowadays, everybody with half a brain can code something in some language. So if you have a generic skill set, such as basic Java or some basic .net skills, you won't make money as a coder. Maybe the best thing to do is, get another degree and become an analyst in finance/biology/insurance/pharma/... and use the coding skills as one of your many assets in your 'swiss knife' as an analyst
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| Posted: Mon, 31st Oct 2011 18:44 Post subject: |
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| Lutzifer wrote: | fucked up shit is fucked up! o.O
and i thought the dominican republic was like an island paradise |
Me too, people went theres for vacation is what I thought. I guess it's the fate of the beautiful bounty island. Beautiful scenery, unproductive society. Not nice to say but it seems ugly countries with shitty weather have the most productive societies.
So England learn to love the drizzle
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Vacations and tourism is great here, it IS a tropical paradise, specially since you have money, but for those who live here, work here, its hell, logically.
Pay is low, jobs are very very very hard to come by, so you can guess what happens, corruption, crime etc.. a cesspool.
Even i enjoy living here when i get my salary, i race cars etc, paintball, but money is never enough, its really expensive for us, so i have to cut back more and more every passing month. ughhh
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Not familiar with the project you are mentioning. But getting regular phonecalls from DNAnexus, Roche, Illumina, Johnson Pharma etc to collaborate or join them. My experience is that most of the managers over there are old fashioned dinosaurs (excuse, people with extensive experience in soft skills and sales...) and can use anobody with IT + bio experience. Half of their sales people are talking 95% crap and have no clue what they are talking about.
My advice? Give it a shot and try, you'd be amazed 95% of the time about the fact that your skills and knowledge is above average. Be a bit arrogant and cocky, show what you know, but don't overdo it. You'll get hired in no time.
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| DarkPassenger wrote: | | tainted4ever wrote: | | Companies in Silicon Valley, Orange County, and New York are desperate for anyone with programming/IT experience. If you're really serious about leaving get your shit together and start exploring opportunities. I know there are plenty. |
A hypothetical question. What would be the average starting salary in each of those places for someone fresh out of college with a degree in Software Engineering? I'm still not completely set on what I want to do after I graduate. |
$65k minimum. You'll get equity and bonuses as well, which you have to negotiate for. Oh and full benefits. Only thing worse than Europe is only 2-3 weeks vacation per year. Sometimes only 10 days.
My friends on average, I would say, are getting $80k initial salaries, ~$10k in equity locked up over 2 years, and a full range of perks such as ridiculous expense accounts and travel arrangements for conferences and retirement plans.
Keep in mind the salaries tend to increase dramatically once you're in the industry and are good at what you do. If you've got ~8-10 years of experience and aren't making 6 figures, YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG.
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| Lopin18 wrote: | | Yeah i have to start investigating, i was looking in Monster.com i think, about Canadian jobs, but they just talk about experience in ERP systems, and some languages ive never heard of, but ill keep investigating and start studying whats required by the market today. |
Most jobs listed on big resume sites are complete crap, and the applicants they tend to attract are even worse. The job postings like to play buzzword bingo because that's all HR can really do. Don't worry if you have no experience in half the stuff they list; if the job looks interesting and you think you can do it, apply.
The good jobs you can only get to if you have friends in the industry. Since I assume you don't, I recommend you put together a resume and start cold-emailing it to HR departments of companies you would be interested in working for. If your resume is a bit thin due to lack of job experience, start thinking about freelancing online, or doing some extremely cool project on the side, or contributing to open source projects/doing something cool on Github.
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Since im young im trying to finish college and do a MBA here that would had internacional credits, get some nice jobs here in IT area, and then get referenced outside for having good experience and performance in my country, thats my currently plan, if not, ill be studying and looking to just jump out and start out anyway i can, but for now, do my best, study and hopefully get a reference to work outside.
oh life, dont be such a bitch... hehehe
Would be nice to see what kind of knowledge would be common to start a basic or starting IT programming job out there. Languages, Standards, studies, etc. so i can trace a study line and plan what i could learn etc.
Over here whats usually required is .NET VB or C# knowledge, Web Applications, Oracle knowledge and probably SAP, but ive seen java being required a lot. IT got so complicated over the years... lol
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@spankie,
@tainted
Thanks for the input guys, really appreciate it. With every passing day I am convincing myself more and more that California would be an awesome place to go and work after finishing uni. I might even shoot up a few companies my CV before that, just for the hell of it, and see what happens.
Oh, and the Scandinavian climate is also swaying the balance in that direction, especially as the winter approaches.
* Off to look up a few potential employers *
@Lopin
A great way to learn is making friends and working with people who are also interested in learning the same stuff. Especially if they are more experienced than you. I've probably learned more from working with other people at uni than from lectures, teachers and books.
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A lot of young people with high qualifications have a serious lack of confidence nowadays. My guess is that the sloppy economy is causing that and parents saying 'your life will suck, spoiled youth'.
If you have brains, ambition and a degree, there is a job for you somewhere. Although a bachelor's degree might be enough to find A job, I would tell you to push for a master's degree. Bachelor are a little bit too generic to make a difference in the field. But you could build some experience with it. Do some summer internship somewhere, do some freelance work, do some independent work with a couple of friends and fill your resume.
How many people get advanced degrees in computer science/engineering/science yearly? I'll tell you, in Belgium maxx 5000 on a population of 11.000.000. I guess that's the roughly the same in other places. How many people have advanced degrees anyway? My guess we are fairly close to single digit percentages of total population, and most of the degrees are 'interesting but irrelevant' such as history, psychology, philosophy. They are ok degrees, but they don't give you the competitive job market edge that hard sciences give you.
There are always exceptions to what will follow, of course. But i'll go through with it anyways. I'll give you a nice statistic. In kiddie school I liked math and was good at it, there were 4 people in my class like that. Then I studied math-science in high school, with the same people from the kiddie school. The high school class i was in went to all sorts of different universities. Most of them became doctors, civil engineers, financial engineers, i became a biological engineer, others became computer engineers. Of the 16 people in that high school graduation class (already 9 years ago), all got uni degrees, 5 got a PhD or are close to one, the others work in big companies like Nike, Procter & Gamble, or are researchers in some governmental institution, or are building bridges or writing software in hip IT startups. Why am I telling all this? Because our class graduated from high school in 2003 and from uni in 2007-2009. the shittiest job market you could imagine, trust me. FYI, i am systematically tracking the background of the people in PhD defences i go to (mostly science,economics,medical,IT,engineering) and >90% have a math/science background in high school.
Everybody found a nice job, why? Because people with hard science knowledge have a certain way of thinking and working that goes back to your earliest days, you cannot 'train' someone random to be a coder or an engineer in 1 year. Recruiters know that as well and they are desperate for such people.
You might need to look around a little bit because most of those jobs are not that 'urgent' and are not in the newspaper. I have never seen a newspaper add saying 'we are looking for 10 PhDs' although our lab is really really really desperate looking for people to do a PhD. We have the money, we have the office space, we have the equipment. But on the other hand, we can survive without additional people, with other people things would just go faster and more efficient. Compare that to somebody who was to do construction or clean toilets. Those jobs are urgent, hence in the newspaper.
Yeah, well maybe I got a little bit of topic with my reply, but I find it heart breaking to see skilled people doubt so much and see really stupid people brag all the time about their shitty job and their shitty skills. I have respect for everybody that is working, but some jobs require brains, others don't. If you have brains, you can and should be proud of it; if you are good with your hands, you should also be proud of it. But if you are cleaning toilets in a bank you are not a banker and if you do the IT in a public institution you are an IT dude and should be proud of it.
And garus, I don't know how old you are, but there is some justice in the job market. There is injustice everywhere and crap people get good jobs and good people get crap jobs now and then, but in the end talent gets rewarded. In a job interview talent and motivation sticks out in 2 minutes.
I've said it before. I keep doing phoney recruitments just to test market value  I have done 4-5 job interviews the last 18 months or so and in general talent gets rewarded. Of course if the company is selling crap as a business plan, don't expect to be rewarded. Don't apply as IT dude at groupon or Crox. You can only sell what you are. You sell air/crap you get air/crap people. (yeah i have a serious anti groupon attitude, but that's another story).
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