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couleur
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https://apnews.com/article/book-bans-libraries-lawsuits-fines-prison-0914fa6cbb2a99b540cbbd28a38179b4
Its only cancel culture when it comes from the cancèle region of France, otherwise its just simple censorship.
No, but seriously? How is banning books compatible with the freedom of speech party? Maybe its just the speech that they agree with and freedom of speech is just a dumb marketing slogan.
"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one's own understanding without another's guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one's own mind without another's guidance. Dare to know! (Sapere aude.) "Have the courage to use your own understanding," is therefore the motto of the enlightenment."
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| Posted: Wed, 10th Apr 2024 11:10 Post subject: |
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Presumably these are the same morons who agreed with Trump when he suggested people drink bleach to cure Covid
Funny how they can have relgious books which are at best a fantasy and at worse bigoted bullshit, and probably a whole row of books on weapons and how to kill a rabbit with a rocket launcher and protect your property from 'darkies'.
But discuss a nipple and bam!
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| Posted: Wed, 10th Apr 2024 14:16 Post subject: |
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@couleur
It's only freedom of speech, When they agree with the speech. "You can say whatever you want, long as we agree".
To me, all sides point to all other sides given the right situation claiming to either protect, or point out violations of speech. The difference is if they agree or disagree with the speech on which one it is.
People are people, we are all cut from the same cloth, and have the same habits. Just the color of the cloth is different, but its still the same cloth. No matter 'who' they are:
-Things they find offensive are censored to 'protect' people, those that don't find it offensive call free speech violations.
-Then those things they find acceptable are touted as covered by free speech, those that find it offensive say it should be muted.
And the snake of hypocrisy continues to eat its own tail.
| Reg67 wrote: | | Funny how they can have relgious books which are at best a fantasy and at worse bigoted bullshit |
Not sure if they still are, their was a group of people going around pointing out how religious books like bible/torah/etc needed to be removed too under this new dumb law. As it violated the new statutes for: sex, violence, bigotry, incest, human cruelty, and graphic descriptions and mandates of genocide.
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couleur
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| Posted: Wed, 10th Apr 2024 20:20 Post subject: |
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No, he just said to inject disinfectant.
But again, you always have to have his followers explain away what he says because he's too dumb to understand even the most basic science.
"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one's own understanding without another's guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one's own mind without another's guidance. Dare to know! (Sapere aude.) "Have the courage to use your own understanding," is therefore the motto of the enlightenment."
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vurt
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| Posted: Wed, 10th Apr 2024 20:43 Post subject: |
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He was 100% right about sunlight / vitamin D (which yes, is a disinfectant), super important and decreases the risk of getting covid something tremendously:
https://www.mdpi.com/2072-6643/16/5/679
People assume disinfectant = bleach, because most people do not understand basic science + they rather listen to lies from MSM than perhaps research themselves. It's absolutely a thing in the medical field, but no it doesn't mean they inject people with bleach.
So he was probably one of the first to suggest vitamin D as a cure. It's only now in 2024 they've realized exactly HOW important it was, even though there's been many hints of it.
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| Posted: Wed, 10th Apr 2024 20:53 Post subject: |
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That's not what he meant.
What is so hard to understand he lacks a grasp on the overlap between In vivo and in vitro,and extrapolated a possible solution not grasping the difference in details told to him?
If he DID mean sunlight, and vitamin D:
| Quote: | So, supposedly we hit the body with a tremendous, whether it’s ultraviolet or just very powerful light, and I think you said that hasn’t been checked, but you’re going to test it. And then I said supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way.
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| Quote: | | And then I see the disinfectant...And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning, because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs |
Is the WEIRDEST way to say "Get sunlight, and take vitamin D" I have ever heard. Clearly he didn't mean that. AND if he did mean "Stand outside and get some sun, and take vitamin D" is a terrible cure for covid.
Because a disinfectant definition is a chemical substance or compound used to inactivate or destroy microorganisms on inert surfaces. (Why no medicine you take is called a disinfectant) as the human body is not an inert surface.
So even using disinfectant as a term he was either wrong in his terms, or wrong about what he meant to do with the disinfectant.
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couleur
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| Posted: Wed, 10th Apr 2024 20:58 Post subject: |
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| vurt wrote: | He was 100% right about sunlight / vitamin D (which yes, is a disinfectant), super important and decreases the risk of getting covid something tremendously:
https://www.mdpi.com/2072-6643/16/5/679
People assume disinfectant = bleach, because most people do not understand basic science + they rather listen to lies from MSM than perhaps research themselves. It's absolutely a thing in the medical field, but no it doesn't mean they inject people with bleach.
So he was probably one of the first to suggest vitamin D as a cure. It's only now in 2024 they've realized exactly HOW important it was, even though there's been many hints of it. |
This is Nostradamus level deciphering of Trumpian scriptures. 4D Science.
edit: But it's always the same pattern. Trump spouts some garbled nonsense, gets called out, and the true disciples of the lump jump to the rescue with how it must have been interpreted. He didn't mean that, he meant this etc. The MSM lies bla bla bla (yeah, no shit). Almost like a cult of dumb.
edit: And I dont question the effectiveness of Vitamin D.
"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one's own understanding without another's guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one's own mind without another's guidance. Dare to know! (Sapere aude.) "Have the courage to use your own understanding," is therefore the motto of the enlightenment."
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| Posted: Wed, 10th Apr 2024 21:04 Post subject: |
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@couleur
How dare you question doctor Trump M.D. Ph.D?!
The way I see it, using the world disinfectant AND injection are pretty clear. Inject a substance (that term strictly means external surface cleaning), inside the body.
And if he DID mean the other way, dont trust his calls, as he doesn't even get the medical terms vaguely right and actually got one completely backwards.
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vurt
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| Posted: Wed, 10th Apr 2024 21:06 Post subject: |
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| |DXWarlock wrote: | That's not what he meant.
What is so hard to understand he lacks a grasp on the overlap between In vivo and in vitro,and extrapolated a possible solution not grasping the difference in details told to him?
If he DID mean sunlight, and vitamin D:
| Quote: | So, supposedly we hit the body with a tremendous, whether it’s ultraviolet or just very powerful light, and I think you said that hasn’t been checked, but you’re going to test it. And then I said supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way.
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| Quote: | | And then I see the disinfectant...And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning, because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs |
Is the WEIRDEST way to say "Get sunlight, and take vitamin D" I have ever heard. Clearly he didn't mean that. AND if he did mean "Stand outside and get some sun, and take vitamin D" is a terrible cure for covid.
Because a disinfectant definition is a chemical substance or compound used to inactivate or destroy microorganisms on inert surfaces. (Why no medicine you take is called a disinfectant) as the human body is not an inert surface.
So even using disinfectant as a term he was either wrong in his terms, or wrong about what he meant to do with the disinfectant. |
...if you inject something it can absolutely get into the organs quickly yes. you don't need to inject Omega 3 into your brain to benefit from eating Omega 3  injecting is something you do as an emergency.
How he describes it is getting doctors to do something with it for the patient, not that you should do it yourself. It's pretty clear he's just running his mouth (like always) here and just brain storming because it was a very desperate situation. I don't think he should've commented on it, just like i don't think politicians should tell us about how we must get vaccinated, because they clearly are not experts on that either.
@couleur. yes because he didn't say inject bleach. yet you think it's ok to run with that? Why?
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| Posted: Wed, 10th Apr 2024 21:10 Post subject: |
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| vurt wrote: | | ...if you inject something it can absolutely get into the organs quickly yes. |
If ANYONE injects disinfectants, they need to get to a doctor quickly, because it gets to the organs quickly.
Disinfectants is literally the term used for external inert surfaces that are NOT for human consumption. Vitamin D is NOT a disinfectant, it's a vitamin with antiseptic and antimicrobial properties.
And a president during a pandemic should not be spitballing vague ideas of how to fix a thing during a public briefing on that thing. Power of authoritative voice can lead to dire circumstances by his spitballing, taken as advice.
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vurt
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| Posted: Wed, 10th Apr 2024 21:16 Post subject: |
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No I agree.. He didn't say inject bleach, he said inject disinfectant. So let's meet in the middle? and say the MSM did just as much damage as he did himself?
They both share the blame of 'dumb shit people shouldn't do, but was claimed to be told to".
| vurt wrote: | | Was that because of this "drink bleach" thing? Anyone remember? |
Nope, but it doesn't defend or detract from it.
if anything, its gives MORE reason he should be careful with words. BEcause obviously people are doing dumb shit unprompted. Prompted would be worse.
Cannot use "Some else did something else totally different. So there, proves it wasn't a problem.": My mom told me swimming with alligators was fine, my friend was attacked by a snapping turtle in the water. was that because of the "alligators are fine" statement? If not I rest my case alligators are fine to swim with.
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vurt
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He very, very clearly didn't say people should go and get a disinfectant and inject it, he speaks about what doctors should perhaps research, and what they could to with a potential patient. Very, very big difference from suggesting people should inject themselves with bleach or drink it.
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vurt
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| Posted: Wed, 10th Apr 2024 21:47 Post subject: |
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I can agree, I hope Biden doesn't do that.
I hope NO president spitballs personal ideas in a public press briefing about areas of expertise they are clearly woefully uneducated in. Be it Biden about brain surgery, Trump about Disinfectants in the body, or the whoever the next guy is, on say, treating Parkinson's.
That's the issue. NOT who did it, it's what he did, where he did it, and how arrogant it was to even spitball solutions live on a thing he has no business being even a passing idea man on based on the very very wrong ideas he had.
Just admit. He did a thing he shouldn't, trying to show how 'big brain' he is, and all it showed was how arrogantly smart he thinks he is, by doing the opposite of showing that.
It's easy, trump tried to "Big Beautiful Brain" something in his "I kinda rock knowing solutions for everything" and failed..simple.
Did it end the world? No. Did anyone die from it? No. Did he embarrass himself by looking like the opposite of what he was trying to do? Yep.
No big deal. Trump being Trump: I know everything (the people: he just learned about this didn't he?).
If you want to defend him, can defend him on why he did it. But what he did? Nah..that's clear to all of us. He made a very bad attempt at being the smartest man in the room, again no big deal. That is his thing..trying to do that.
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If Trump wouldn't want to have his words twisted, he would use them more reasonably. Having his words twisted is part of his whole persona. I don't get how people always read Trump with such intense leniency. It is garbage. Just so happens, the garbage keeps him in the MSM news. And I guess a rather large part of his followers in the US just understands garbage better than rational thought.
"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one's own understanding without another's guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one's own mind without another's guidance. Dare to know! (Sapere aude.) "Have the courage to use your own understanding," is therefore the motto of the enlightenment."
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i would agree, he should've kept his mouth shut but i also think absolutely no one expected that to happen. Overall politicians and health advice, fuck off, you are not a doctor and there's no reason to trust you.
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| Posted: Wed, 10th Apr 2024 22:00 Post subject: |
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@vurt
I get it, you want to counter the outrageous claims of the MSM. But doing so with equally liberal extremes of interpretation isnt how to do it. You dont balance the scale, you just make a counter extreme.
You mock them for extreme loose fitting interpretations, by using an opposite extreme loose fitting interpretation.
We are past "inject bleach" we agreed with you he didnt say that, yet that still is your defense.
We AGREE he said "Maybe doctors can look into injecting disinfects into people, see if that works". I 100% agree that is what he did, suggest doctors look into it. And I think that is absurd and dumb to suggest in an open forum, and not behind closed doors considering the context of knowledge or certainty (or lack of) to say that. Because not only are the people you suggesting it to go "uhh...what?" so are 300 million americans.
| vurt wrote: | | Overall politicians and health advice, fuck off, you are not a doctor and there's no reason to trust you. |
True for anything outside legislative law (and even in that for some of them sadly). Politicians need to listen/defer to their expert advisors. And stop thinking "I am a powerful man, so I am a smart man"
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| boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
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couleur
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| Posted: Thu, 11th Apr 2024 12:02 Post subject: |
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Asimov is right. You should read Melissa, toni.
"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one's own understanding without another's guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one's own mind without another's guidance. Dare to know! (Sapere aude.) "Have the courage to use your own understanding," is therefore the motto of the enlightenment."
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I'll check it out as as soon as I'm done reading the one with the gay penguins.
| boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
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zenux
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| Posted: Thu, 11th Apr 2024 14:02 Post subject: |
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"Any book worth banning is a book worth reading"
I disagree. I think , it depends when, where and under which sircumstances they were banned, and what are the interests of a particular reader.
Hexenhammer, Mein Kampf, Bible, all the queer tolerance promotion books.
Are they really WORTH reading now by everyone, because they are/were banned somewhere?
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I think so, (especially christians, actually reading bible  my pet peeve grudge living in america).
Because if it was banned, it has content people don't want out. it's worth reading to see what that content is.
It's just a book, if the words worry enough people that enough can get together to ban it. It's worth knowing what that is.
Like I am ALL For everyone reading all the abrahamic religion books. All have been banned somewhere. And understanding where those that follow it come from (and so those that follow it actually know what it says). Knowing what it actually contains would go a loooong way to cure ignorance and misquoting the parts, both for and against, agendas and religious causes.
If anything is big enough to be banned, its big enough to educate and see why it was banned.
You dont read it for entertainment, you read it for context. Otherwise you are taking other peoples word on what it says, and why you are not allowed to see what it said.
Someone else should not dictate if I can handle looking at words in a particular order on dead tree sheets.
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| |DXWarlock wrote: | | Because if it was banned, it has content people don't want out. it's worth reading to see what that content is. |
That really depends on what kind of people we are talking. Are these folks considered
smart by the potential readers,
having still relevant views,
having views so strict, that they carpet ban just about anything.
It's like with tastes. If someone doesn't like the taste of certain foods, doesn't mean everyone learning about that preference should definitely taste those products.
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vurt
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Totally agree. There's also so much BS coming out that's just pure trolling or even done as a "how can we make it get banned in X and Y to get headlines and sell even more books?"
It's like that SP episode of Garrison going all in with gayness (to get cancelled). All the grown ups gets angry at the kids for wanting him gone, that is until they actually see him for what he's doing and they're like "oh, this we absolutely don't want!"
it's not like a ban is doing much, you can always just order it if it's that interesting, or download it. i'm absolutely not for banning books though, it's like living in a islamist country lol, fuck no.
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