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| Posted: Mon, 19th Sep 2011 02:25 Post subject: |
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Hah, Pudge has the TF2 Sniper voice actor. Really liking the voices.
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| Posted: Mon, 19th Sep 2011 08:53 Post subject: ***** |
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| Posted: Mon, 19th Sep 2011 09:24 Post subject: |
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how different is dota2 going to be compared to say league of legends, as that the only game similar tot his that i have played.
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| Posted: Mon, 19th Sep 2011 12:13 Post subject: |
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Faster, mainly. And then there's little gameplay changes, but the main difference is the speed.
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| Posted: Mon, 19th Sep 2011 12:44 Post subject: |
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| Otataral wrote: | | how different is dota2 going to be compared to say league of legends, as that the only game similar tot his that i have played. |
If you pefer LoL over HoN you won't like DotA2 either.
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| Posted: Mon, 19th Sep 2011 12:46 Post subject: |
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| m3th0d2008 wrote: | | Otataral wrote: | | how different is dota2 going to be compared to say league of legends, as that the only game similar tot his that i have played. |
If you pefer LoL over HoN you won't like DotA2 either. |
I played dota for years, even tho i still eventually switched to LoL rather then HoN, and i will be playing dota2 aswell 
Sorry to crack your little theory 
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| Posted: Mon, 19th Sep 2011 13:25 Post subject: |
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LoL is for baby nabs, Dota is for skilled men, basically.
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| Posted: Mon, 19th Sep 2011 13:26 Post subject: |
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saying you will " switch" doesnt mean you will last..
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| Posted: Mon, 19th Sep 2011 13:30 Post subject: |
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Guess people are too busy trying to be smartasses then to actually read the whole post.
| sausje wrote: | I played dota for years, even tho i still eventually switched to LoL rather then HoN, and i will be playing dota2 aswell
Sorry to crack your little theory |
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| Posted: Mon, 19th Sep 2011 13:39 Post subject: |
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| locke89 wrote: | | LoL is for baby nabs, Dota is for skilled men, basically. |
Who cares. If they develop proper matchmaking I will be matched against other noobs. I never played DotA/HoN and only played about 10 matches in LoL so far, so I am complete newbie.
Similar as Starcraft 2 when it came out it was my first strategy game ever that I played online and eventually I got into silver league (without playing cheese). I still lose most of my 1v1 games, yet I am still enjoying myself when I play it.
I bet there are lot of players like me who will play this game for the first time and will suck at it. But hey it's all fine if the game is fun.
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| Posted: Mon, 19th Sep 2011 15:10 Post subject: |
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Don't be put off most of the dota/hon even lol playerbase are morons that think because they watch some pro videos they're some uber skill pro players that rage over anything possible but likely most will never have the skill level to match their ego.
Just play for fun if you enjoy the game and mute all the muppets.
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| Posted: Mon, 19th Sep 2011 15:24 Post subject: |
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| beets wrote: | Don't be put off most of the dota/hon even lol playerbase are morons that think because they watch some pro videos they're some uber skill pro players that rage over anything possible but likely most will never have the skill level to match their ego.
Just play for fun if you enjoy the game and mute all the muppets. |
Indeed couldnt said it better myself.
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| Posted: Mon, 19th Sep 2011 16:15 Post subject: |
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"DOTA_NewPlayerQuestion_Title" "WELCOME TO DOTA 2!"
"DOTA_NewPlayerQuestion_Question" "PLEASE SELECT YOUR LEVEL OF FAMILIARITY WITH DOTA:"
"DOTA_NewPlayerQuestion_NewbieButton" "New"
"DOTA_NewPlayerQuestion_NewbieText" "You have a limited understanding of games like Dota. In your games players will be restricted to playing only those heroes that are easiest to understand, and levels will be auto-balanced."
"DOTA_NewPlayerQuestion_FamiliarButton" "Familiar"
"DOTA_NewPlayerQuestion_FamiliarText" "You have a good idea how Dota works - you might be a little rusty but are ready to jump in."
"DOTA_NewPlayerQuestion_ExperiencedButton" "Experienced"
"DOTA_NewPlayerQuestion_ExperiencedText" "You play games like Dota regularly and don’t need any instruction. Selecting this will make you less likely to be in hero restricted games with auto-balancing."
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~
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| Posted: Mon, 19th Sep 2011 19:31 Post subject: |
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I'm looking forward to checking this out, but I'll say one thing about the MOBA games... Don't bother playing if you don't want to put in some time to learn. I've been playing LoL for over a year now, have probably played 2k+ games and still am average at best. While not on the same level as SC2 in the skill dept, these games are not very casual or noob friendly if you go online. Because they are so team oriented, expect to get yelled at if you screw up. Just being a tad out of position at the wrong time can cost your team the entire game.
Considering LoL is pretty hard core compared to most games, and given the fact that LoL is the most casual friendly of the MOBA games, expect DOTA 2 to be full of hard core, raging elitists. I'm definitely looking forward to trying it out, but I know my skills aren't going to be up to par, despite having quite a bit of experience in LoL.
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| Posted: Mon, 19th Sep 2011 22:32 Post subject: |
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My opinion about MOBA players is simple: those who can't handle an RTS, like sc or age2 or sc2, go and play something like Dota - and spam 10 times for every move order, and then they think they are good, because they have 200 APM. Truth be told, I have a very lowly opinion of games like Dota, and it's no wonder, I don't personally know anyone above 16, who plays it. Full of ragers and whiners, worst online PC communities after WoW and CoD. CSS has a better community.
I also blame the makeup of the game, it's all about killing others, and not only do they die, they know that now they're behind, they lost gold, they have to wait... etc. Lot of pressure, and full of people waiting to blame others for their own failures.
I play sc2 mostly for my multiplayer fix, being high diamond means I very, very rarely run in to people with temper problems, and most of the team games I play are civilized, and I don't run in to taunting/raging/griefing. This is all with random people, too.
In HoN, I didn't play one single game, not one single game, where people didn't start throwing out insults in the very first few minutes. People, who didn't even play that well educating others, while they racked up the deaths.
I'm never touching a MOBA game in my life, unless they radically change some design elements.
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| Posted: Mon, 19th Sep 2011 22:45 Post subject: |
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| Vulgarr wrote: | I'm looking forward to checking this out, but I'll say one thing about the MOBA games... Don't bother playing if you don't want to put in some time to learn. I've been playing LoL for over a year now, have probably played 2k+ games and still am average at best. While not on the same level as SC2 in the skill dept, these games are not very casual or noob friendly if you go online. Because they are so team oriented, expect to get yelled at if you screw up. Just being a tad out of position at the wrong time can cost your team the entire game.
Considering LoL is pretty hard core compared to most games, and given the fact that LoL is the most casual friendly of the MOBA games, expect DOTA 2 to be full of hard core, raging elitists. I'm definitely looking forward to trying it out, but I know my skills aren't going to be up to par, despite having quite a bit of experience in LoL. |
Thing is I am not worried about being yelled at, as I'll most likely stay calm, ignore their insults and carry on. What is important is that game should teach me about all important mechanics so I can evaluate my performance myself and know what/when I did wrong, so I can improve next time. Since the teammates aren't able to provide any feedback and criticize what I did wrong in mannerly fashion, I can't really rely on their feedback to improve. And rather than reading wikis about the game I'd rather play the game and learn from my mistakes.
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| Posted: Mon, 19th Sep 2011 22:56 Post subject: |
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| Radicalus wrote: | I play sc2 mostly for my multiplayer fix, being high diamond means I very, very rarely run in to people with temper problems, and most of the team games I play are civilized, and I don't run in to taunting/raging/griefing. This is all with random people, too.
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Being high Diamond has nothing to do with it, people in grandmasters even rage and throw bullshit towards you for every little thing that doesnt suit them.
Perfect example, Idra and combatez
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| Posted: Mon, 19th Sep 2011 23:04 Post subject: |
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Nice and short sighted Radicalus.
Those that give a shit about their APM in one of these games suck balls anyway. It's also not surprising there's a lot of angry teenagers, as it's so accessible. What you describe there with the "high diamond" is exactly what happens when you play with/against people who have a clue in DotA/HoN just the same. Aside from that, you're comparing apples to oranges, while these games started as mods for RTS's you can hardly call them that anymore. They have more in common with RPG's than with RTS's.
Oh well, guess I'm just too stupid for RTS, must be why I like DotA/HoN. Even though I played AoE2 and CoH to death.
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| Posted: Mon, 19th Sep 2011 23:17 Post subject: |
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| sausje wrote: | | Radicalus wrote: | I play sc2 mostly for my multiplayer fix, being high diamond means I very, very rarely run in to people with temper problems, and most of the team games I play are civilized, and I don't run in to taunting/raging/griefing. This is all with random people, too.
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Being high Diamond has nothing to do with it, people in grandmasters even rage and throw bullshit towards you for every little thing that doesnt suit them.
Perfect example, Idra and combatez |
Ok, but most people are not like Idra, heck, I watch some casts, most of the top tier players are genuinely nice.
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| Posted: Mon, 19th Sep 2011 23:30 Post subject: |
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| Werelds wrote: | Nice and short sighted Radicalus.
Those that give a shit about their APM in one of these games suck balls anyway. It's also not surprising there's a lot of angry teenagers, as it's so accessible. What you describe there with the "high diamond" is exactly what happens when you play with/against people who have a clue in DotA/HoN just the same. Aside from that, you're comparing apples to oranges, while these games started as mods for RTS's you can hardly call them that anymore. They have more in common with RPG's than with RTS's.
Oh well, guess I'm just too stupid for RTS, must be why I like DotA/HoN. Even though I played AoE2 and CoH to death. |
Don't take it as a personal insult, i'm generalizing, and stemming from my personal experience, these are logical conclusions. Back in the Dota days my hardcore friends got me in a high tier clan, and we played some matches, that were kind of on the level a high-diamond match would be in sc2, that is to say a match between people belonging to the top 25% of the playerbase. The games were atrocious, I've seen "friends" degenerate into animals, the way they shifted blame on one another. This is due to game design, you are attached to that single one unit, and when that get hurts, you get hurt, you get penalized, and not only do you know, that you just made the enemy stronger, you also have a lot of time contemplating.
Call me shortshighted all you want, at the end of the day we make conclusions based on our subjective experience, and my experience states, that these MOBA games have atrocious communities.
That's one, here's the second part:
RTS games are way more complex, I don't think I have to argue about this, sometimes in sc2, you have a battle going on in 2-3 places, and in each of those places there are units, that you have to micro as well as you would your hero in HoN or Dota, and then you still have to focus on your macro as well. I'd say mastering an RTS takes way more dedication, and most importantly intellect and multitasking capacity, than mastering a MOBA game. High level RTS play is all about multitasking, first it has to be conceptualized in your head, you have to keep track of many things, many timings, then you have to have execution in micro, that surpasses that of the control of one unit.
And perhaps most importantly, the only way to get ahead in an RTS, aside from mechanics, is if you learn from your own mistakes, and you can do that in three crucial steps: admit it's your fault, that you lost (I'd say about 90% of MOBA players fail right here) then second keep a cool, rational head to find and understand your mistak, and third modify your playstyle consciously.
But to sum it up, a game like age2 and sc2 are strategies, mechanics will only get you so far, from there, you need creativity, initiative and reasoning and spacial reasoning skills to do well, while most MOBA games, you can get very far with just mechanics.
I think it's safe to conclude, that a game like SC2 requires more "skill" so to say, than a MOBA game, but does that mean skilled/smart people won't play MOBA type games? No.
BUT it does mean people will gravitate towards MOBA games, because people usually take the path of least resistance. I bet my balls, that there are more kids in HoN or Dota, than there are in sc2. Also, more derps.
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| Posted: Tue, 20th Sep 2011 01:44 Post subject: |
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| Radicalus wrote: | | Werelds wrote: | Nice and short sighted Radicalus.
Those that give a shit about their APM in one of these games suck balls anyway. It's also not surprising there's a lot of angry teenagers, as it's so accessible. What you describe there with the "high diamond" is exactly what happens when you play with/against people who have a clue in DotA/HoN just the same. Aside from that, you're comparing apples to oranges, while these games started as mods for RTS's you can hardly call them that anymore. They have more in common with RPG's than with RTS's.
Oh well, guess I'm just too stupid for RTS, must be why I like DotA/HoN. Even though I played AoE2 and CoH to death. |
Don't take it as a personal insult, i'm generalizing, and stemming from my personal experience, these are logical conclusions. Back in the Dota days my hardcore friends got me in a high tier clan, and we played some matches, that were kind of on the level a high-diamond match would be in sc2, that is to say a match between people belonging to the top 25% of the playerbase. The games were atrocious, I've seen "friends" degenerate into animals, the way they shifted blame on one another. This is due to game design, you are attached to that single one unit, and when that get hurts, you get hurt, you get penalized, and not only do you know, that you just made the enemy stronger, you also have a lot of time contemplating.
Call me shortshighted all you want, at the end of the day we make conclusions based on our subjective experience, and my experience states, that these MOBA games have atrocious communities.
That's one, here's the second part:
RTS games are way more complex, I don't think I have to argue about this, sometimes in sc2, you have a battle going on in 2-3 places, and in each of those places there are units, that you have to micro as well as you would your hero in HoN or Dota, and then you still have to focus on your macro as well. I'd say mastering an RTS takes way more dedication, and most importantly intellect and multitasking capacity, than mastering a MOBA game. High level RTS play is all about multitasking, first it has to be conceptualized in your head, you have to keep track of many things, many timings, then you have to have execution in micro, that surpasses that of the control of one unit.
And perhaps most importantly, the only way to get ahead in an RTS, aside from mechanics, is if you learn from your own mistakes, and you can do that in three crucial steps: admit it's your fault, that you lost (I'd say about 90% of MOBA players fail right here) then second keep a cool, rational head to find and understand your mistak, and third modify your playstyle consciously.
But to sum it up, a game like age2 and sc2 are strategies, mechanics will only get you so far, from there, you need creativity, initiative and reasoning and spacial reasoning skills to do well, while most MOBA games, you can get very far with just mechanics.
I think it's safe to conclude, that a game like SC2 requires more "skill" so to say, than a MOBA game, but does that mean skilled/smart people won't play MOBA type games? No.
BUT it does mean people will gravitate towards MOBA games, because people usually take the path of least resistance. I bet my balls, that there are more kids in HoN or Dota, than there are in sc2. Also, more derps. |
It could well be because both of them are basically F2P.
Comparing the supposed "skill" required for a RTS/ARTS..  We get it, your game is the one that requires the most skill. Since "it's safe to assume" for you, I'll let you have that and won't go into a pointless and too long an exchange. You make it sound like it's "easy" for a RTS player to rock in ARTS, since it's all mechanics ( how can you say that, when you've supposedly played at "high-level" ? I will never know, lol ), but I've seen many good RTS players utterly fail in ARTS. Go figure.
It had been a long while since I've seen this RTS vs ARTS superiority complex crap.. Can't say I've missed it.
Yes, flaming is a blatant issue in ARTS games. In SC2, it's a minor issue, for sure, it's mainly 1v1. Only mere idiots would dare flame their opponents for their loss. In any other team game, the problem is exactly the same as in any ARTS. There are a lot of kids, that's one main reason. And you can be pretty damn sure that Valve/IceFrog realized this as one of the biggest problems they have to solve, fast.
I trust them in organizing a proper system for this, both punishing and rewarding. They hinted that.
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| Posted: Tue, 20th Sep 2011 02:22 Post subject: |
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| TheZor wrote: |
It could well be because both of them are basically F2P.
Comparing the supposed "skill" required for a RTS/ARTS.. We get it, your game is the one that requires the most skill. Since "it's safe to assume" for you, I'll let you have that and won't go into a pointless and too long an exchange. You make it sound like it's "easy" for a RTS player to rock in ARTS, since it's all mechanics ( how can you say that, when you've supposedly played at "high-level" ? I will never know, lol ), but I've seen many good RTS players utterly fail in ARTS. Go figure.
It had been a long while since I've seen this RTS vs ARTS superiority complex crap.. Can't say I've missed it.
Yes, flaming is a blatant issue in ARTS games. In SC2, it's a minor issue, for sure, it's mainly 1v1. Only mere idiots would dare flame their opponents for their loss. In any other team game, the problem is exactly the same as in any ARTS. There are a lot of kids, that's one main reason. And you can be pretty damn sure that Valve/IceFrog realized this as one of the biggest problems they have to solve, fast.
I trust them in organizing a proper system for this, both punishing and rewarding. They hinted that. |
Why would you assume, that I argue beside sc2 because I happen to be better than average at it, and not because I rationally think, that in comparison to MOBAs it does indeed require more of a player on higher levels? I did enumerate my reasons with the least amount of irony possible, yet you respond with an assumption of me having a superiority complex, but at the same time you continue to avoid actually trying to argue with the points I made, even stating you don't wish to get in a lengthy discussion about it.
Also, let me point out a couple of straw men you made:
1. I never said I played it at high level, I said I played matches, where people belonging to the top 25% attended. I'm about at the same level at sc2, like I was with Dota (only with way more effort put in it).
2. I also never said, that it's easy for an RTS player to rock an ARTS, that's nowhere near what I said.
I play mostly team games, namely 3v3 in SC2, and I often play with random people, and yet in a year of playing, I had it happen to me about 5 time tops, that I was incorrectly blamed for a loss. So it's not the same in all team games, far from it.
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| Posted: Tue, 20th Sep 2011 02:29 Post subject: |
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One last thing, to be fair, I could sum up the core difference between a MOBA and an RTS with the analogy of tactics vs. strategy.
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| Posted: Tue, 20th Sep 2011 02:58 Post subject: |
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I've actually only played LoL cause friends of mine got me into it. I havent tried HoN so i havent picked one over the other.
So besides some small changes, the speed is the biggest one? not bad.
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