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| Posted: Mon, 5th Sep 2011 17:45 Post subject: |
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Brendan McNamara, the dude who ran Team Bondi into the ground and spent several years abusing his staff.
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| Posted: Mon, 5th Sep 2011 17:46 Post subject: |
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Sin317
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| Posted: Mon, 5th Sep 2011 18:07 Post subject: |
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there, i heard someone say it, i wont tell you who, but its reliable ...
discuss this ...
Lutzifer: you should know better. I edited it out. You made your point, please no more flamebaiting...
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WaldoJ
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| Posted: Mon, 5th Sep 2011 18:39 Post subject: |
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if you're talented you will always find a job.
if you're talented and a pussy who takes it up the ass every day, then it's your own fault and you shouldn't complain.
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Lutzifer
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| Posted: Mon, 5th Sep 2011 19:00 Post subject: |
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lack of good management / good leadership can make the working conditions really shitty (and may create burn-out in individuals who are highly self-motivated, as are a lot people in the games industry, because they love the shit they create) and there is no excuse for that in this day and age.
also, whistleblowing always needs anonymity and all the business leaks of bad practice in the gaming industry came from anon-blogs.
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| Posted: Tue, 6th Sep 2011 13:20 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Tue, 6th Sep 2011 15:51 Post subject: |
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No surprise here, the CEO is a Turkish scumbag afterall.
(Temp banned by Invasor)
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| Posted: Tue, 6th Sep 2011 16:49 Post subject: |
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I'm going to call you racist afterall.
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| Posted: Tue, 6th Sep 2011 17:47 Post subject: |
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I believe the electronic entertainment industry has been given loose reins for too long. Basically it's a new industry and what lawmakers doesn't understand they try not to have too much an opinion about, at least not until they do. It's also only recently - relatively speaking - that the industry moved from amateur to professional. Today you have schools that teaches how to become a game-dev. Back in the day you had the local nerd sitting in his mothers basement writing pages of code (stereotype I know but I've seen it myself). There's also grown a kind of widespread industry culture that says that unpayed overtime, double workweeks and so on is part of a developers norm and what can be expected if you want to work in the industry. This is of course bullshit.
It's time the industry grows up and start respecting worker rights. This isn't the 1850's. It's not like the big publishers can't afford it. All those illegal overtime hours are doing nothing but lining people like Kotick's pockets. Most of those developers working in the sweat-shop is growned up now. They have families themselves and will probably take whatever work they can find. Sometimes - and when you're getting close to a release date - you have to work more than the average workweek. It's the same in many industries, like eg in shipyards. You don't have to break the law to finish a product. Neither do you have to exloit your workers to make a profit.
Historically speaking all new industries has some teething problems. It took a long time until people got proper rights after the industrial revolution. People were exploited for a long time paving the way for ideologists like Marx. It's about time local goverments cracked down on irregularities. I know they're widespread. Even in my country which has a small game industry has had several cases.
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| Posted: Tue, 6th Sep 2011 17:58 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Tue, 6th Sep 2011 18:52 Post subject: |
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| H4wkeye wrote: | | No surprise here, the CEO is a Turkish scumbag afterall. |
What has anything got to do with him being Turkish? Please explain.
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| Posted: Tue, 6th Sep 2011 21:55 Post subject: |
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I remember Adrian Chmielarz (the guy from People Can Fly; author of Bulletstorm and Painkiller) said in one of his interviews, that Naughty Dog were crunching for a year or so in order to finish Uncharted 2 within the given 2 year time limit.
I believe crunch time is inevitable in today's game development industry. It's not possible anymore to make AAA game within 2 years without abusing staff's working hours.
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Hierofan
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| Posted: Tue, 6th Sep 2011 22:21 Post subject: |
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Yeah, but in the old days people did this because they chose (more or less) to, Valve did this with Half-Life, when they (Kelly Bailey & John Guthrie) did the Plast Pit level (in one whole weekend), but they never speak of the crunching period as a do or die thing like today's game industry.
It's all about management and motivation, if you're griding the shit out your employees without giving then anything (not necesarilly material things aka money) in exchange it's only your fault if it all fails miserably.
Thief pretty much had the same fucked up production as most AAA games have today.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thief:_The_Dark_Project
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| Posted: Wed, 7th Sep 2011 04:47 Post subject: |
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I thought this thread was going to be about Poland
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garus
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| Posted: Wed, 7th Sep 2011 09:31 Post subject: |
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Slizza
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| Posted: Wed, 7th Sep 2011 09:47 Post subject: |
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the whips need cracked or 3d realms happens.
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| Posted: Wed, 7th Sep 2011 12:21 Post subject: |
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This isn't really anything new. EA also dealt with a massive lawsuit a few years back for unethical business practices and employee abuse (they have since cleaned up their act and have actually become somewhat of a leader in employee treatment), NCSoft attempted to bilk Richard Garriot out of his intellectual property rights on Tabula Rasa while he was in motherfucking SPACE and there's also the high-profile conflict between the two (I can't remember their names off the top of my head) devs that founded Sledgehammer Games and Infinity Ward. Sony's also got a pretty shitty record when it comes to employee treatment. I've heard plenty of horror stories from people that worked for Sony's offices in San Francisco.
Thankfully I've only been involved with a smaller studio where the CEO was rarely more than 30 feet away, so I've never had much trouble myself, but I've known people who have. This can be a pretty big issue in just about any creative industry, as well. I understand Dreamworks had some trouble with the same thing.
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| Posted: Wed, 7th Sep 2011 17:15 Post subject: |
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I just love how these days anonymous sources are treated like "meh, he's trolling/lying for his own benefit/any other god damn random reason"
Now just imagine how Watergate would've gone down if people had said "meh, anonymous source? Unrealiable."
Just a thought.
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| Posted: Wed, 7th Sep 2011 17:22 Post subject: |
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Watergate scandal involved physical proof.
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| Posted: Wed, 7th Sep 2011 17:25 Post subject: |
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| fawe4 wrote: | | Watergate scandal involved physical proof. |
My argument stands nonetheless. There has to either be a bit of trust or suspension of doubt involved.
I'm not saying people are supposed to take everything some anonymous person says at face value but neither should those people be tossed aside as untrustworthy.
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| Posted: Wed, 7th Sep 2011 17:49 Post subject: |
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| Reklis wrote: | | I just love how these days anonymous sources are treated like "meh, he's trolling/lying for his own benefit/any other god damn random reason" |
I on the other hand love how these anonymous sources are treated like "OMG must be so true".
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As for "better and more reliable sources" - I think you've missed a pretty big point yourself; anonymity has to be maintained otherwise these people, who were fired/mistreated, wouldn't be trusted in the industry any more either. It's all about protecting yourself. Or people that still work at companies speaking out against unfair treatment, do you want THEM to name themselves before you'll accept the source?
